From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/19730 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Idris Samawi Hamid Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: RE: Open Type trickery [was Re: Encoding and mapping glyphs from an expert font Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:31:00 -0600 Message-ID: <426E1473@webmail.colostate.edu> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113154142 22744 80.91.229.2 (10 Apr 2005 17:29:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Apr 10 19:28:57 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DKgEP-00038d-1A for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:28:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7288A12804; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:31:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19404-02; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:31:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A1E127BB; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:31:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F77127BB for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:31:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 19211-06 for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:31:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from eagle.colostate.edu (eagle.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.90]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CAD1279E for ; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 19:31:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lamar.colostate.edu (lamar.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.75]) by eagle.colostate.edu (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id j3AHV0S1189760; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:31:00 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail.colostate.edu (csunts4.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.135]) by lamar.colostate.edu (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id j3AHUpH609078; Sun, 10 Apr 2005 11:30:51 -0600 X-WebMail-UserID: ishamid Original-To: "Adam Lindsay" , mailing list for ConTeXt users X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002247, 00002264 X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:19730 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:19730 >===== Original Message From "Adam Lindsay" ===== >Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:27:21 -0600: >>While we will still need huge fonts, the processing of complicated accents >>should be much faster with the approach I have in mind (smaller otp's and >>ovf's). >It sounds a bit tricky with the eTeX line, because of the 256-character- >per-TeX-font limit. Aleph gives us 64,000-characters/font plus etex so that's not a problem. But with some font/otp creativity we can still get some rather small fonts (compared to the 10,000-character ovfs I'm using now...) >Not necessarily impossible, but certainly >contortionate. I'm led to think about XeTeX--a fair number of people on >the list are happy with the AAT/OpenType support they get with some very >sophisticated Arabic fonts. If you can have one of your friends send me some pdf samples, that would be nice. I am especially interested in accent handling over ligatures. OTOH, I have yet to see a normal Arabic-script font with a full accent palette plus a very complete set of ligatures (except mine of course->) Yes, there are certainly some (outrageously expensive) Mac programs that come with really beautiful and complete calligraphy Arabic fonts; I'll have to have a look at those one day... >And when you consider the educational price >of a Mac mini, you're still way below the price of some software >packages... :) I'll look into it (Hans made a similar suggestion to me a few days ago), though my own goal with my Arabic-script package is platform independence. OTOH, aleph has much better bidi/large font/transcription support than pdfetex. Maybe I will come to a TeX conference and lobby for integration of these two. Then all will be well in the world... Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523