Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

I just upgraded my MiKTeX and ConTeXt, and I found out that
ConTeXt tries to load Latin Modern regardless of my choice.
Example document:

"""
\setupbodyfont[ppl,rm,12pt]%

\starttext
Hello, world!
\stoptext
"""

Discarding my \setupbodyfont, ConTeXt tries to load
ec-lmr12.

Suggestions?

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Adam Lindsay]

Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:02:10 +0200:

>\setupbodyfont[ppl,rm,12pt]%

ppl is defined in type-pre, which is apparently deprecated in the latest
ConTeXt.
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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
> Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:02:10 +0200:
> 
> 
>>\setupbodyfont[ppl,rm,12pt]%
> 
> 
> ppl is defined in type-pre, which is apparently deprecated in the latest
> ConTeXt.

\usetypescript[palatino][ec]
\setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt]

instead

Hans

ps. the ppl was a drop in for font-ppl which was abandoned a few years ago; i 
can keep pos, ppl and lbr if needed

Hans

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Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:

> Adam Lindsay wrote:
>> Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:02:10 +0200:
>> 
>> 
>>>\setupbodyfont[ppl,rm,12pt]%
>> 
>> 
>> ppl is defined in type-pre, which is apparently deprecated in the latest
>> ConTeXt.

> \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
> \setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt]

> instead

ConTeXt still tries to load lmr12, though:

This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (MiKTeX 2.4) (preloaded format=cont-en 2005.7.6)  6 JUL 2005 15:47
entering extended mode
**tesi.tex
(tesi.tex

ConTeXt  ver: 2005.06.27  fmt: 2005.7.6  int: english  mes: english

language        : language en is active
<protectionstate 0>
system          : cont-new loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-new.tex
systems         : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex
color           : palette rollover is available
)
system          : cont-old loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-old.tex
loading         : Context Old Macros
)
system          : cont-fil loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\cont-fil.tex
loading         : Context File Synonyms
)
system          : cont-sys.rme loaded
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\user\cont-sys.rme
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-exa.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-syn.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-enc.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-dis.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-siz.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-map.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-spe.tex)
(C:\localtexmf\tex\context\base\./type-akb.tex))
bodyfont        : 12pt rm is loaded
! Font \*12ptrmtf*=ec-lmr12 not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.
<to be read again> 
                   \relax 
\xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier 
                                                  \let \localrelativefontsiz...

\fontstrategy ...ame #1\csname #2#3#4#5\endcsname 
                                                  \tryingfontfalse \fi 
<inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize 
                                                  \fi \iftryingfont \fontstr...

\synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies 
                                                  \relax \fi \ifskipfontchar...
<argument> \getvalue {\@style@ \fontstyle }
                                           \edef \fontstyle {\fontstyle }\if...
...
l.1 
    \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
? x
 
Here is how much of TeX's memory you used:
 636 strings out of 61510
 10115 string characters out of 652806
 478845 words of memory out of 1054075
 36224 multiletter control sequences out of 60000
 7 words of font info for 0 fonts, out of 500000 for 1000
 156 hyphenation exceptions out of 4999
 27i,0n,26p,200b,473s stack positions out of 1500i,500n,5000p,200000b,32768s
No pages of output.

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[luigi.scarso]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

>
>ConTeXt still tries to load lmr12, though:
>
>This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (MiKTeX 2.4) (preloaded format=cont-en 2005.7.6)  6 JUL 2005 15:47
>entering extended mode
>**tesi.tex
>(tesi.tex
>  
>
I N   B O C C A   A L   L U P O  !!!

luigi

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> 
>>Adam Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>>Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Wed, 6 Jul 2005 14:02:10 +0200:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>\setupbodyfont[ppl,rm,12pt]%
>>>
>>>
>>>ppl is defined in type-pre, which is apparently deprecated in the latest
>>>ConTeXt.

i've added a slightly different type-pre which provides backward compatibility 
as much as possible without messing up things too much (will upload later)

>>\usetypescript[palatino][ec]
>>\setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt]
> 
> 
>>instead
>  
> ConTeXt still tries to load lmr12, though:

this is weird, esp since this is pretty old untouched stuff


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Re: Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Otared Kavian]

On 6 juil. 2005, at 15:48, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
>
>> \usetypescript[palatino][ec]
>> \setupbodyfont[palatino,rm,12pt]
>>
>
>

Can you try the following:

\usetypescript [adobekb]   [ec]
\loadmapfile [context-base]
\usetypescript[palatino][\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[palatino,12pt]

\starttext
\input knuth
\stoptext

See also my message in the thread discussed here "Confusion with font  
instructions".

