Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[David Wooten]

Greetings all,

Mr. Tufte has an interesting  example from da Vinci: http:// 
trichotomic.net/Leonardo.jpg (76k). Is this type of layout currently  
possible (or perhaps a better question, wieldy) within ConTeXt?

Kind regards,
David Wooten

Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[Taco Hoekwater]

David Wooten wrote:
> Greetings all,
> 
> Mr. Tufte has an interesting  example from da Vinci: http:// 
> trichotomic.net/Leonardo.jpg (76k). Is this type of layout currently  
> possible (or perhaps a better question, wieldy) within ConTeXt?

In a standard TeX installation, it is not possible to make this
type of paragraph without massive amounts of manual intervention,
because TeX's paragraphs cannot (normally) contain holes.

However, VTeX does not have that limititation, and the OS/2 and
Linux versions of it's TeX compiler are free (as in beer). See

   http://www.micropress-inc.com

Greetings,

Taco

Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[David Wooten]

Ah, that's what I feared. I'm using Mac OS X, so I guess I'll have to  
postpone it. Thanks for the response,
David

On Jul 13, 2005, at 12:23 AM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> David Wooten wrote:
>
>> Greetings all,
>> Mr. Tufte has an interesting  example from da Vinci: http://  
>> trichotomic.net/Leonardo.jpg (76k). Is this type of layout  
>> currently  possible (or perhaps a better question, wieldy) within  
>> ConTeXt?
>
> In a standard TeX installation, it is not possible to make this
> type of paragraph without massive amounts of manual intervention,
> because TeX's paragraphs cannot (normally) contain holes.
>
> However, VTeX does not have that limititation, and the OS/2 and
> Linux versions of it's TeX compiler are free (as in beer). See
>
>   http://www.micropress-inc.com
>
> Greetings,
>
> Taco

Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[Hartmut Henkel]

On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> David Wooten wrote:
> > Mr. Tufte has an interesting example from da Vinci: http://
> > trichotomic.net/Leonardo.jpg (76k). Is this type of layout currently
> > possible (or perhaps a better question, wieldy) within ConTeXt?
>
> In a standard TeX installation, it is not possible to make this type
> of paragraph without massive amounts of manual intervention, because
> TeX's paragraphs cannot (normally) contain holes.

FWIW, there is a pointer to a similar problem in DEK's "Digital
Typography", chapter 9: "Problem for a Saturday Morning", published in
TUGboat 8 (1987) (Harmless title for the amount of macros piling up
there :-) An article from Alan Hoenig is also mentioned, which can be
found there:

http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/Articles/tb08-2/tb18hoenig.pdf

Regards, Hartmut

Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[Mikael Persson]

On 7/13/05, Hartmut Henkel <hartmut_henkel@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jul 2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> 
> > David Wooten wrote:
> > > Mr. Tufte has an interesting example from da Vinci: http://
> > > trichotomic.net/Leonardo.jpg (76k). Is this type of layout currently
> > > possible (or perhaps a better question, wieldy) within ConTeXt?
> >
> > In a standard TeX installation, it is not possible to make this type
> > of paragraph without massive amounts of manual intervention, because
> > TeX's paragraphs cannot (normally) contain holes.
> 
> FWIW, there is a pointer to a similar problem in DEK's "Digital
> Typography", chapter 9: "Problem for a Saturday Morning", published in
> TUGboat 8 (1987) (Harmless title for the amount of macros piling up
> there :-) An article from Alan Hoenig is also mentioned, which can be
> found there:
> 
> http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/Articles/tb08-2/tb18hoenig.pdf
> 

Hi,

Hans, is this something we can expect some nice ConTeXt-ish macros for?

Best regards, Micke P

Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[Hans Hagen]

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Mikael Persson wrote:

>Hans, is this something we can expect some nice ConTeXt-ish macros for?
>  
>
This is always kind of tricky. Grepping for parshape on my disk gave me an old test file which i wrapped in a preliminary module. I'm not that sure about the interface and I've forgotten how well it performs. 

(I do have a multi column variant somewhere too.) 

no guarantees

Hans 

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Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[David Wooten]

Hmm, I'm not sure how to try out this 'preliminary module' --- looks  
like there is a sample included, but perhaps it could be spelled out  
for me (and anyone else who doesn't know how to proceed).

Many thanks!
Dave

On Jul 19, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

> Mikael Persson wrote:

>> Hans, is this something we can expect some nice ConTeXt-ish macros  
>> for?

> This is always kind of tricky. Grepping for parshape on my disk  
> gave me an old test file which i wrapped in a preliminary module.  
> I'm not that sure about the interface and I've forgotten how well  
> it performs.
> (I do have a multi column variant somewhere too.)
> no guarantees
>
> Hans
>
> <m-shape.tex>

Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[Matthias Weber]

You can comment out the line

\doifnotmode{demo}{\endinput}

There is probably also an invocation of TeX with a command line option 
which sets the mode.

Matthias

On Jul 19, 2005, at 7:36 PM, David Wooten wrote:

> Hmm, I'm not sure how to try out this 'preliminary module' --- looks 
> like there is a sample included, but perhaps it could be spelled out 
> for me (and anyone else who doesn't know how to proceed).
>
> Many thanks!
> Dave
>
> On Jul 19, 2005, at 1:38 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> Mikael Persson wrote:
>
>>> Hans, is this something we can expect some nice ConTeXt-ish macros 
>>> for?
>
>> This is always kind of tricky. Grepping for parshape on my disk gave 
>> me an old test file which i wrapped in a preliminary module. I'm not 
>> that sure about the interface and I've forgotten how well it 
>> performs.
>> (I do have a multi column variant somewhere too.)
>> no guarantees
>>
>> Hans
>>
>> <m-shape.tex>
>
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Re: Paragraph internal graphic/layout inquiry.

[luigi.scarso]

Matthias Weber wrote:

> You can comment out the line
>
> \doifnotmode{demo}{\endinput}
>
> There is probably also an invocation of TeX with a command line option 
> which sets the mode.
>
I made it with
$>texexec --pdf --mode=demo m-shape.tex

luigi