MPcolor problem (CMYK)

MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Jin-Hwan Cho]

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In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?

Best, ChoF.
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% Chapter 3. Embedded graphics
%
% 3.5 Communicating color
\setupcolors [state=start]
\setupinteraction [state=start]

\starttext

  \definecolor[cmyyellow][y=1]
  \definecolor[rgbyellow][r=1,g=1]

  \definecolor[cmydarkyellow][y=.625] 
  \definecolor[rgbdarkyellow][r=.625,g=.625]

  \startuseMPgraphic{All kinds of yellow}
    pickup pencircle scaled 1mm ;
    path p ; p := unitsquare xscaled 3cm yscaled 1cm ;
    fill p shifted (0cm,0cm) withcolor yellow ;
    fill p shifted (4cm,0cm) withcolor (1,1,0) ;
    fill p shifted (8cm,0cm) withcolor (.5,.5,0) ;
    fill p shifted (0cm,-1.5cm) withcolor \MPcolor{rgbyellow} ;
    fill p shifted (4cm,-1.5cm) withcolor \MPcolor{rgbdarkyellow} ;
    fill p shifted (8cm,-1.5cm) withcolor .5\MPcolor{rgbyellow} ;
    fill p shifted (0cm,-3cm) withcolor \MPcolor{cmyyellow} ;
    fill p shifted (4cm,-3cm) withcolor \MPcolor{cmydarkyellow} ;
    fill p shifted (8cm,-3cm) withcolor .5\MPcolor{cmyyellow} ; % do not work correctly!
  \stopuseMPgraphic

  \useMPgraphic{All kinds of yellow}

\stoptext


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Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Vit Zyka]

Jin-Hwan Cho wrote:
> In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
> using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
> the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?

Let check
- \setupcolors[state=start]
- perhaps typo 'cmyyellow -> cmykyellow' or define it by yourself:
   \definecolor[cmyyellow][c=0,m=0,y=1,k=0]

Cheers
vit

> Best, ChoF.

Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Vit Zyka wrote:
> Jin-Hwan Cho wrote:
> 
>> In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
>> using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
>> the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?
> 
> 
> Let check
> - \setupcolors[state=start]
> - perhaps typo 'cmyyellow -> cmykyellow' or define it by yourself:
>   \definecolor[cmyyellow][c=0,m=0,y=1,k=0]

Both were present in the example. I've created a collector item
for this. (which means that I believe it really is a bug :-))

   http://context.literatesolutions.com/collector/22/pcng_issue_view

Cheers
Taco

Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Mojca Miklavec]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> > Jin-Hwan Cho wrote:
> >
> >> In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
> >> using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
> >> the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?
> 
> Both were present in the example. I've created a collector item
> for this. (which means that I believe it really is a bug :-))

I tried

\definecolor[cmyyellow][y=1]
\definecolor[cmycyan][c=1]

and then .5[\MPcolor{cmycyan},\MPcolor{cmyyellow}]

Without the cmyk=no option, color mixing really works wrong (I get
yellow instead of green, perhaps c=.5,y=.5 would be something to
expect), but with it, my Acrobat states that the colors are not proper
cyan and yellow any more (but the exact numbers probably depend on
settings for cmky->rgb->cmyk conversion).

Well, the best conversion ever seen was the one by MS Word (when I
tried to include a cmyk pdf image into a document): blue became green,
red resulted in blue and yellow in pink ;)

About the problem of "white cmyk color"
(\definecolor[colorname][c=0,m=0,y=0,k=0]): I guess that the problem
could lie in the \doifelse loop(s) of \dododefinecolor in
colo-ini.tex. The loop simply checks if any color component is
different from zero and chooses the first suitable color space. CMYK
white is probably the only exception to this rule.
What about deciding about the color system on the basis of settings
used (r=0 => rgb or c=0 => cmy(k) or ...), before executing this
(modified) loop? Or perhaps having some predefined "zero" colors
(cmykwhite for example)? An usual rgb white can be used, but I'm not
sure if it can be properly mixed with cmyk colors then.