I hope this wil help...

Best regards: OK

Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 luigi.scarso wrote:

> Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

>>
>>ConTeXt still tries to load lmr12, though:
>>
>>This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (MiKTeX
>>2.4) (preloaded format=cont-en 2005.7.6)  6 JUL 2005 15:47
>>entering extended mode
>>**tesi.tex
>>(tesi.tex
>>  
>>
> I N   B O C C A   A L   L U P O  !!!

Crepi il lupo! :)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:

> this is weird, esp since this is pretty old untouched stuff

I'll bet it's because lm is the new default font, so
regardless of what I try to load it still tries to get that,
first thing.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> Wednesday, July 6, 2005 luigi.scarso wrote:
> 
> 
>>Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> 
> 
>>>ConTeXt still tries to load lmr12, though:
>>>
>>>This is pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (MiKTeX
>>>2.4) (preloaded format=cont-en 2005.7.6)  6 JUL 2005 15:47
>>>entering extended mode
>>>**tesi.tex
>>>(tesi.tex
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>I N   B O C C A   A L   L U P O  !!!
> 
> Crepi il lupo! :)

Thanks to the babel fish-y:

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
 >>
 >>I N   M O U T H   T O   T H E   L U P O  !!!
 >
 > Leaks the lupo! :)

Which, I believe, means that both of them just met a dribbling wolf. :)


Taco

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

! Font \*12ptrmtf*=ec-lmr12 not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.

maybe its a fall back font that is loaded here; in any case, you need to have 
latin modern on your machine (well, you want that any way in order to hyphenate 
italian -)

Hans


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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[luigi.scarso]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>
>>>> **tesi.tex
>>>>
This is a hidden sign that G. Billotta is working on his mathematics 
*dissertation...
('quasi finita', i hope)
*

>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I N   B O C C A   A L   L U P O  !!!
>>
>>
>> Crepi il lupo! :)
>
>

""When someone tells you "in bocca al lupo" to wish you good luck, you 
are supposed to reply "crepi" (maybe you can use the extended sentence 
as well, i. e. "crepi il lupo").
If you simply reply "grazie", you are supposed not to have luck! ""
Used sometimes by students to wish each other good luck before exams.

Well, G. Billotta was the first (and last, for now) italian I met inside 
context code.
I was able to find one of his article on context at
http://obelix.ee.duth.gr/eft/eutupon/eutupon9.pdf
which I'm reading for a (planned) presentation to guit 2005 meeting,
together with modules.pdf  which I'm building , with some efforts.

I hope that when modules.pdf will be ok, answer sto questions like
"Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Moder" will be more rapid.

luigi

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Taco Hoekwater]

luigi.scarso wrote:
> ""When someone tells you "in bocca al lupo" to wish you good luck, you 
> are supposed to reply "crepi" (maybe you can use the extended sentence 
> as well, i. e. "crepi il lupo").

Thanks for the explanation!

To Giuseppe: In bocca al lupo! :)

Taco

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

luigi.scarso wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
>>
>>>>> **tesi.tex
>>>>>
> This is a hidden sign that G. Billotta is working on his mathematics 
> *dissertation...
> ('quasi finita', i hope)
> *

ah, that 6\high{th} dimension problem he's working on; any sign of/news on the 
meGapost variant that is needed to prove him being right

> ""When someone tells you "in bocca al lupo" to wish you good luck, you 
> are supposed to reply "crepi" (maybe you can use the extended sentence 
> as well, i. e. "crepi il lupo").
> If you simply reply "grazie", you are supposed not to have luck! ""
> Used sometimes by students to wish each other good luck before exams.

ah, so 'crepi' is not related to creperen which in dutch means that he's going 
down (into the gutter, etc)

> Well, G. Billotta was the first (and last, for now) italian I met inside 
> context code.

hm, looking at list i count some 12 italian members (currently some 435 members, 
still growing, some inactive accounts, so probably some 400 active)

> I was able to find one of his article on context at
> http://obelix.ee.duth.gr/eft/eutupon/eutupon9.pdf
> which I'm reading for a (planned) presentation to guit 2005 meeting,
> together with modules.pdf  which I'm building , with some efforts.
> 
> I hope that when modules.pdf will be ok, answer sto questions like
> "Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Moder" will be more rapid.

