From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/20627 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: Fleurons Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:10:09 +0200 Message-ID: <429E3241.8030603@wxs.nl> References: Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1117667286 28716 80.91.229.2 (1 Jun 2005 23:08:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl, Jerzy.Ludwichowski@uni.torun.pl, v.r.w.Schaa@gsi.de, Karl Berry Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Jun 02 01:08:03 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DdcJ2-0006F2-6m for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 01:07:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C2212804; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:10:23 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29199-02-6; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:10:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6CE1281D; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:10:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AC812801 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:10:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29199-02-4 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:10:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailrun01.solcon.nl (maillb.solcon.nl [212.45.32.200]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EE412804 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 01:10:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from server-1.pragma-net.nl (dsl-212-84-128-085.solcon.nl [212.84.128.85]) by mailrelay01.solcon.nl (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j51M9fDb008313; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:09:41 +0200 Original-Received: by server-1.pragma-net.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 50BF91FC55; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:40:15 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.53] (unknown [10.100.1.53]) by server-1.pragma-net.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15AD1FC3C; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:40:13 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: Staszek Wawrykiewicz In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on mailrelay01 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:20627 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:20627 Staszek Wawrykiewicz wrote: > AFM and PFM files are supplied here for the sake of > completeness only. They are normally not required for use > with TeX. this is not true, you need the afm's when you use them to make graphics in other progs that will then be used by tex; also, you need them in order to generate metrics for encodings other than teh shipped ones > In fact, nobody knows how the *old* mess with tfm, vf etc. fits > to more *new* urw pfb which are of better quality then the older ones. > Anyway both distributions cannot be mixed. Not to say about packaging, etc. > So I introduced "urw35vf" (#3416) which contains all (historical) stuff > for those using urw fonts directly (.vf, .tfm, .fd, .sty files). > Everybody has freedom using them from TL. Thomas removed such stuff > from teTeX as simply garbage. he's free to do that but it sounds strange and dangerous to me >>Meanwhile, the afm and pfb are under just urw/. It seems odd, though I >>can imagine how it could happen. > > > ??? Everything is OK: fonts/afm/urw/ and fonts/type1/urw/ > > >>Clearly the URW fonts are not 100% identical to the Adobe fonts, but in >>practice we have to accept the URW Type 1's under the p* names, because >>the p* names are what most documents have historically used. We can't >>suddenly make those documents unusable, that would be disastrous. indeed, so we should ship duplicates >>For that matter, the Adobe fonts themselves have changed over the >>years. Nothing is perfect. > > Right. sure, but we can try to reach robustness by redundancy >> but context (users) expect the whole set of urw (afm & pfb) to be >> present because they generate other encodings and such; >> >>uzdr.afm and uzdr.pfb are both in the current TL sources, and always >>have been. I know of no reason or suggestion to delete them. > > They are as well present in teTeX. > >> i think that we need to get rid of the urw mappings in the aliases file >> >>I agree. I have now deleted the aliases file altogether from the TL >>sources. We'll see how that flies. I don't know if that will change >>anything wrt gwTeX, though. > > Ahh, I see! aliases could cause problems. Thanks for deleting that file. -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------