RE: chancery font

RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

>===== Original Message From ciro@kavyata.com =====
>Idris,
>thank you very much for your explanations... they are very helpful.

I'm happy 2 b of help, although I'm basically just packaging things that Hans, 
Adam, and others have said over the last month

>BTW, how do you use a ttf font directly in context?

There was a thread on TimesNewRoman that I started a few weeks ago that has 
the details. Check out the archives on pragma. Basically, its exactly the same 
as the Garamond procedure except that you do not use any afm files; just the 
ttf files. Also, Hans has provided a way to just access the windows font 
directory; me, I used a temp dir like before. Look at that thread...

Best
Idris

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Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

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RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi guys,

Ok, I certainly did _not_ intend to start a flame war, was just dreaming out 
loud:-))

>===== Original Message From Paul Tremblay <phthenry@iglou.com> =====

<snip>

>I think you can achieve the same thing with a well-written shell script,
>which can be interactive and can test all sorts of variables. Wouldn't a
>shell script do the job you want? I mean, imagine the best, most fancy
>gui you can, one that does everything you want with fonts. Now just
>imagine the same program in an ugly shell that would do the same thing,
>with the same interaction, and wouldn't that do the trick?

Something one could run from e.g. a WinEDT or SciTe gui shell would be fine 
(for now->)

>===== Original Message From "Thomas A.Schmitz" <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> 
=====

>First: fonts are a complex business, and when you
>venture outside of the normal Western character range, things start to
>get really messy (I speak from experience

I have even more difficult issues with Arabic;-)

>To be honest: in my
>personal opinion (and this is a very personal opinion), die-hard GUI
>users who just loathe the command line should not be using TeX.

Hmm, seems we've heard the same comment about Linux in the pre-KDE days:-) 
Seriously, there is room in the TeX world for a creative gui approach, and 
ConTeXt would be a much better candidate than LaTeX for that to work. Yes, 
this is just a dream for now...

In the future, maybe many years from now, someone may design a 
well-thought-out gui interface for the ConTeXt of the future. I for one would 
buy it...

>In a way,
>the current state puts a gentle, but firm sign on font handling saying
>"This might be a bit difficult. Be warned!"

Firm, perhaps, but I don't know about "gentle":-))

But Paul's idea of an interactive shell script is practical and I'll shut up 
for awhile...

Best
Idris

============================
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

Re: chancery font

[Paul Tremblay]

On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 01:40:53PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> Ok, I certainly did _not_ intend to start a flame war, was just dreaming out 
> loud:-))

I know! I hope my tone didn't come across as harsh or accusatory.

Paul

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Re: chancery font

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

On Apr 3, 2005, at 9:40 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Ok, I certainly did _not_ intend to start a flame war, was just 
> dreaming out
> loud:-))
Idris,

no flame war intended! I know that we have very similar interests (btw: 
how's "critical editions in ConTeXt" doing?), that's why I stated what 
I feel about it. (For the manual: have you looked in your inbox 
lately?)

During the last weeks, I have written a perl script to create an 
automatic encoding vector for ttf (Unicode) fonts with Greek letters. I 
have spent way too much time on it. It works reasonably well, but I 
always have to look at things and correct stuff manually. Font 
designers are too [insert favorite swearword here] to give decent names 
to their glyphs, and since we need those names for the encoding, it's 
hard to make things happen automatically. Fonts claim to follow the 
Unicode standard, but then have glyphs in the wrong place. Some 
designers even modify the standard Adobe names, so you can't even use 
the normal ec or texnansi-encoding.

>
>
> I have even more difficult issues with Arabic;-)
Yeah, I can believe that.
>>
>
> Hmm, seems we've heard the same comment about Linux in the pre-KDE 
> days:-)

Tell you what: I think right now the same is true for linux. As long as 
you're satisfied with the standards some distribution gives you, you 
might get past the CLI. But try to integrate a piece of unusual 
hardware, or modify settings, and presto, you need  the terminal and a 
basic understanding of Unix.

> Seriously, there is room in the TeX world for a creative gui approach, 
> and
> ConTeXt would be a much better candidate than LaTeX for that to work. 
> Yes,
> this is just a dream for now...

Well, let's dream and not take this further. Bedtime over here in 
Europe...