-)

Hans


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Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:

> ah, that 6\high{th} dimension problem he's working on; any sign of/news on the
> meGapost variant that is needed to prove him being right

Sheesh! It's a plain two-dimensional problem. And it's
basically solved, too :)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:

> ! Font \*12ptrmtf*=ec-lmr12 not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.

> maybe its a fall back font that is loaded here; in any case, you need to have
> latin modern on your machine (well, you want that any way in order to hyphenate
> italian -)

By no reason I should *need* Latin Modern. I want to use Palatino,
not Latin Modern. If ConTeXt can't find a font, it should
complain about *that* font missing.

I also tried Otared's suggestion. Same thing. Regardless of
what's in the document, ConTeXt *still* tries loading Latin
Modern. Why?

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
> 
>>! Font \*12ptrmtf*=ec-lmr12 not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found.
> 
> 
>>maybe its a fall back font that is loaded here; in any case, you need to have
>>latin modern on your machine (well, you want that any way in order to hyphenate
>>italian -)
> 
> 
> By no reason I should *need* Latin Modern. I want to use Palatino,
> not Latin Modern. If ConTeXt can't find a font, it should
> complain about *that* font missing.

hey, as an italian you should install latin modern ...

> I also tried Otared's suggestion. Same thing. Regardless of
> what's in the document, ConTeXt *still* tries loading Latin
> Modern. Why?

the palatino typescript is a combination of fonts, for instance the monospaced 
is taken from latin modern

we need a fall back font in tex, and now that's latin modern; once it;s wide 
spread we can start doing some more cleanup

also ... you being a mathematician ... in a few years you have to update to the 
new latin modern math too -)

Hans


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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

> I just upgraded my MiKTeX and ConTeXt, and I found out that
> ConTeXt tries to load Latin Modern regardless of my choice.
> Example document:

> """
> \setupbodyfont[ppl,rm,12pt]%

> \starttext
> Hello, world!
> \stoptext
> """

> Discarding my \setupbodyfont, ConTeXt tries to load
> ec-lmr12.

> Suggestions?

Ok, in the end my solution was to \let\preloadfonts\relax in
my cont-loc.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

> By no reason I should *need* Latin Modern. I want to use Palatino,
> not Latin Modern. If ConTeXt can't find a font, it should
> complain about *that* font missing.

Context behaves precisely like before: it loads the fallback family at
\everyjob. It absolutely has to, because otherwise plain compatibility
wouldn't work (when typesetting is done without or before \starttext)

This one-liner:

   $ pdfetex \&cont-en \\bye

also loads ec-cmr12, as well as some latin moderns, and the whole set
of cmr math fonts.

The only reason why people notice now is that they do not have
lmr12 while everybody had cmr12.

Taco

Re[4]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Otared Kavian wrote:

> \usetypescript [adobekb]   [ec]

Thank you very much. This, combined with the suppression of
\preloadfonts, fixed all of my problems.

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Taco Hoekwater wrote:

>> By no reason I should *need* Latin Modern. I want to use Palatino,
>> not Latin Modern. If ConTeXt can't find a font, it should
>> complain about *that* font missing.

> Context behaves precisely like before: it loads the fallback family at
> \everyjob. It absolutely has to, because otherwise plain compatibility
> wouldn't work (when typesetting is done without or before \starttext)

> This one-liner:

>    $ pdfetex \&cont-en \\bye

> also loads ec-cmr12, as well as some latin moderns, and the whole set
> of cmr math fonts.

> The only reason why people notice now is that they do not have
> lmr12 while everybody had cmr12.

The fallback being a fallback, it should be something that
everybody has for sure. So it should stay cmr12. This, at
least, is MNHO.

