Re: Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

Re: Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

[Elena Fraboschi]

In the context of bibligraphies, I have been looking at two topics
that were the subject of presentations at one of the last TUG meetings,
namely,

Bibulus
MLBibTeX

Bibulus interests me because it creates bibliographies directly in
XML.  MLBibTeX interests me because of its extended encoding (it is billed as 
"European style bibliography").  In either case, at this time they are for 
developers only: neither is  ready for prime time use (though you can download 
packages and "play" with them).  On the other hand, they seem to be getting 
*very* close to prime time readiness.   Conclusion:  if
ConTeXt is going to undertake some work concerning "the bibliography",
it might be a good idea to consider how that work might tie in with Bibulus or 
MLBibTeX, or both.  This said as an after thought to what Mojca said.  Best, 
elena

Re: Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

[Hans Hagen]

Elena Fraboschi wrote:

>In the context of bibligraphies, I have been looking at two topics
>that were the subject of presentations at one of the last TUG meetings,
>namely,
>
>Bibulus
>MLBibTeX
>
>Bibulus interests me because it creates bibliographies directly in
>XML.  MLBibTeX interests me because of its extended encoding (it is billed as 
>"European style bibliography").  In either case, at this time they are for 
>developers only: neither is  ready for prime time use (though you can download 
>packages and "play" with them).  On the other hand, they seem to be getting 
>*very* close to prime time readiness.   Conclusion:  if
>ConTeXt is going to undertake some work concerning "the bibliography",
>it might be a good idea to consider how that work might tie in with Bibulus or 
>MLBibTeX, or both.  This said as an after thought to what Mojca said.  Best, 
>  
>
My impression (from talks that i've heard) is that bibulis is not yet mature and it was mainly a food for thought talk but the status may have changed. 

MLBibTeX has a longer history and its author is very serious in his efforts to get it done and reports on a regular basis at user group meetings. Concerning context, taco (when he has time) will look into it in more detail and he has already discussed some things with Jean-Michel; once we know that all info needed is carried around, writing an xml interface is easy (i can do that if needed, but others need to provide specs and examples). 

Don't hesitate to contact Jean Michel and express your wishes; he's quite willing to provide more info. 

Hans 


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Re: Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi,

(back to mailing list only)

Hans Hagen wrote:
> 
>> ConTeXt is going to undertake some work concerning "the bibliography",
>> it might be a good idea to consider how that work might tie in with 
>> Bibulus or MLBibTeX, or both.  

I've been considering XBib as well:   http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net
XBib is much more of a "professional" approach, with interfaces to
Docbook and MODS (as opposed to bibtex and TeX).

I will probably end up creating a context-centric XML 'bbl' database
definition that has interfaces (through texexec) to all of those
bibliographic systems (if they can be coaxed into operability with
a non-XML, non-LaTeX application, that is). But I have to find the
time to do this, and that has turned out to be a problem so far.



Cheers, Taco

Re: Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans Hagen wrote:
>>  
> just wondering ... maybe we need a wiki page for bibliographies (and 
> wishes and such) and an entry in the dev portal as well
> Hans

I've created a page with buglist & todo/wishlist:

   http://contextgarden.net/User::Taco/Bib

Taco

Re: Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>Hello, (mostly) Taco,
>
>I don't know what the whole functionality of the urlbst
>(CTAN/biblio/bibtex/contrib/urlbst/) package is, but it offers an
>entity @webpage for bibiliography style, with url, author, title,
>year, lastchecked and note. I think it also adds a field url to
>every(?) other entity.
>
>It would be great to be able to use something like \cite[url][our nice
>garden], which would be equivalent to something like
>    \useURL[bib:our nice
>garden][http://contextgarden.net][][http://contextgarden.net]
>    \from[bib:our nice garden]
>and also add URLs to the list of publications (if requested) at the
>end of the file.
>
>Support would probably only make sense in the ConTeXt-wrapped
>bibliographies (actually is url often already present in usual bib
>files).
>
>Perhaps some other users have some more comments/suggestions about it.
>  
>
just wondering ... maybe we need a wiki page for bibliographies (and wishes and such) and an entry in the dev portal as well 

Hans 

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Adding webpage to the bibliography entries

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hello, (mostly) Taco,

I don't know what the whole functionality of the urlbst
(CTAN/biblio/bibtex/contrib/urlbst/) package is, but it offers an
entity @webpage for bibiliography style, with url, author, title,
year, lastchecked and note. I think it also adds a field url to
every(?) other entity.

It would be great to be able to use something like \cite[url][our nice
garden], which would be equivalent to something like
    \useURL[bib:our nice
garden][http://contextgarden.net][][http://contextgarden.net]
    \from[bib:our nice garden]
and also add URLs to the list of publications (if requested) at the
end of the file.

Support would probably only make sense in the ConTeXt-wrapped
bibliographies (actually is url often already present in usual bib
files).

Perhaps some other users have some more comments/suggestions about it.

Mojca