From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/21427 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Christopher Creutzig Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: "Escaping" tabulate Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:35:11 +0200 Message-ID: <42DAA4DF.4000500@creutzig.de> References: <42D66D7F.9080207@mail.ru> <91CFE71B-D646-4D03-A382-F8652DBF3F16@fiee.net> <42D795B4.9050001@mail.ru> <42D7C01B.9030908@wxs.nl> <42D7E09F.4070008@mail.ru> <42D7F05B.8070908@mail.ru> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1121625551 20805 80.91.229.2 (17 Jul 2005 18:39:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Jul 17 20:39:03 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DuE2O-0003Xa-16 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:38:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6C212797; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21886-03; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:38:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F252D12796; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:35:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED37A12796 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 21886-02 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:35:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailgate.uni-paderborn.de (mailgate.uni-paderborn.de [131.234.22.32]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1826D1278D for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:35:16 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from p548b0e76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.139.14.118] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by mailgate.uni-paderborn.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1DuDzT-0000aa-4V for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:35:51 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <42D7F05B.8070908@mail.ru> X-UNI-PB_FAK-EIM-MailScanner-Information: Please see http://imap.uni-paderborn.de for details X-UNI-PB_FAK-EIM-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UNI-PB_FAK-EIM-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-3.208, required 4, AUTH_EIM_USER -5.00, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL 1.66, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 0.14) X-MailScanner-From: christopher@creutzig.de X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:21427 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context:21427 Radhelorn wrote: > Oh, thanks. Can you describe in a few words distinction between {} and > \bgroup\egroup? I know that \bgroup\egroup are "implicit characters" and > useful in macro definitions but what this really means? You can have \def\startfoo{\bgroup} \def\stopfoo{\egroup} but you cannot get the same effect with \def\startfoo{{} \def\stopfoo{}} because TeX has no way of knowing that the first definition was supposed to have ended. I believe in ConTeXt you'd usually(?) use \start and \stop instead of \bgroup and \egroup, though. What do the experts say about this? Christopher