Is there a way to set the fall-back font? (In cont-usr or
something)

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

> The fallback being a fallback, it should be something that
> everybody has for sure. So it should stay cmr12. This, at
> least, is MNHO.
> 
> Is there a way to set the fall-back font? (In cont-usr or
> something)

actually, lmr will be in all distributions, if it isn't already; it will replace 
cmr (at least the non math part) [either or not by map file entries]; the reason 
why i push it a bit is (1) it needs testing and (2) well, i want to push usage, 
and (3) it is simply a better solution esp with accented characters.

So, even if you use cmr12, it will be mapped onto lmr12 (either in (con)tex(t) 
or by means of a map file); don't worry, it is compatible; (although there may 
be future variants that have improvements)

Hans

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Guit

[luigi.scarso]

Hans Hagen wrote:

>
> hm, looking at list i count some 12 italian members

Maybe useless, but for all these italian members:

   1. http://www.guit.sssup.it is the official link for the Italian TeX
      Users Group;
   2. at http://www.guit.sssup.it/forum there is a forum for ConTeXt in
      italian language;
   3. Please, join the guit  !!


Note::the offial link for guit is
http://www.guit.sssup.it

luigi

-Italian translation-----
Forse e' inutile, ma per tutti gli iscritti italiani:

   1. http://www.guit.sssup.it e' il link ufficiale per l' Italian TeX
      Users Group;
   2. in http://www.guit.sssup.it/forum c'e' un forum dedicato a ConTeXt
      in lingua italiana;
   3. Iscrivetevi al guit !!!

Nota:: Il link ufficiale per il guit e'
http://www.guit.sssup.it

luigi

Re: Guit

[Hans Hagen]

luigi.scarso wrote:

>   2. at http://www.guit.sssup.it/forum there is a forum for ConTeXt in
>      italian language;

i grep no 'context' on that page, so no opportunity to polish my italian -)

Hans


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Re: Guit

[Frank Grieshaber]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
> luigi.scarso wrote:
> 
>>   2. at http://www.guit.sssup.it/forum there is a forum for ConTeXt in
>>      italian language;
> 
> 
> i grep no 'context' on that page, so no opportunity to polish my italian -)
> 
> Hans


try the following link:

http://www.guit.sssup.it/phpbb/index.php

Frank

Re: Guit

[luigi.scarso]

Hans Hagen wrote:

>>   2. at http://www.guit.sssup.it/forum there is a forum for ConTeXt in
>>      italian language;
>
>
> i grep no 'context' on that page, so no opportunity to polish my 
> italian -)
>
Only Forum su TeX, LaTeX e GuIT (grrr)
I will send an email to our admin.

BTW, 
http://www.guit.sssup.it/phpbb/index.php

luigi

Re: Guit

[Hans Hagen]

Frank Grieshaber wrote:

> try the following link:
> 
> http://www.guit.sssup.it/phpbb/index.php

ah, i see, context is still less 'difficoltà' than latex -)

Hans

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Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Wednesday, July 6, 2005 Hans Hagen wrote:

> Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

>> The fallback being a fallback, it should be something that
>> everybody has for sure. So it should stay cmr12. This, at
>> least, is MNHO.
>> 
>> Is there a way to set the fall-back font? (In cont-usr or
>> something)

> actually, lmr will be in all distributions, if it isn't
> already; it will replace cmr (at least the non math part)
> [either or not by map file entries]; the reason why i push
> it a bit is (1) it needs testing and (2) well, i want to
> push usage, and (3) it is simply a better solution esp
> with accented characters.

> So, even if you use cmr12, it will be mapped onto lmr12
> (either in (con)tex(t) or by means of a map file); don't
> worry, it is compatible; (although there may be future
> variants that have improvements)

Yes, but my point is that I *don't* use cmr (at least not in
this document), so I see no reason why ConTeXt shoud load
lmr :)

So, how do I set my preferred fall-back font?

