From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/22920 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Idris Samawi Hamid Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: RE: bib module: multiple bibs and alphabetical order Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:16:38 -0600 Message-ID: <435C4379@webmail.colostate.edu> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1128705701 30411 80.91.229.2 (7 Oct 2005 17:21:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Oct 07 19:21:40 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ENvru-0005DE-0A for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:18:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDD212821; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05724-01; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:18:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA1D12828; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B48612828 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:16:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 05542-03-2 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:16:40 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from eagle.colostate.edu (eagle.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.90]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0EDD12821 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:16:39 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lamar.ColoState.EDU (lamar.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.75]) by eagle.colostate.edu (AIX5.1/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id j97HGcI228092 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:16:38 -0600 Original-Received: from webmail.colostate.edu (csunts4.acns.colostate.edu [129.82.100.135]) by lamar.ColoState.EDU (AIX5.3/8.11.6p2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id j97HGcD3113356 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:16:38 -0600 X-WebMail-UserID: ishamid Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002247, 00002264 X-Mailer: Infinite Mobile Delivery (Hydra) SMTP v3.62.01 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on smtp.ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:22920 Archived-At: Hi Taco, Thnx for working on this! I am confused about a couple of things though... >===== Original Message From Taco Hoekwater ===== >There is one bbl per article, but only one (global) list >of references & publications, so, for now, your bbl files >need to define bib items with unique keys. I hope this is >workable for now? In the examples I sent there was no global list. Are you saying that I need to 1. move my multiple bbl files into one global bbl file; 2. if one reference is used in more than one article, then that reference must be duplicated in the global bbl file but with a different key each time. That is, if [afghani60] is used in two articles, then I must do something like \startpublication[k=afghani60-i,... \startpublication[k=afghani60-ii,... in the global file. Is this right or am I not getting it?-) >On the project structure: I believe a project file should be >pure virtual, so that: the components are the articles, the >product is the journal issue, and the project is the journals >entire lifespan. Hmm, I have been treating each issue of the journal as a distinct project in itself. Maybe for the next volume I'll try the more abstract approach. But I don't understand how this issue affects the bib issue. >Such a structure would need a different solution from the one >I have implemented now, so we may have to revisit this part >of the module in a few weeks. Is that ok? Ok, I appreciate all u've done up to now... >> 2. Can t-bib extract the references and place them in alphabetical order, or >> do I have to still organize my bbl files alphabetically by hand (I really hope >> not->)? Automatic alphabetizing bbl file data in the output has been one of my >> major wishes for t-bib. > >The current module cannot do this, because it is unfeasible to do >sorting in TeX macros. I will investigate sorting through texutil >or something similiar, but that will need more than a few days/weeks >to implement, so definately will not be ready before tuesday. That's ok, I have to work on the next issue right after the immediate (late) issue-) >Btw, if you use bibtex, then you can do > > \setupbibtex[sort=title] > >because then bibtex does the sorting for me. :-) Does this mean that I have to create a global .bib file instead of a global .bbl file? Do I have to go back to bibtex syntax? I have have been creating bbl files by hand upto now... By the way: I have been using mswincontext.zip as my stand-alone TeX installation, and no longer update fpTeX, etc. Since t-bib is a part of ConTeXt now, does it not make sense that BibTeX also be included, at least until it is no longer needed? I'll test things shortly: Thnx for all your help! Best Idris ============================ Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523