All best

Thomas

RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

>===== Original Message From r.ermers@hccnet.nl, mailing list for ConTeXt 
users <ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====
>Thanks Thomas for the manual. I have already printed it, and cannot wait
>to give it a try.

Which manual??

>In the mean time I welcome any other concrete tips for installing a new
>font, step by step that is.

Someone on this list did this a couple of years ago or more; does anyone 
remember the link to that?

If you recall the earlier postings: my idea
>would be to start with a new font consisting of only one pfb file.

Try the Garamond experiment, then analyze type-ugm in light of the fonts 
manual.

<snip>

>In the end my ideal would be a context which typesets Arabic, Russian
>and Turkish, plus transcription according to a code I developed myself.

For transcription, you can use aleph. By the end of this year or sooner there 
should be a new advanced Arabic-script package. Hopefully, one day aleph will 
be integrated into pdfetex (long term) or at least the aleph-dvipdfmx combo 
will have all of ConTeXt's capabilities (short term).

Best
Idris

============================
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

>===== Original Message From ciro@kavyata.com, mailing list for ConTeXt users 
<ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====
>My problem goes beyond fonts. What I think I need is a simple explanation
>of the TeX-like package system.  For instance:
>
>I see tetex,pdftex,contex, latex,web2c,...and so on, but I don't understand
>their interrelation/dependency.

teTeX, fpTeX, gwTeX, and MiKTeX are os-dependent distrbutions.

LaTeX and ConTeXt are os-independent macropackages.

Web2C is the Pascal-to-C translator that allows compilation of TeX on Unix, 
Windows, etc. /web2c is the directory that contains configuration files and 
os-dependent format files. But I don't know why it's called "/web2c"

>Why the livetex tree is like it is?  What is needed for a context user?

ConTeXt has become so detailed and powerful, and changes so fast, that the 
os-dependent distrbutions can't keep up. I predict that one day ConTeXt will 
be completely independent of TeXLive. Some of the problems many of us have 
been facing ultimately boil down to the growing, but not yet complete, 
independence of ConTeXt from TeXLive. Personally, I think this a good thing, 
because ConTeXt is really a stand-alone system in the final analysis. 
mswincontext.zip is _almost_ there; maybe Hans could use volunteers to build 
and maintain independent Mac and Unix packages a la mswincontext.zip. Then we 
could contribute to a test/torture suite to make sure that everything runs 
identically on all os's. Each of us may have pet issues that concern us (I 
have my aleph work for example, there are fonts, xml, etc).

>What are the steps to upgrade context with a cont-tmf.zip and a texlive2004?
>Would it be possible to create an shell script that automize all this?

I would get the tetex package from pragma, install it in its own tree, define 
your path so that your ConTeXt bin is searched BEFORE TeXLive's, and have your 
shell script initialize your tree (maybe there are instructions in the teTeX 
package). I modified my setuptex.bat so that my ConTeXt tree would search my 
TeXLive tree as well; I suppose you could do the same with setuptex.csh.

>
>Where are fonts registered/stored/mapped/encoded?

There is a document somewhere on the TeX Directory Structure (tds), I think. 
Look in /texmf/doc/tds

>
>Most books on TeX,latex, etc, only explain how to use them, but not
>the 'system administration' part, which must of us have to learn as well.

There is an old book, Making TeX Work, that aimed to do just this. But it's 11 
years old and woefully out of date.

>
>BTW, I used Idris instructions (without step4 because my texfont works)
>and I have installed three different fonts so far. Actually, I
>converted TTF fonts
>to pfb/afm, then used the Idris steps, and I am happy.

How did you convert ttf>pfb? I did this once using FontLab and I lost all my 
macron accents:-(

But texfont and pdfetex work with ttf files so there is no need to convert:-)

Now I hace to learn how
>to build typescript files, and learn where to put them,

What I did was just get one complete working typescript and model my other 
typescripts on that one. If type-ugm is working for you, just study that one. 
Five steps:

% raw fonts
%Names
%Synonyms
%maps
%typefaces

Note that you can mix and match fonts to create your own complete typefaces. I 
am enclosing a typescript I did for Times New Roman and Arial (type-tnr.tex) 
that I posted a few weeks ago.

About placing type-* files: You can put them anywhere in your TeX path; I put 
mine, along with some other private configuration files, in 
/texmf-local/tex/generic/private, but you can put them anywhere you like under 
your TeX path.

>and the mapping/encoding
>business.

