* [Fwd: Re: Problems with Natural Tables]
@ 2005-10-25 9:39 Vit Zyka
2005-11-06 10:55 ` Problems with Natural Tables Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2005-10-25 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello Hans,
(I guess you are the only person who can specify your previous answer),
so please, is the file 'core-ntb-new.tex' somewhere available?
Actually what I want. I have plenty of natural tables. If I want to make
closer interline space between table lines the only way I know is to
make smaller value of offset param. But after that, columns are too
close together (framed object as a core of natural table does not
distinguish between vertical and horizontal offsets). So bellow mentioned
\setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
would be nice solution.
So ones more, is the new code available?
Thank you in advance for the answer.
Vit
Hans Hagen wrote:
> Adam Duck wrote:
>
>> Eckhart Guthöhrlein <eckhart.guthoehrlein@uni-bielefeld.de> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> - how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>>>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>>>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
>>> to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
>>> \bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
>>>
>>
>> OK, That sounds reasonable. I'll try that. On the other hand this
>> means many \bTD<something>\eTD ... but one can write a macro for that,
>> I think.
>>
>>
> a next release will support:
> \input core-ntb-new.tex
>
> \starttext
>
> \showframe
>
> \setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
> \setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
I was looking for core-ntb-new.tex or 'distance' in current beta
core-ntb.tex but have not been successful. Please, where I can find it?
Thanks
Vit
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
>
> \bTABLE[option=stretch]
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-10-25 9:39 [Fwd: Re: Problems with Natural Tables] Vit Zyka
@ 2005-11-06 10:55 ` Vit Zyka
2005-11-09 12:18 ` Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2005-11-06 10:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Vit Zyka wrote:
> ...
> so please, is the file 'core-ntb-new.tex' somewhere available?
Solution of my own question, for who is interesting.
Description:
The next patch enables to define intercolumn gaps in Natural Table
(bTABLE...eTABLE) environment.
Features:
- one can distinguish the amounts of first (colsepfirst), inner
(colsepbetween), and last (colseplast) gaps.
- patch operates for both 'fit' or 'stretch' table options.
- gaps has no 'background' you have to use external one.
Example:
http://typokvitek.com/tmp/nattab-colskip.pdf
Usage:
\bTABLE[colsepbetween=2cm,colsepfirst=.3cm,colseplast=.5cm]
\bTR
\bTD A\eTD \bTD B\eTD \bTD C\eTD
\eTR
\eTABLE
Enjoy it,
vit
Patch:
-----------------------------------------------
% suppressing spurious space from setupTABLE
\let\DosetupTABLE=\setupTABLE
\def\setupTABLE[#1][#2][#3]{\DosetupTABLE[#1][#2][#3]\ignorespaces}
% new bTABLE options <dimen>: colsepbetween, colsepfirst, colseplast
\def\nexttblcol
{\doglobal\increment\colTBL\hskip\tbltblcolsepbetween\hbox{}&} % VZ
\def\begintblrow
{\noalign
{\doglobal\increment\rowTBL
\doglobal\newcounter\colTBL}%
\nexttblcol
\hskip\tbltblcolsepfirst\hskip-\tbltblcolsepbetween} % VZ
\unprotected\def\endtblrow
{\hskip-\tbltblcolsepbetween\hskip\tbltblcolseplast\hbox{}% VZ
\crcr
\noalign
{\nointerlineskip
\allowbreak
\bgroup % protect local vars
