From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/19569 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Idris Samawi Hamid Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: RE: chancery font Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:40:53 -0600 Message-ID: <42AE6611@webmail.colostate.edu> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1112557187 3262 80.91.229.2 (3 Apr 2005 19:39:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Thomas A.Schmitz" Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Apr 03 21:39:42 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DIAwP-0002yy-Qb for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Apr 2005 21:39:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2962128F7; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:41:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04158-02-3; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:41:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2794D128EC; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:41:03 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23759128EC for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:41:02 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ronja.vet.uu.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04158-02-2 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:41:01 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from eagle.colostate.edu (eagle.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.90]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B1C128E3 for ; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 21:41:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lamar.colostate.edu (lamar.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.75]) by eagle.colostate.edu (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id j33JesS1583470; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:40:54 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail.colostate.edu (csunts4.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.135]) by lamar.colostate.edu (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id j33JerH457238; Sun, 3 Apr 2005 13:40:53 -0600 X-WebMail-UserID: ishamid Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users , Paul Tremblay X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002247, 00002264 X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:19569 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:19569 Hi guys, Ok, I certainly did _not_ intend to start a flame war, was just dreaming out loud:-)) >===== Original Message From Paul Tremblay ===== >I think you can achieve the same thing with a well-written shell script, >which can be interactive and can test all sorts of variables. Wouldn't a >shell script do the job you want? I mean, imagine the best, most fancy >gui you can, one that does everything you want with fonts. Now just >imagine the same program in an ugly shell that would do the same thing, >with the same interaction, and wouldn't that do the trick? Something one could run from e.g. a WinEDT or SciTe gui shell would be fine (for now->) >===== Original Message From "Thomas A.Schmitz" ===== >First: fonts are a complex business, and when you >venture outside of the normal Western character range, things start to >get really messy (I speak from experience I have even more difficult issues with Arabic;-) >To be honest: in my >personal opinion (and this is a very personal opinion), die-hard GUI >users who just loathe the command line should not be using TeX. Hmm, seems we've heard the same comment about Linux in the pre-KDE days:-) Seriously, there is room in the TeX world for a creative gui approach, and ConTeXt would be a much better candidate than LaTeX for that to work. Yes, this is just a dream for now... In the future, maybe many years from now, someone may design a well-thought-out gui interface for the ConTeXt of the future. I for one would buy it... >In a way, >the current state puts a gentle, but firm sign on font handling saying >"This might be a bit difficult. Be warned!" Firm, perhaps, but I don't know about "gentle":-)) But Paul's idea of an interactive shell script is practical and I'll shut up for awhile... Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523