Mojca

Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>
>\definecolor[cmyyellow][y=1]
>\definecolor[cmycyan][c=1]
>
>and then .5[\MPcolor{cmycyan},\MPcolor{cmyyellow}]
>  
>
look in mp-spec how cmyk is defined and you'll see why it gets messed up ... cmyk expands to a special directive and .5 scales that one, if needed i can make a scale macro 

Hans 
 

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Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> 
> >
> >\definecolor[cmyyellow][y=1]
> >\definecolor[cmycyan][c=1]
> >
> >and then .5[\MPcolor{cmycyan},\MPcolor{cmyyellow}]
> >
> look in mp-spec how cmyk is defined and you'll see why it gets messed up ... cmyk expands to a special directive and .5 scales that one, if needed i can make a scale macro

I'm sorry. I could have thought about that before :(.

Mojca

Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

> Vit Zyka wrote:
>
>> Jin-Hwan Cho wrote:
>>
>>> In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
>>> using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
>>> the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?
>>
>>
>>
>> Let check
>> - \setupcolors[state=start]
>> - perhaps typo 'cmyyellow -> cmykyellow' or define it by yourself:
>>   \definecolor[cmyyellow][c=0,m=0,y=1,k=0]
>
>
> Both were present in the example. I've created a collector item
> for this. (which means that I believe it really is a bug :-))
>
>   http://context.literatesolutions.com/collector/22/pcng_issue_view

i'll add an note that taco will implement specials associated with paths in teh coming metapost release -) 

Hans 

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Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Mojca Miklavec]

Jin-Hwan Cho wrote:
> In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
> using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
> the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?

You get pretty different results depending on what you write to
\setupcolors[conversion=yes/no/always,reduction=yes/no,rgb=yes/no,cmyk=yes/no,mpcmyk=yes/no]
but I don't know what exactly they mean. The example in the manual
with \MPcolor{cmyyellow} doesn't seem to be proper "cmyk kind of
yellow" (c=0.08,m=0,y=0.89,k=0), so Hans probably used a set of setups
which handles the .5\MPcolor{cmyyellow} the same way as if it was an
"rgb yellow".

Does \setupcolors[cmyk=no] suit your needs? However, you have to be
aware that your "cmyyellow" won't be y=1 any more, but the yellow
mentioned above.

Your example results in a color that is (c=.68,m=.71,y=.64,k=.86), so
it is still "a kind of OK mixing", but the computer doesn't know in
which way you would like the colors to be mixed.


An alternative (for brighter colors in this case) is to write

.5[\MPcolor{cmyyellow},\MPcolor{cmywhite}]

if you define cmykwhite to be something like
\definecolor[cmywhite][y=0.00001]


What I don't understand is why
\definecolor[cmywhite][c=0,y=0,m=0,k=0]
is converted to black (even a warning is issued).

Mojca

Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>yellow" (c=0.08,m=0,y=0.89,k=0), so Hans probably used a set of setups
>which handles the .5\MPcolor{cmyyellow} the same way as if it was an
>"rgb yellow".
>  
>
indeed, i use slightly different red/yellow in the metafun manual -)

but i'm not sure if that is the problem here

Hans

 

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Re: MPcolor problem (CMYK)

[Hans Hagen]

Jin-Hwan Cho wrote:

> In the MetaFun manual (metafun-p.pdf) p.117, you may see an example
> using the color ".5\MPcolor{cmyyellow}". But I could not generate
> the color. Could anyone check the attached sample?

scaling of cmykcolors does not work when cmykcolors i sset to true; this is because i used colors as signals for the postprocessor and in this case the postprocessor code gets scaled and is no longer recognizable as  such and therefore it's treates as a normal color

tricky stuff 

a solution is to define the 50% color beforehand 

Hans 


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