How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

[Gerben Wierda]

I have a after={\textrule} in my \setupparagraphs but it takes too much 
space for my purpose. What can I do about that?

Thanks,

G

Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

[Peter Rolf]

Gerben Wierda wrote:
> I have a after={\textrule} in my \setupparagraphs but it takes too much
> space for my purpose. What can I do about that?
> 
\setuptextrules[
  before=,
  after=, % {\blank[small]}
  ]

Peter

> Thanks,
> 
> G
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Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

[Gerben Wierda]

On 27 Oct 2005, at 16:02, Peter Rolf wrote:

> Gerben Wierda wrote:
>
>> I have a after={\textrule} in my \setupparagraphs but it takes too  
>> much
>> space for my purpose. What can I do about that?
>>
>>
> \setuptextrules[
>   before=,
>   after=, % {\blank[small]}
>   ]

I already had

\setuptextrules
         [before=,after=,inbetween=]

but that does not work. It seems that inside my paragraph  
environment, the settings made outside it are ignored. I also do not  
have my \setupinterlinespace[medium] there (see other thread). Looks  
like a startstopparagraph problem to me.

G

Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

[Peter Rolf]

Gerben Wierda wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2005, at 16:02, Peter Rolf wrote:
> 
>> Gerben Wierda wrote:
>>
>>> I have a after={\textrule} in my \setupparagraphs but it takes too  much
>>> space for my purpose. What can I do about that?
>>>
>>>
>> \setuptextrules[
>>   before=,
>>   after=, % {\blank[small]}
>>   ]
> 
> 
> I already had
> 
> \setuptextrules
>         [before=,after=,inbetween=]
> 
> but that does not work. It seems that inside my paragraph  environment,
> the settings made outside it are ignored. I also do not  have my
> \setupinterlinespace[medium] there (see other thread). Looks  like a
> startstopparagraph problem to me.
>
I've tested it without an environment, so maybe you are right.
Have you tried to add some setups (\setuptexrules,..) to

\setupparagraphs[...][...][before=??? or command=???]

I'm sure there is a (context-)way (but I have not used this command 'til
today).

Peter
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Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

[Gerben Wierda]

On Oct 27, 2005, at 21:00, Peter Rolf wrote:

>> I already had
>>
>> \setuptextrules
>>         [before=,after=,inbetween=]
>>
>> but that does not work. It seems that inside my paragraph  
>> environment,
>> the settings made outside it are ignored. I also do not  have my
>> \setupinterlinespace[medium] there (see other thread). Looks  like a
>> startstopparagraph problem to me.
>>
> I've tested it without an environment, so maybe you are right.
> Have you tried to add some setups (\setuptexrules,..) to
>
> \setupparagraphs[...][...][before=??? or command=???]

I had tried about everything I could think of. That's the one big 
problem with ConTeXt, it's most of the tim ea matter of trial and error 
and a difficult process of trial and error even. Documentation often 
does only mentions the existence of something without an explanation 
(arguments to commands are seldomly adequately explained). I have been 
fighting with layout parameters yesterday for a document I needed to 
keep within one page.

> I'm sure there is a (context-)way (but I have not used this command 
> 'til today).

Someone should fund Hans for writing true documentation.

G

RE: How can I minimize the vertical space taken bya \textrule

[Nicolas Grilly]

Hello,

I agree with the idea that documentation of ConTeXt's commands and
parameters is rather incomplete.

I'm wondering if it's possible to have a documentation system like Java's
Javadoc. We can put comments just before commands definitions and use a
little preprocessor written in Perl or Python that parse TeX files in order
to build a ConTeXt documentation like the manual titled "ConTeXt commands".

I'm looking forward your opinion about this.

Nicolas

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On Oct 27, 2005, at 21:00, Peter Rolf wrote:

>> I already had
>>
>> \setuptextrules
>>         [before=,after=,inbetween=]
>>
>> but that does not work. It seems that inside my paragraph 
>> environment, the settings made outside it are ignored. I also do not  
>> have my \setupinterlinespace[medium] there (see other thread). Looks  
>> like a startstopparagraph problem to me.
>>
> I've tested it without an environment, so maybe you are right.
> Have you tried to add some setups (\setuptexrules,..) to
>
> \setupparagraphs[...][...][before=??? or command=???]

I had tried about everything I could think of. That's the one big problem
with ConTeXt, it's most of the tim ea matter of trial and error and a
difficult process of trial and error even. Documentation often does only
mentions the existence of something without an explanation (arguments to
commands are seldomly adequately explained). I have been fighting with
layout parameters yesterday for a document I needed to keep within one page.

> I'm sure there is a (context-)way (but I have not used this command 
> 'til today).

Someone should fund Hans for writing true documentation.

G

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Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken by a \textrule

[Hans Hagen]

Gerben Wierda wrote:

> Someone should fund Hans for writing true documentation.


there will be a book by adam and steve

Hans

Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken bya \textrule

[Hans Hagen]

Nicolas Grilly wrote:

>I agree with the idea that documentation of ConTeXt's commands and
>parameters is rather incomplete.
>
>I'm wondering if it's possible to have a documentation system like Java's
>Javadoc. We can put comments just before commands definitions and use a
>little preprocessor written in Perl or Python that parse TeX files in order
>to build a ConTeXt documentation like the manual titled "ConTeXt commands".
>
>I'm looking forward your opinion about this.
>  
>
one of the problems with a tex like system is that there is quite some 
interference, for instance, spacing is related to fonts and height/depth 
ations and such. This means that it's rather complex to describe some 
mechanisms independently, take:

\framed
  {\startlines
   whatever
   \stoplines}

- framed has its own spacing issues, either or not aligned, auto struts, 
offsets, auto width etc; these can be described (and are in several 
places) but it takes some playing around to get the picture
- startlines in itself has vertical spacing set up
- however, in this combination this before/after spacing interferes with 
auto-struts

or take footnotes: due to limitations in tex, footnotes may not be 
burried too deep in boxes, (has to do with thw way inserts are 
implemented); so, context has some workarounds which work in most cases, 
but not always ... sometimes it's not even easy to predict when 
somethign will work out

another example is splitting tables over pages: there are so many 
boundary conditions that it would take a manual on it sown

that's not to say that we should not try to describe it ... you can add 
for instance comment to the command browser in the wiki

Hans

Re: How can I minimize the vertical space taken bya \textrule

[Hans Hagen]

Nicolas Grilly wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I agree with the idea that documentation of ConTeXt's commands and
>parameters is rather incomplete.
>
>I'm wondering if it's possible to have a documentation system like Java's
>Javadoc. We can put comments just before commands definitions and use a
>little preprocessor written in Perl or Python that parse TeX files in order
>to build a ConTeXt documentation like the manual titled "ConTeXt commands".
>  
>
btw, many sources have documentation and you can typeset that -)

Hans