Re: Fleurons

[Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>]

Staszek Wawrykiewicz wrote:

>   AFM and PFM files are supplied here for the sake of
>   completeness only.  They are normally not required for use
>   with TeX.

this is not true, you need the afm's when you use them to make graphics in other 
progs that will then be used by tex; also, you need them in order to generate 
metrics for encodings other than teh shipped ones

> In fact, nobody knows how the *old* mess with tfm, vf etc. fits
> to more *new* urw pfb which are of better quality then the older ones. 
> Anyway both distributions cannot be mixed. Not to say about packaging, etc.
> So I introduced "urw35vf" (#3416) which contains all (historical) stuff
> for those using urw fonts directly (.vf, .tfm, .fd, .sty files).
> Everybody has freedom using them from TL. Thomas removed such stuff
> from teTeX as simply garbage.

he's free to do that but it sounds strange and dangerous to me

>>Meanwhile, the afm and pfb are under just urw/.  It seems odd, though I
>>can imagine how it could happen.
> 
> 
> ??? Everything is OK: fonts/afm/urw/ and fonts/type1/urw/
> 
> 
>>Clearly the URW fonts are not 100% identical to the Adobe fonts, but in
>>practice we have to accept the URW Type 1's under the p* names, because
>>the p* names are what most documents have historically used.  We can't
>>suddenly make those documents unusable, that would be disastrous.

indeed, so we should ship duplicates

>>For that matter, the Adobe fonts themselves have changed over the
>>years.  Nothing is perfect.
>  
> Right.

sure, but we can try to reach robustness by redundancy

>>    but context (users) expect the whole set of urw (afm & pfb) to be
>>    present because they generate other encodings and such;
>>
>>uzdr.afm and uzdr.pfb are both in the current TL sources, and always
>>have been.  I know of no reason or suggestion to delete them.
>  
> They are as well present in teTeX. 
>  
>>  i think that we need to get rid of the urw mappings in the aliases file
>>
>>I agree.  I have now deleted the aliases file altogether from the TL
>>sources.  We'll see how that flies.  I don't know if that will change
>>anything wrt gwTeX, though.
>  
> Ahh, I see! aliases could cause problems. Thanks for deleting that file.

-)

Hans

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