I think you don't have to worry about this too much, except that texfont 
defaults to texnansi, while the fonts that come with TeXLive are mostly ec. So 
you should avoid use of \char as much as possible in your macros, and stick to 
character control sequences like \circumflex.

Best
Idris

============================
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

Re: chancery font

[Ciro Soto]

Idris,
thank you very much for your explanations... they are very helpful.
regarding ttf translation, I have in my system (I guess it came with
texlive2004)
a little software "ttf2pt1" that does the job.
unix> ttf2pt1 -b fontname.ttf
and it produces the two files: fontname.afm, fontname.pfb
which then I used with your "cooking" instructions for garamond...

BTW, how do you use a ttf font directly in context?

thank you
Ciro

On Apr 3, 2005 2:45 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid <ishamid@lamar.colostate.edu> wrote:
> >===== Original Message From ciro@kavyata.com, mailing list for ConTeXt users
> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====
> >My problem goes beyond fonts. What I think I need is a simple explanation
> >of the TeX-like package system.  For instance:
> >
> >I see tetex,pdftex,contex, latex,web2c,...and so on, but I don't understand
> >their interrelation/dependency.
> 
> teTeX, fpTeX, gwTeX, and MiKTeX are os-dependent distrbutions.
> 
> LaTeX and ConTeXt are os-independent macropackages.
> 
> Web2C is the Pascal-to-C translator that allows compilation of TeX on Unix,
> Windows, etc. /web2c is the directory that contains configuration files and
> os-dependent format files. But I don't know why it's called "/web2c"
> 
> >Why the livetex tree is like it is?  What is needed for a context user?
> 
> ConTeXt has become so detailed and powerful, and changes so fast, that the
> os-dependent distrbutions can't keep up. I predict that one day ConTeXt will
> be completely independent of TeXLive. Some of the problems many of us have
> been facing ultimately boil down to the growing, but not yet complete,
> independence of ConTeXt from TeXLive. Personally, I think this a good thing,
> because ConTeXt is really a stand-alone system in the final analysis.
> mswincontext.zip is _almost_ there; maybe Hans could use volunteers to build
> and maintain independent Mac and Unix packages a la mswincontext.zip. Then we
> could contribute to a test/torture suite to make sure that everything runs
> identically on all os's. Each of us may have pet issues that concern us (I
> have my aleph work for example, there are fonts, xml, etc).
> 
> >What are the steps to upgrade context with a cont-tmf.zip and a texlive2004?
> >Would it be possible to create an shell script that automize all this?
> 
> I would get the tetex package from pragma, install it in its own tree, define
> your path so that your ConTeXt bin is searched BEFORE TeXLive's, and have your
> shell script initialize your tree (maybe there are instructions in the teTeX
> package). I modified my setuptex.bat so that my ConTeXt tree would search my
> TeXLive tree as well; I suppose you could do the same with setuptex.csh.
> 
> >
> >Where are fonts registered/stored/mapped/encoded?
> 
> There is a document somewhere on the TeX Directory Structure (tds), I think.
> Look in /texmf/doc/tds
> 
> >
> >Most books on TeX,latex, etc, only explain how to use them, but not
> >the 'system administration' part, which must of us have to learn as well.
> 
> There is an old book, Making TeX Work, that aimed to do just this. But it's 11
> years old and woefully out of date.
> 
> >
> >BTW, I used Idris instructions (without step4 because my texfont works)
> >and I have installed three different fonts so far. Actually, I
> >converted TTF fonts
> >to pfb/afm, then used the Idris steps, and I am happy.
> 
> How did you convert ttf>pfb? I did this once using FontLab and I lost all my
> macron accents:-(
> 
> But texfont and pdfetex work with ttf files so there is no need to convert:-)
> 
> Now I hace to learn how
> >to build typescript files, and learn where to put them,
> 
> What I did was just get one complete working typescript and model my other
> typescripts on that one. If type-ugm is working for you, just study that one.
> Five steps:
> 
> % raw fonts
> %Names
> %Synonyms
> %maps
> %typefaces
> 
> Note that you can mix and match fonts to create your own complete typefaces. I
> am enclosing a typescript I did for Times New Roman and Arial (type-tnr.tex)
> that I posted a few weeks ago.
> 
> About placing type-* files: You can put them anywhere in your TeX path; I put
> mine, along with some other private configuration files, in
> /texmf-local/tex/generic/private, but you can put them anywhere you like under
> your TeX path.
> 
> >and the mapping/encoding
> >business.
> 
> I think you don't have to worry about this too much, except that texfont
> defaults to texnansi, while the fonts that come with TeXLive are mostly ec. So
> you should avoid use of \char as much as possible in your macros, and stick to
> character control sequences like \circumflex.
> 
> Best
> Idris
> 
> ============================
> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523
> 
> 


