From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/22482 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: \setupbodyfont[10dd] Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:40:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4326F2F6.5080609@wxs.nl> References: <6faad9f005091305427a32ca3e@mail.gmail.com> <4326D977.8010209@gmx.net> <6faad9f005091307335dbf95ab@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1126626396 13218 80.91.229.2 (13 Sep 2005 15:46:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:46:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Sep 13 17:46:34 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EFCvK-00049W-Q0 for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:42:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8886412824; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27894-04; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:42:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965FB12837; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:40:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0900C12837 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:40:38 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27894-03 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:40:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mailrelay01.solcon.nl (maillb.solcon.nl [212.45.32.200]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C4612824 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:40:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from server-1.pragma-net.nl (dsl-212-84-128-085.solcon.nl [212.84.128.85]) by mailrelay01.solcon.nl (8.12.11/SQL-8.12.11-5/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j8DFeU1A019449; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:40:30 +0200 Original-Received: by server-1.pragma-net.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 94FB031513; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:47:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.15] (unknown [10.100.1.15]) by server-1.pragma-net.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAC119863; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:47:11 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com, mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <6faad9f005091307335dbf95ab@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on mailrelay01 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:22482 Archived-At: Mojca Miklavec wrote: >Don't ask me why, but apparently these minimalistic differences are >pretty important in publishing. > > You're joking, aren't you? Publishing as dictated by the dtp world is only concerned about a few things: - everything should be on the grid (but manually tweak all exceptions, which are a lot) - use a lot of colors (but don't worry about about a systematic approach) - tell newbies not to use too many different fonts and sizes per page, but also don't tell them that in practice you should use as many as possible without any system in relative scaling - scale each graphic differently - tell tex users that their pdf file is wrong (probably a bitmap or so) because it's not made by their program and most importantly: - make a big fuzz about dimenions (like 8.45 point bodyfont sizes), claim to see the difference, but in practice consider adobe's bp to be the same as tex pt's and, i must not forget, - demands ragged right because it's impossible to do justification because if qe or pm cannot do it, it cannot be done anyway combined with: - set all (hyphenation etc) penalties to 10000 because it's only this ancient tex that cannot come to a solution when all those demands are to be met at the same time and, soon, - let texies turn off hz, protruding, and whatever obscure things but demands the same tweaking that id has built in but is named differently and therefore better and, yes, this one: - give texies their specs in terms of 'use the values as set in the third menu from the right, fifth entry, tenth button' and that will do it so ... in the end ... don't worry to much about small differences, because in the end nobody will contradict the designer (it's about art anyway), the printer (it was really your file that made the colors come out differently, the pages slightly smaller, the built in fonts show up weird, and so on) Hans (while looking at 100 books that are a series and supposedly were made from the same specs but messed up in the dtp process and printing) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------