BTW, does ConTeXt support the pazo family of fonts?

http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/help/Catalogue/entries/mathpazo.html

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

modules.pdf : unicode/fonts problems

[luigi.scarso]

While making modules.pdf

$>texmfstart texexec --pdf --modu font-chi

fails with
font-chi.log:! Font \unicodefont=gbsongcd at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric 
(TFM) file not found

I have
$>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/tfm/chinese
b5kai/  b5kaii/  b5song/  b5songi/  gbkai/  gbkaii/  gbsong/  gbsongi/

$>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/tfm/chinese/gbsong/
gbsong01.tfm ..to..  gbsong89.tfm
with some holes in between.


Apparently I have loose some tfm.
Any ideas ?

luigi

Re: modules.pdf : unicode/fonts problems

[luigi.scarso]

luigi.scarso wrote:

> While making modules.pdf ....

Sorry, I have not search into mail list ;
forget it.

luigi

Re: modules.pdf : unicode/fonts problems

[Lutz Haseloff]

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luigi.scarso schrieb:
> While making modules.pdf
> 
> $>texmfstart texexec --pdf --modu font-chi
> 
> fails with
> font-chi.log:! Font \unicodefont=gbsongcd at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric 
> (TFM) file not found
> 
> I have
> $>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/tfm/chinese
> b5kai/  b5kaii/  b5song/  b5songi/  gbkai/  gbkaii/  gbsong/  gbsongi/
> 
> $>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/tfm/chinese/gbsong/
> gbsong01.tfm ..to..  gbsong89.tfm
> with some holes in between.
> 

I think, you have CJK fonts, but you need GBK fonts.
(see attachment)

Lutz

> 
> Apparently I have loose some tfm.
> Any ideas ?
> 
> luigi
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Re: modules.pdf : unicode/fonts problems

[Lutz Haseloff]

luigi.scarso schrieb:
> While making modules.pdf
> 
> $>texmfstart texexec --pdf --modu font-chi
> 
> fails with
> font-chi.log:! Font \unicodefont=gbsongcd at 10.0pt not loadable: Metric 
> (TFM) file not found
> 
> I have
> $>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/tfm/chinese
> b5kai/  b5kaii/  b5song/  b5songi/  gbkai/  gbkaii/  gbsong/  gbsongi/
> 
> $>ls ./texmf-local/fonts/tfm/chinese/gbsong/
> gbsong01.tfm ..to..  gbsong89.tfm
> with some holes in between.
> 

I think, you have CJK fonts, but you need GBK fonts.
I send them off list.

Lutz

> 
> Apparently I have loose some tfm.
> Any ideas ?
> 
> luigi
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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

> Yes, but my point is that I *don't* use cmr (at least not in
> this document), so I see no reason why ConTeXt shoud load
> lmr :)

as taco explained in a previous mail, we *do* need a fall back font, just in 
case somewhere later in the process

of course we can start being restrictive like demanding that styles have an 
explicit order of definitions and such (no box building before such and so) but 
then we end up in a real messy situation

> So, how do I set my preferred fall-back font?

i guess in cont-en.tex and such

> BTW, does ConTeXt support the pazo family of fonts?

never tried them ... question for adam -)

Hans

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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:39:23 +0200:

>> BTW, does ConTeXt support the pazo family of fonts?
>
>never tried them ... question for adam -)

Me neither, but they look to be of good quality, but of lesser glyph
coverage (lacking AMS symbols) than the PX fonts. That said, the basic
three fonts are 99.8% glyph compatible with the existing PX support.

So here's really really _cheap_ support (no bold yet):

% add these two typescripts to your environment 
% before calling palatino math:

\starttypescript[map][palatino][all]
  \loadmapfile[pazo]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript[math][palatino][default]
  \definefontsynonym[pxmi][zplmr7m]
  \definefontsynonym[pxr][zplmr7t]
  \definefontsynonym[pxex][zplmr7v]
  \definefontsynonym[pxsy][zplmr7y]
\stoptypescript

% then call your palatino family:
\usetypescript[adobekb][ec]
\usetypescript[palatino][ec]
\setupbodyfont[palatino]

% and run it thru some tests:
\starttext
\input knuth

\startformula
\theta\over\xi = {\os 2}\varphi
\stopformula

\startformula
\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{1\over{a+b}}}}}
\stopformula

\showmathcharacters
\stoptext

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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[luigi.scarso]

Hans Hagen wrote:

>
> ah, so 'crepi' is not related to creperen which in dutch means that 
> he's going down (into the gutter, etc)

hmm,
""In Dutch, "creperen" means to
=>DIE<=
a slow, agonizing death (or something along that line :))...""