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Re: chancery font

[h h extern]

Ciro Soto wrote:
> BTW, how do you use a ttf font directly in context?

just change the entry in the map file to fontname.ttf

Hans


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RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

>===== Original Message From mailing list for ConTeXt users 
<ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====
>Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200:
>
>>I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not
>>succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.
>
>Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font
>users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand
>(and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up
>distribution-specific problems.

Not only that, Adam, but the configuration issues involve so much minutae that 
it is very easy to make simple mistakes that cause, e.g, typescripts to fail. 
As Ciro suggested, what what would be useful is a gui that completely 
automates the process and that asks all relevant questions and generates 
everything ConTeXt needs to install and run Latin fonts, including expert 
fonts like Minion.**** (Maybe oneday the gui can be extended for Chinese, 
Arabic, etc.)

On the other hand, I did manage to get a virtual font created by fontinst (old 
style numeral cmr) to work in ConTeXt without using any of the 
ConTeXt-specific utilities. I wrote the typescript entirely from scratch, with 
optical scaling and all; if that complicated set of typefaces could work, any 
Latin font should work. But debugging this sort of thing may take time, which 
can be frustrating.

****Qt4.0 will be gpl, I'd love to see e.g., an elegant crossplatform Qt/Ruby 
application that does this:-)

Best
Idris

============================
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

Re: chancery font

[Rob Ermers]

Thanks Thomas for the manual. I have already printed it, and cannot wait 
to give it a try.

In the mean time I welcome any other concrete tips for installing a new 
font, step by step that is. If you recall the earlier postings: my idea 
would be to start with a new font consisting of only one pfb file.
I would like to understand each Context instruction in the files, in 
order to be better able to reproduce it. In my previous attempts, I 
often copied instructions without really understanding why they were 
needed. In my last attempt the pk file was not generated, perhaps not 
due to Context...? (Although the font did work under Latex.)

In the end my ideal would be a context which typesets Arabic, Russian 
and Turkish, plus transcription according to a code I developed myself.

Kind regards,

Robert


Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
>>===== Original Message From mailing list for ConTeXt users 
> 
> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====
> 
>>Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200:
>>
>>
>>>I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not
>>>succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.
>>
>>Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font
>>users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand
>>(and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up
>>distribution-specific problems.
> 
> 
> Not only that, Adam, but the configuration issues involve so much minutae that 
> it is very easy to make simple mistakes that cause, e.g, typescripts to fail. 
> As Ciro suggested, what what would be useful is a gui that completely 
> automates the process and that asks all relevant questions and generates 
> everything ConTeXt needs to install and run Latin fonts, including expert 
> fonts like Minion.**** (Maybe oneday the gui can be extended for Chinese, 
> Arabic, etc.)
> 
> On the other hand, I did manage to get a virtual font created by fontinst (old 
> style numeral cmr) to work in ConTeXt without using any of the 
> ConTeXt-specific utilities. I wrote the typescript entirely from scratch, with 
> optical scaling and all; if that complicated set of typefaces could work, any 
> Latin font should work. But debugging this sort of thing may take time, which 
> can be frustrating.
> 
> ****Qt4.0 will be gpl, I'd love to see e.g., an elegant crossplatform Qt/Ruby 
> application that does this:-)
> 
> Best
> Idris
> 
> ============================
> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523
> 
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Re: chancery font

[Paul Tremblay]

On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 10:15:19AM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
> Not only that, Adam, but the configuration issues involve so much minutae that 
> it is very easy to make simple mistakes that cause, e.g, typescripts to fail. 
> As Ciro suggested, what what would be useful is a gui that completely 
> automates the process and that asks all relevant questions and generates 
> everything ConTeXt needs to install and run Latin fonts, including expert 
> fonts like Minion.**** (Maybe oneday the gui can be extended for Chinese, 
> Arabic, etc.)