\@@tblsplitafter
\egroup
\bgroup % protect local vars
\increment\rowTBL\relax
\ifnum\rowTBL>\noftblhdnxlines\relax
\ifnum\rowTBL<\maximumrow\relax
\doifsomething\tbltblspaceinbetween{\blank[\tbltblspaceinbetween]}%
\fi
\fi
\egroup}}
\unprotected\def\endTBL
{\appendtoks
\endtbl
\to\tbltoks
\setbox\scratchbox\hbox
{\localframed
[\@@tbl\@@tbl]
[\c!frame=\v!off,\c!background=,\c!align=\v!no]
{\strut}}%
\edef\minimalcellheight{\the\ht\scratchbox}%
\dorecurse\maximumcol
{\settblaut\recurselevel\!!zeropoint % \zeropoint etc
% new
\let\xcol\recurselevel
\dorecurse\maximumrow
{\settblwd \recurselevel\xcol\!!zeropoint
\settblht \recurselevel\xcol\!!zeropoint}%
% till here
\settblwid\recurselevel\!!zeropoint}%
\dorecurse\maximumrow
{\settblhei\recurselevel\maxdimen}%
\chardef\TBLpass\plusone
\let\handleTBLcell\dohandleTBLcellA
\def\makeTBL##1##2%
{\gettbltxt{##1}{##2}}%
\def\inTBLcell##1##2%
{\ExpandBothAfter\doifinsetelse\localwidth{\v!fit,\v!broad} % user set
{}
{\scratchdimen\gettblaut\colTBL\relax
\ifdim\localwidth>\scratchdimen
\settblaut\colTBL\localwidth
\fi}}%
\setbox0\vbox{\trialtypesettingtrue \the\tbltoks}%
\ifautoTBLspread
% experimental, stretch non fixed cells to \hsize
\checktblwidthsone % trial run
\checktblwidthstwo % real run
\stretchtblwidths
\let\handleTBLcell\dohandleTBLcellB
\setbox\scratchbox\vbox{\trialtypesettingtrue \the\tbltoks}%
\else\ifdim\wd0>\hsize
\ifautoTBLhsize
\checktblwidthsone % trial run
\checktblwidthstwo % real run
\let\handleTBLcell\dohandleTBLcellB
\setbox\scratchbox\vbox{\trialtypesettingtrue \the\tbltoks}%
\fi
\else\ifautoTBLrowspan\ifnum\maximumrowspan>1 % max ?
% added jan 2002 because nx=* did no longer work
\checktblwidthsone % trial run
\checktblwidthstwo % real run
%
\let\handleTBLcell\dohandleTBLcellC
\setbox\scratchbox\vbox{\trialtypesettingtrue \the\tbltoks}%
\fi\fi\fi\fi
\let\handleTBLcell\dohandleTBLcellD
\chardef\TBLpass\plustwo
\def\makeTBL##1##2% meer in cellD
{\dimen2\zeropoint
\globalpushmacro\colTBL
\dorecurse{\gettblcol{##1}{##2}}
{\advance\dimen2 \gettblwid\colTBL
\advance\dimen2 \tbltblcolsepbetween % VZ
\increment\colTBL}%
\advance\dimen2 -\tbltblcolsepbetween % VZ
\edef\widthTBL{\the\dimen2}%
\globalpopmacro\colTBL
\setbox\scratchbox\hbox{\gettbltxt{##1}{##2}}%
\settblht{##1}{##2}{\the\ht\scratchbox}%
\settblwd{##1}{##2}{\the\wd\scratchbox}%
\ifdim\ht\scratchbox>\gettblhei{##1}\relax
\settblhei{##1}{\the\ht\scratchbox}%
\fi}%
\setbox\scratchbox\vbox{\trialtypesettingtrue \the\tbltoks}%
\checktblheightsone
\checktblheightstwo
\let\handleTBLcell\dohandleTBLcellE
\chardef\TBLpass\plusthree
\def\makeTBL##1##2%
{% height
\globalpushmacro\rowTBL
\scratchdimen\zeropoint
\def\rowTBL{##1}%
\ifnum\gettblcol{##1}{##2}=\maximumcol\relax
% case: nc=maxcolumns
\else
\dorecurse{\gettblrow{##1}{##2}}
{\advance\scratchdimen \gettblhei\rowTBL
\increment\rowTBL}%
\ifdim\scratchdimen<\gettblht{##1}{##2}\relax
\scratchdimen\gettblht{##1}{##2}\relax
\fi
\fi
\edef\heightTBL{\the\scratchdimen}%
\globalpopmacro\rowTBL
% width
\globalpushmacro\colTBL
\scratchdimen\zeropoint
\dorecurse{\gettblcol{##1}{##2}}
{\advance\scratchdimen \gettblwid\colTBL
\advance\scratchdimen \tbltblcolsepbetween % VZ
\increment\colTBL}%
\advance\scratchdimen -\tbltblcolsepbetween % VZ
\edef\widthTBL{\the\scratchdimen}%
\globalpopmacro\colTBL
% cell
\setbox\scratchbox\hbox{\gettbltxt{##1}{##2}}%
\ifnum\gettblcol{##1}{##2}=\maximumcol\relax
% case: nc=maxcolumns
\else
\scratchdimen\gettblhei{##1}%
\setbox\scratchbox\hbox
{\lower\ht\scratchbox\hbox{\raise\scratchdimen\box\scratchbox}}%
\ht\scratchbox\scratchdimen