In italian,
'crepi' is 3th singular person from verb 'crepare':
'crepare': to die, to pop off, to kick the bucket | to burst| to crack 
(like 'the wall has cracked')
 From latin crepare.

It seem that they share the same origin. -)

luigi

Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Thursday, July 7, 2005 Adam Lindsay wrote:

> Me neither, but they look to be of good quality, but of lesser glyph
> coverage (lacking AMS symbols) than the PX fonts. That said, the basic
> three fonts are 99.8% glyph compatible with the existing PX support.

So ConTeXt uses the PX family for math support when Palatino
is in use?

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
> Thursday, July 7, 2005 Adam Lindsay wrote:
> 
> 
>>Me neither, but they look to be of good quality, but of lesser glyph
>>coverage (lacking AMS symbols) than the PX fonts. That said, the basic
>>three fonts are 99.8% glyph compatible with the existing PX support.
> 
> 
> So ConTeXt uses the PX family for math support when Palatino
> is in use?

yes, and tx when times is chosen

Hans



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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Adam Lindsay]

Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:11:01 +0200:

>Thursday, July 7, 2005 Adam Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Me neither, but they look to be of good quality, but of lesser glyph
>> coverage (lacking AMS symbols) than the PX fonts. That said, the basic
>> three fonts are 99.8% glyph compatible with the existing PX support.
>
>So ConTeXt uses the PX family for math support when Palatino
>is in use?

That's my understanding of it, yes.
Reading more about it yesterday, that does indeed sound non-optimal. 

Can you say what the requirements would be for improving Palatino math
support would be?

(And have you tried my little typescript hack?)

For those trying to follow along:

Young Ryu's pxmath:
* Current ConTeXt choice
+ Complete AMS glyph coverage
- Some spacing bugs
- No longer supported, and deprecated in LaTeX world

Diego Puga's mathpazo:
* LaTeX's preferred choice (of free fonts)
+ heavily tested spacing
- only 'basic' math support

I think some sort of hybrid is possible. Without relying on virtual
fonts, it would be necessary to make a choice between the two blackboard
options. 
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Re[2]: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Friday, July 8, 2005 Adam Lindsay wrote:

> Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:11:01 +0200:

>>Thursday, July 7, 2005 Adam Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Me neither, but they look to be of good quality, but of lesser glyph
>>> coverage (lacking AMS symbols) than the PX fonts. That said, the basic
>>> three fonts are 99.8% glyph compatible with the existing PX support.
>>
>>So ConTeXt uses the PX family for math support when Palatino
>>is in use?

> That's my understanding of it, yes.
> Reading more about it yesterday, that does indeed sound non-optimal.

> Can you say what the requirements would be for improving Palatino math
> support would be?

Well, all things considered I would say that augmenting the
mathpazo collection would be the best thing.

> (And have you tried my little typescript hack?)

Yes. It works perfectly, thanks :)

> For those trying to follow along:

> Young Ryu's pxmath:
> * Current ConTeXt choice
> + Complete AMS glyph coverage
> - Some spacing bugs
> - No longer supported, and deprecated in LaTeX world

> Diego Puga's mathpazo:
> * LaTeX's preferred choice (of free fonts)
> + heavily tested spacing
> - only 'basic' math support

> I think some sort of hybrid is possible. Without relying on virtual
> fonts, it would be necessary to make a choice between the two blackboard
> options.

Is it possible to set mathpazo as the default math font for
Palatino, and setting px as the fallback?

-- 
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

> Is it possible to set mathpazo as the default math font for
> Palatino, and setting px as the fallback?

that would break many of my files

the best thing to do is (given that this pazzo stuff is complete)

\starttypescript[pazzo][...

   .....

\stoptypescript

For that to work i need

- the proper defs (probably adam will provide them)
- a list of font files needed (in order to test them)

Hans

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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Adam Lindsay]

Giuseppe Bilotta said this at Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:39:22 +0200:

>Is it possible to set mathpazo as the default math font for
>Palatino, and setting px as the fallback?