I myself know that when it comes time for me to work with fonts, I will
have trouble. However, I am not for a gui. A gui is hard to write and
maintain, and given all the different platforms out there, including
older linux distributions with old libraries, it most likey wouldn't run
on all of them. 

I think you can achieve the same thing with a well-written shell script,
which can be interactive and can test all sorts of variables. Wouldn't a
shell script do the job you want? I mean, imagine the best, most fancy
gui you can, one that does everything you want with fonts. Now just
imagine the same program in an ugly shell that would do the same thing,
with the same interaction, and wouldn't that do the trick? 

Paul

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Re: chancery font

[Thomas A.Schmitz]

On Apr 3, 2005, at 6:15 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

> As Ciro suggested, what what would be useful is a gui that completely
> automates the process and that asks all relevant questions and 
> generates
> everything ConTeXt needs to install and run Latin fonts, including 
> expert
> fonts like Minion.**** (Maybe oneday the gui can be extended for 
> Chinese,
> Arabic, etc.)
>

Idris,

I disagree strongly. First: fonts are a complex business, and when you 
venture outside of the normal Western character range, things start to 
get really messy (I speak from experience, having just completed work 
on Greek Extended). I'm not saying a GUI will never be able to cope 
with all  this complicated stuff. But I do think that an extraordinary 
amount of work would be needed to catch all the exceptions, ifs and 
buts that would be involved. And I do think that this work could better 
be spent on other, much more important business. To be honest: in my 
personal opinion (and this is a very personal opinion), die-hard GUI 
users who just loathe the command line should not be using TeX.

I also think that despite all the efforts that ConTeXt makes, it would 
be rash to make inexperienced users believe that handling fonts in TeX 
is a simple matter of pointing and clicking. The frustration would be 
huge when things do not work out as expected - and they will. In a way, 
the current state puts a gentle, but firm sign on font handling saying 
"This might be a bit difficult. Be warned!" And I don't think this is a 
bad thing.

No offense, but that's what I think about this issue.

Best

Thomas

RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi Adam,

>===== Original Message From mailing list for ConTeXt users 
<ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====

>And Idris, it's here:
><http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/urw/garamond/>

Ah! From the ctan dates, it appears this font was added a while after my 
TeXLive version (from last summer; time to update:-<<). Thnx a lot for 
pointing out this location.

Best
Idris

============================
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

RE: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi again...

>===== Original Message From ciro@kavyata.com, mailing list for ConTeXt users 
<ntg-context@ntg.nl> =====
>Idris,
>thank you for your interest. I don't have setuptex in my linux
>system... maybe this is
>a windows utility.

there is setuptex.sh for Linux, I believe.

>
>Concerning Garamond,

<snip>

> I'll keep trying
>and let you
>know if find how to activate them...

Thnx, please do;-)

I scanned my TeXLive installation (from last July; I installed all font 
packages I think) and could not find any reference to Garamond at all. I even 
checked the TeXLive setup files.

Anyway, Even if you have the afm files, I suspect you have to buy Garamond:

http://semantics-online.org/geek/2003/09/how_to_install_adobe_garamond_for_latex

Adam Lndsay has some comments there; maybe he knows something about this?

But if you find another way let me know!

Best
Idris

============================
Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

btex-etex

[Jiri Polcar]

    Hallo,

my ConTeXt ignore btex-etex command. It works as the btex-etex command
is empty. No text on output. Simple example:

    \starttext

    \startuseMPgraphic{test}
      picture p; p := btex TEST etex scaled 5cm;
      draw p; 
    \stopuseMPgraphic

    \useMPgraphic{test}

    \stoptext

On output is only page number. In the 'mpgraph.mp' is (if a skip some
definitions):

    ResetTextAreas ;
    SaveTextAreas ;
    ResetTextAreas ;
    if unknown context_core : input mp-core.mp ;
    fi ;
    local_multi_par_area:=false;
    ;;
    verbatimtex \global \loadfontfileoncetrue  etex;
    let mprunend = end ;
    beginfig(1);
    picture p;
    p := btex TEST etex
    scaled 5cm;
    draw p;
    endfig;
    let end = mprunend ;
    end.

If a extract a part with 

    beginfig(1);
    picture p;
    p :=  btex TEST etex;
    draw p;
    endfig;
    end.

and proccess it with mpost it works good. My ConTeXt comes from Fedora
Core 3 distribution. Any suggestion how to solve it?