\fi
\dp\scratchbox\zeropoint
\box\scratchbox}%
\iftraceTABLE\showtbltoks\fi
\ifnum\TBLlevel>\plusone
\@EA\notsplittblbox
\else\ifenableTBLbreak
\@EAEAEA\splittblbox
\else
\@EAEAEA\notsplittblbox
\fi\fi{\the\tbltoks}}
\unprotected\def\stretchtblwidths
{\!!dimend\zeropoint
\dorecurse\maximumcol
{\advance\!!dimend\gettblwid\recurselevel
\advance\!!dimend\tbltblcolsepbetween}% VZ
\advance\!!dimend-\tbltblcolsepbetween % VZ
\advance\!!dimend\tbltblcolsepfirst % VZ
\advance\!!dimend\tbltblcolseplast % VZ
% distribute width (stretch)
\ifdim\!!dimend<\hsize
\advance\!!dimend-\hsize
\!!dimend-\!!dimend
\divide\!!dimend\maximumcol
\dorecurse\maximumcol
{\scratchdimen\gettblwid\recurselevel
\advance\scratchdimen\!!dimend
\settblwid\recurselevel{\the\scratchdimen}}%
\fi}
\let\tbltblcolsepbetween\zeropoint
\let\tbltblcolsepfirst\zeropoint
\let\tbltblcolseplast\zeropoint
-----------------------------------------------------------
Old emails:
> Actually what I want. I have plenty of natural tables. If I want to make
> closer interline space between table lines the only way I know is to
> make smaller value of offset param. But after that, columns are too
> close together (framed object as a core of natural table does not
> distinguish between vertical and horizontal offsets). So bellow mentioned
> \setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
> would be nice solution.
>
> So ones more, is the new code available?
>
> Thank you in advance for the answer.
> Vit
>
> Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> Adam Duck wrote:
>>
>>> Eckhart Guthöhrlein <eckhart.guthoehrlein@uni-bielefeld.de> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> - how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>>>>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>>>>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
>>>> to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
>>>> \bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, That sounds reasonable. I'll try that. On the other hand this
>>> means many \bTD<something>\eTD ... but one can write a macro for that,
>>> I think.
>>>
>>>
>> a next release will support:
>> \input core-ntb-new.tex
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \showframe
>>
>> \setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
>> \setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
>
>
> I was looking for core-ntb-new.tex or 'distance' in current beta
> core-ntb.tex but have not been successful. Please, where I can find it?
>
> Thanks
> Vit
>
>> \bTABLE
>> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
>> \bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
>> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
>> \eTABLE
>>
>>
>> \bTABLE[option=stretch]
>> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
>> \bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
>> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
>> \eTABLE
>>
>> \stoptext
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-11-06 10:55 ` Problems with Natural Tables Vit Zyka
@ 2005-11-09 12:18 ` Hans Hagen
2005-11-09 14:38 ` Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-11-09 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Vit Zyka wrote:
> Vit Zyka wrote:
> > ...
>
>> so please, is the file 'core-ntb-new.tex' somewhere available?
>
i merged the 'core-ntb-new.tex' code into the main file
> Solution of my own question, for who is interesting.
>
> Description:
> The next patch enables to define intercolumn gaps in Natural Table
> (bTABLE...eTABLE) environment.