Interesting.

My first thought (and this probably can apply to your other issue within
this thread) was to probe for tfm files with something like:

\doiffile{zplmr7t.tfm}

...but that doesn't work. Does anyone know how you can look for non-.tex
files from within ConTeXt? 
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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
>
> My first thought (and this probably can apply to your other issue within
> this thread) was to probe for tfm files with something like:
> 
> \doiffile{zplmr7t.tfm}
> 
> ...but that doesn't work. Does anyone know how you can look for non-.tex
> files from within ConTeXt? 

you probably need to add the font paths you your tex input paths

Hans

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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Adam Lindsay]

Hans Hagen said this at Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:14:29 +0200:

>> ...but that doesn't work. Does anyone know how you can look for non-.tex
>> files from within ConTeXt? 
>
>you probably need to add the font paths you your tex input paths

Hmm. That doesn't make for a satisfying general solution, then.
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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Or you could do something like this:

\def\doiffontelse#1#2#3{%
     \batchmode \font\klutch=#1 \errorstopmode
     \ifdim \the\fontdimen5\klutch < 1pt #3\else #2\fi
     \let\klutch\relax
     }

\doiffontelse{ec-lmr10}
   {\message{Up-to-date}}
   {\message{Please install lmr}}


It gives an ugly error in the log file if the font is not found,
but that is a only a minor inconvenience.

Greetings,Taco

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Adam Lindsay wrote:
> 
>>
>> My first thought (and this probably can apply to your other issue within
>> this thread) was to probe for tfm files with something like:
>>
>> \doiffile{zplmr7t.tfm}
>>
>> ...but that doesn't work. Does anyone know how you can look for non-.tex
>> files from within ConTeXt? 
> 
> 
> you probably need to add the font paths you your tex input paths
> 
> Hans
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Re: Why does ConTeXt try to load Latin Modern?

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
> Or you could do something like this:
> 
> \def\doiffontelse#1#2#3{%
>     \batchmode \font\klutch=#1 \errorstopmode
>     \ifdim \the\fontdimen5\klutch < 1pt #3\else #2\fi
>     \let\klutch\relax
>     }
> 
> \doiffontelse{ec-lmr10}
>   {\message{Up-to-date}}
>   {\message{Please install lmr}}
> 
> 
> It gives an ugly error in the log file if the font is not found,
> but that is a only a minor inconvenience.

I remember that long ago taco and i had some discussion about testing stuff in 
font-ini, here is a residu, still in font-ini.tex:

%D Some unused left||overs:
%D
%D \starttyping
%D \def\doiffontpresentelse#1#2#3%
%D   {\bgroup
%D    \batchmode\font\dummy=\truefontname{#1}\errorstopmode
%D    \edef\lastfontname{\fontname\dummy}%
%D    \ifx\lastfontname\nullfontname\egroup#3\else\egroup#2\fi}
%D
%D \def\abortiffontnotfound#1%
%D 
{\doiffontpresentelse{#1}{}{\showmessage\m!fonts{10}{\truefontname{#1}}\endinput}}
%D \stoptyping

a more modern definition is:

\def\doiffontpresentelse#1%
   {\bgroup
    \batchmode\font\dummy=\truefontname{#1}\errorstopmode
    \edef\lastfontname{\fontname\dummy}%
    \ifx\lastfontname\nullfontname
      \egroup\expandafter\secondoftwoarguments
    \else
      \egroup\expandafter\firstoftwoarguments
   \fi}

and more etex is:

\def\doiffontpresentelse#1%
   {\bgroup
    \scratchcounter\interactionmode
    \batchmode
    \font\dummy=\truefontname{#1}\relax
    \interactionmode\scratchcounter
    \edef\lastfontname{\fontname\dummy}%
    \ifx\lastfontname\nullfontname
      \egroup\expandafter\secondoftwoarguments
    \else
      \egroup\expandafter\firstoftwoarguments
    \fi}

thsi works ok with:

\doiffontpresentelse{texnansi-lmr10}{YES}{NO}

\doiffontpresentelse{adam-lindsay-modern-serif}{YES}{NO}

i'll add them (again)

Hans


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