--
JP

chancery font

[Ciro Soto]

When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
Chancery or Garamond fonts.
All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).

I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
               texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
                   tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
               context : ver: 2005.01.31
               cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english

Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
thank you...
Ciro

Re: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

Hi Ciro,

I don't know about Garamond (does it actually come with TeX/ConTeXt?) but 
there is an issue with Zapf in the latest ConTeXt; the tfm files are 
corrupted. Try the following (it worked for me, thank you Hans):

remake the metrics

texmfstart texfont.pl type-tmf.dat --en=texnansi --ven=urw -col=zapfchan

refresh fndb and then try

==========================
\definetypeface [zapf] [cg] [calligraphy] [chancery]
\switchtotypeface [zapf] [12pt,cg]

\starttext

Zapf Chancery

\input tufte.tex

\stoptext
==========================

Maybe Garamond has a similar problem (assuming the font is actually 
present on your system) and you can try the above with Garamond as well...

If Garamond is present, can you point me to its location, typescripts, 
etc? I'd like to try it...

Best
Idris


On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 11:52:36 -0500, Ciro Soto <cirosoto@gmail.com> wrote:

> When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
> I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
> Chancery or Garamond fonts.
> All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
>
> I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
> TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>                context : ver: 2005.01.31
>                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
>
> Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
> thank you...
> Ciro

-- 
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

Re: chancery font

[Willi Egger]

Hi Ciro,

AFAIK chancery has no typeface associated. So you need to do that yourself

\usetypescript[chancery][texnansi]
\definetypeface 	 
[myfont][cg][calligraphy][chancery][default][encoding=texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[myfont,cg,12pt]


KR
Willi
Ciro Soto wrote:
> When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
> I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
> Chancery or Garamond fonts.
> All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
> 
> I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
> TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>                context : ver: 2005.01.31
>                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
> 
> Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
> thank you...
> Ciro
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Re: chancery font

[Ciro Soto]

Idris solution didn't work. I got: 
TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
processing aborted : unknown tex root

which seems to be an installation problem... 
BUT
Willi's solutions worked when I use encoding=ec (not texnansi)...
thank you
Ciro


On Apr 2, 2005 12:52 PM, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote:
> Hi Ciro,
> 
> AFAIK chancery has no typeface associated. So you need to do that yourself
> 
> \usetypescript[chancery][texnansi]
> \definetypeface
> [myfont][cg][calligraphy][chancery][default][encoding=texnansi]
> \setupbodyfont[myfont,cg,12pt]
> 
> KR
> Willi
> Ciro Soto wrote:
> > When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
> > I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
> > Chancery or Garamond fonts.
> > All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
> >
> > I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
> > TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
> >                texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
> >                texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
> >                    tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
> >                context : ver: 2005.01.31
> >                cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
> >
> > Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
> > thank you...
> > Ciro
> > _______________________________________________
> > ntg-context mailing list
> > ntg-context@ntg.nl
> > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> 


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Re: chancery font

[Idris Samawi Hamid]

On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:29:16 -0500, Ciro Soto <cirosoto@gmail.com> wrote:

> Idris solution didn't work. I got:
> TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
> processing aborted : unknown tex root

Don't know if this is related to your own installation but I get this kind 
of message if I do not

setuptex c:\<your context tex_root>

before running the utilities.

Did you get Garamond working? Where is it?

At least things are working now:-)

Best
Idris
-- 
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Department of Philosophy
Colorado State University
Fort Collins, CO 80523

Re: chancery font

[Ciro Soto]

Idris,
thank you for your interest. I don't have setuptex in my linux
system... maybe this is
a windows utility. 

Concerning Garamond, I see bunch of files in my system:
ls ./texmf-local/fonts/afm/urw/garamond/
 ugmri8a.afm
 ugmr8a.afm
 ugmmi8a.afm
 ugmm8a.afm

and there are references to garamond fonts in the type-* files, but I don't know
how to activate it. I think I have a configuration problem in my texlive2004
plus the difficulty of handling fonts (as always)... I'll keep trying
and let you
know if find how to activate them...

Also, I followed instructions to install verdana (magazine009) but
couldn't make it work either...
so, the problem is likely to be in my installation...