I added your patches, but renamed the keys:
\starttext
% distance mechanism, per column (H)
\start
\setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
\setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stop
% distance mechanism, per table (V)
\framed[offset=none]{%
\setupTABLE[column][2][align=left]
\setupTABLE[column][3][align=right]
\bTABLE[columndistance=2cm,leftmargindistance=.3cm,rightmargindistance=.5cm]
\bTR
\bTH[nc=3] Table head\eTH
\eTR
\bTR\bTD[nc=2] AB\eTD\bTD C\eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD[nc=2,align=left] AB\eTD\bTD C\eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD[nc=2,align=middle] AB\eTD\bTD C\eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD A\eTD\bTD B\eTD\bTD C\eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD Aa\eTD\bTD Bb\eTD\bTD Cccc\eTD\eTR
\bTR\bTD[nc=3,align=middle] ABC\eTD\eTR
\eTABLE
}
\stoptext
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-11-09 12:18 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-11-09 14:38 ` Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2005-11-09 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
> Vit Zyka wrote:
>
>> Vit Zyka wrote:
>> > ...
>>
>>> so please, is the file 'core-ntb-new.tex' somewhere available?
>>
>>
> i merged the 'core-ntb-new.tex' code into the main file
>
>> Solution of my own question, for who is interesting.
>>
>> Description:
>> The next patch enables to define intercolumn gaps in Natural Table
>> (bTABLE...eTABLE) environment.
>
>
>
> I added your patches, but renamed the keys:
Thanks, renaming makes sence.
vit
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-15 8:55 ` Hans Hagen
2005-08-15 15:19 ` Adam Duck
@ 2005-10-22 13:20 ` Vit Zyka
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2005-10-22 13:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
> Adam Duck wrote:
>
>> Eckhart Guthöhrlein <eckhart.guthoehrlein@uni-bielefeld.de> writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> - how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>>>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>>>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
>>> to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
>>> \bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
>>>
>>
>> OK, That sounds reasonable. I'll try that. On the other hand this
>> means many \bTD<something>\eTD ... but one can write a macro for that,
>> I think.
>>
>>
> a next release will support:
> \input core-ntb-new.tex
>
> \starttext
>
> \showframe
>
> \setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
> \setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
I was looking for core-ntb-new.tex or 'distance' in current beta
core-ntb.tex but have not been successful. Please, where I can find it?
Thanks
Vit
> \bTABLE
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
>
> \bTABLE[option=stretch]
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
> \bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
> \eTABLE
>
> \stoptext
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-15 15:35 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-08-15 21:35 ` Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2005-08-15 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
> Adam Duck wrote:
>
>> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>>
>> < 25 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
>>
>>
>>> a next release will support:
>>>
>>
>> This is mighty cool! I don't want to be impolite, but when will this
>> be? The deadline for my girlfriend's thesis is approaching fast ...
>>
>>
> soon, for the moment just \input the file i sent you
That is needed improvement of natural tables, thanks Hans.
---
- In my vz-new.tex is another simple improvement of nat tables. Perhaps
it can be also incorporated:
----------------------------------
\long\def\parseTH[#1]#2\eTH
{\parseTD[#1,\c!color=\tbltblheadcolor,\c!style=\tbltblheadstyle,
\c!align=\tbltblheadalign,\c!aligncharacter=\v!no]#2\eTD}
----------------------------------
See additional
\c!align=\tbltblheadalign
- and what about nc=max? = Span as much as columns as there are to the
end of line.
vit
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-15 15:19 ` Adam Duck
2005-08-15 15:35 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-08-15 15:36 ` Adam Duck
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Adam Duck @ 2005-08-15 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Adam Duck <duck@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> writes:
> Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
> < 25 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
>> a next release will support:
> This is mighty cool! I don't want to be impolite, but when will this
> be? The deadline for my girlfriend's thesis is approaching fast ...
Sorry about this mail. And thank you for the very fast response and
coding.
bye, Adam.
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-15 15:19 ` Adam Duck
@ 2005-08-15 15:35 ` Hans Hagen
2005-08-15 21:35 ` Vit Zyka
2005-08-15 15:36 ` Adam Duck
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-08-15 15:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
Adam Duck wrote:
>Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
>
>< 25 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
>
>
>>a next release will support:
>>
>>
>This is mighty cool! I don't want to be impolite, but when will this
>be? The deadline for my girlfriend's thesis is approaching fast ...