Ciro


On Apr 2, 2005 2:21 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid <ishamid@colostate.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:29:16 -0500, Ciro Soto <cirosoto@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Idris solution didn't work. I got:
> > TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
> > processing aborted : unknown tex root
> 
> Don't know if this is related to your own installation but I get this kind
> of message if I do not
> 
> setuptex c:\<your context tex_root>
> 
> before running the utilities.
> 
> Did you get Garamond working? Where is it?
> 
> At least things are working now:-)
> 
> Best
> Idris
> --
> Professor Idris Samawi Hamid
> Department of Philosophy
> Colorado State University
> Fort Collins, CO 80523
> 


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=======================================
"All problems are at the interface. Each one of them has a solution."
from:
"The Guitar Maker, An Exploration of Wisdom, Design and Love." 
A novel by C. A. Soto Aguirre. Pub. Date: Aug. 2005.

Re: chancery font

[Adam Lindsay]

Ciro Soto said this at Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:00:32 -0500:

>Concerning Garamond, I see bunch of files in my system:
>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/afm/urw/garamond/
> ugmri8a.afm
> ugmr8a.afm
> ugmmi8a.afm
> ugmm8a.afm

The key question is whether you have the fonts/type1/urw/garamond
directory with .pfb files in it, as these are the URW garamond fonts, you
probably do have them. However, you probably need to load the map file
[ugm.map], and use the right typescript. As the only one in ConTeXt is
for the FontSite500 garamond, that needs to be added. There's a quickie
at the end of the message.

And Idris, it's here:
<http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/fonts/urw/garamond/>

\starttypescript[serif][garamond][ec]
 \definefontsynonym[Garamond]          [ugmr8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym[GaramondItalic]    [ugmri8t][encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym[GaramondBold]      [ugmm8t] [encoding=ec]
 \definefontsynonym[GaramondBoldItalic][ugmmi8t][encoding=ec]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[serif][garamond][name]
 \setups[font:fallback:serif]
 \definefontsynonym[Serif]          [Garamond]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic]    [GaramondItalic]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifBold]      [GaramondBold]
 \definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic][GaramondBoldItalic]
\stoptypescript

Activate with:
\definetypeface[myface][rm][serif][garamond][default][encoding=ec]
\setupbodyfont[myface]

(untested, but hopefully you get the idea...)

adam
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Re: chancery font

[Ciro Soto]

> 
> (untested, but hopefully you get the idea...)
> 
> adam

unfortunately, I have a mental mess with the font business in tex.
How can one keep track with so many directories, encodings, file types,
maps, etc... I am tired of trying to undestand. Manuals are useless
because they are outdated, trees are changed and need texhash, plus,
on top, one needs to learn the syntax for Context to use fonts.
I've been spending days trying to install a verdana font, and no
matter what I do,
it doesnt' work, and I think the same is happening with the garamond. 
I have no lesss than 3000 font files in my computer, but so far, only a handful
are available in context. At this point,
I really wish I had a graphical tool to install and use a font,
without going through
all the --always changing-- steps...
I guess, some day, someone will clear this up for once...

ciro
Ciro

Re: chancery font

[Rob Ermers]

Hi Ciro,

I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not 
succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.
A few months ago I tried again with a very simple font, which I got 
working under Latex, but not under Context, despite all my attempts and 
suggestions from other subscribers: alas!

Two years ago I recoded a cyrillic font under Latex, that contains 
special characters not available in other fonts, therefore I guess I 
know how the TeX font mechanism works. I achieved that by carefully 
reading all kinds of manuals available on the net.

For the time being I manage with Context with the standard fonts & 
Palatino, waiting for a breakthrough of some kind: the golden tip!

Kind regards,

Robert





Ciro Soto wrote:
>>(untested, but hopefully you get the idea...)
>>
>>adam
> 
> 
> unfortunately, I have a mental mess with the font business in tex.
> How can one keep track with so many directories, encodings, file types,
> maps, etc... I am tired of trying to undestand. Manuals are useless
> because they are outdated, trees are changed and need texhash, plus,
> on top, one needs to learn the syntax for Context to use fonts.
> I've been spending days trying to install a verdana font, and no
> matter what I do,
> it doesnt' work, and I think the same is happening with the garamond. 
> I have no lesss than 3000 font files in my computer, but so far, only a handful
> are available in context. At this point,
> I really wish I had a graphical tool to install and use a font,
> without going through
> all the --always changing-- steps...
> I guess, some day, someone will clear this up for once...
> 
> ciro
> Ciro
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> 
> 

Re: chancery font

[Adam Lindsay]

Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200:

>I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not 
>succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.

Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font
users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand
(and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up
distribution-specific problems. 

So, because it's the only area I can hope to fix, are there any Mac users
out there (gwTeX) that are (still) frustrated with fonts in the way that
Rob and Ciro are?

For those Mac users, is it a matter of using pre-installed fonts
(Palatino, Helvetica, etc.), or installing your own fonts that is so
frustrating?
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Re: chancery font

[Ciro Soto]

My problem goes beyond fonts. What I think I need is a simple explanation
of the TeX-like package system.  For instance:

I see tetex,pdftex,contex, latex,web2c,...and so on, but I don't understand
their interrelation/dependency. 

Why the livetex tree is like it is?  What is needed for a context user?

What are the steps to upgrade context with a cont-tmf.zip and a texlive2004?
Would it be possible to create an shell script that automize all this?
 
Where are fonts registered/stored/mapped/encoded?

Most books on TeX,latex, etc, only explain how to use them, but not
the 'system administration' part, which must of us have to learn as well.

BTW, I used Idris instructions (without step4 because my texfont works)
and I have installed three different fonts so far. Actually, I
converted TTF fonts
to pfb/afm, then used the Idris steps, and I am happy. Now I hace to learn how
to build typescript files, and learn where to put them, and the mapping/encoding
business.

regards

Ciro




On Apr 3, 2005 10:57 AM, Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> wrote:
> Rob Ermers said this at Sun, 3 Apr 2005 16:03:24 +0200:
> 
> >I completely agree. Context works fine but, like you, I have not
> >succeeded in installing any new font thusfar.
> 
> Okay, I get the message: there are quite a few frustrated would-be font
> users out there. I see it as being something that someone can understand
> (and explain) fairly well in the abstract, but the details throw up
> distribution-specific problems.
> 
> So, because it's the only area I can hope to fix, are there any Mac users
> out there (gwTeX) that are (still) frustrated with fonts in the way that
> Rob and Ciro are?
> 
> For those Mac users, is it a matter of using pre-installed fonts
> (Palatino, Helvetica, etc.), or installing your own fonts that is so
> frustrating?
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-- 
=======================================
"All problems are at the interface. Each one of them has a solution."
from:
"The Guitar Maker, An Exploration of Wisdom, Design and Love." 
A novel by C. A. Soto Aguirre. Pub. Date: Aug. 2005.

Re: chancery font

[h h extern]

Ciro Soto wrote:
> Idris solution didn't work. I got: 
> TeXFont 2.2.1 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 2000-2004
> processing aborted : unknown tex root
> 
> which seems to be an installation problem... 
> BUT
> Willi's solutions worked when I use encoding=ec (not texnansi)...
> thank you

indeed since there is no predefined typeface for chancery (makes no sense since 
it's a special purpose font)

if you want texnansi you need to make the metrics with texfont; tex live only 
ships with ec versions

Hans




> Ciro
> 
> 
> On Apr 2, 2005 12:52 PM, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Ciro,
>>
>>AFAIK chancery has no typeface associated. So you need to do that yourself
>>
>>\usetypescript[chancery][texnansi]
>>\definetypeface
>>[myfont][cg][calligraphy][chancery][default][encoding=texnansi]
>>\setupbodyfont[myfont,cg,12pt]
>>
>>KR
>>Willi
>>Ciro Soto wrote:
>>
>>>When I try the commands \usetypescript, \setupbodyfont, etc,etc
>>>I can't find the right combination of switches to make use of the Zapf
>>>Chancery or Garamond fonts.
>>>All other fonts work find (bookman, modern, palatino, etc).
>>>
>>>I am using Linux/fedoraCore3, texlive2004, and:
>>>TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>>>               texexec : TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005
>>>               texutil : TeXUtil 9.0.0 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1992-2004
>>>                   tex : pdfeTeXk, 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.3)
>>>               context : ver: 2005.01.31
>>>               cont-en : ver: 2005.01.31  fmt: 2005.2.28  mes: english
>>>
>>>Please don't ask me to read the manuals, I've read them, but still ...
>>>thank you...
>>>Ciro
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ntg-context mailing list
>>>ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>
> 
> 


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