>
>
soon, for the moment just \input the file i sent you
>< 6 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
>
>
>
>>\setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
>>\setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
>>
>>
>Will this be both: the distance to the left and the right frame?
>
>
you set distances after the column (so, [c][1] means "after column 1" with the last column ignored;
doing left/right take a bit more code and time so maybe some day
Hans
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-15 8:55 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2005-08-15 15:19 ` Adam Duck
2005-08-15 15:35 ` Hans Hagen
2005-08-15 15:36 ` Adam Duck
2005-10-22 13:20 ` Vit Zyka
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Adam Duck @ 2005-08-15 15:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
< 25 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
> a next release will support:
This is mighty cool! I don't want to be impolite, but when will this
be? The deadline for my girlfriend's thesis is approaching fast ...
< 6 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
> \setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
> \setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
Will this be both: the distance to the left and the right frame?
< 28 lines deleted by Adam Duck >
bye, Adam.
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-14 22:31 ` Adam Duck
@ 2005-08-15 8:55 ` Hans Hagen
2005-08-15 15:19 ` Adam Duck
2005-10-22 13:20 ` Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-08-15 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Adam Duck wrote:
>Eckhart Guthöhrlein <eckhart.guthoehrlein@uni-bielefeld.de> writes:
>
>
>
>>Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>>
>>
>>
>>>- how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>>>
>>>
>>Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
>>to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
>>\bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
>>
>>
>OK, That sounds reasonable. I'll try that. On the other hand this
>means many \bTD<something>\eTD ... but one can write a macro for that,
>I think.
>
>
a next release will support:
\input core-ntb-new.tex
\starttext
\showframe
\setupTABLE[c][1][distance=2em]
\setupTABLE[c][2][distance=3em]
\bTABLE
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\bTABLE[option=stretch]
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \bTD test \eTD \eTR
\bTR \bTD test \eTD \bTD[nx=2] test \eTD \eTR
\eTABLE
\stoptext
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tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-14 19:13 ` Eckhart Guthöhrlein
2005-08-14 21:37 ` Vit Zyka
@ 2005-08-14 22:31 ` Adam Duck
2005-08-15 8:55 ` Hans Hagen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Adam Duck @ 2005-08-14 22:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Eckhart Guthöhrlein <eckhart.guthoehrlein@uni-bielefeld.de> writes:
> Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>
>> - how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>
> Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
> to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
> \bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
OK, That sounds reasonable. I'll try that. On the other hand this
means many \bTD<something>\eTD ... but one can write a macro for that,
I think.
>> - how do I center the whole table? This one is really crucial: my GF
>> also accepts hacks ;).
>
> \midaligned{..} works
Yep, but only if I don't split the table:
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gives
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ERROR: Missing } inserted.
--- TeX said ---
<inserted text>
}
<to be read again>
\unvcopy
\splittblboxa ...p \page \egroup \fi \fi \unvcopy
2 \ifcase \noftblnextlines...
\splittblbox ...tblsplitmethod }\splittblboxa {#1}
\fi
\eTABLE ...}}\eTBL }\removeunwantedspaces \endTBL
\stopTBLprocessing \egroup...
l.11 \eTABLE
}
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and \startalignment[middle]...\stopalignment doesn't seem to do
anything in that case.
>> - why doesn't \splitfloat{\placetable...} work with Natural Tables?
>> (They won't get splitted at all, but with tables and linetables it
>> works...)
>
> \setupTABLE[split=yes] or \setupTABLE[split=repeat]
That's not what I meant:
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doesn't split the table. The output looks exactly like the
\midaligned{} one.
bye, Adam.
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-14 21:37 ` Vit Zyka
@ 2005-08-14 22:03 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-08-14 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Vit Zyka wrote:
> Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote:
>
>> Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>>
>>> - how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
>> to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
>> \bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
>
>
> Yes, I was also thinking about that. Perhaps adding lefttext= and
> righttext= params to \framed (since table cell is framed) solves some
> problem.
>
> Imagine:
> \setupTABLE[column][1,2][align=right,lefttext=\hskip.5em]
> or
> \setupTABLE[column][3][align=left,righttext=\hskip5pt$\bullet$]
> ...
> \bTABLE
>
> \eTABLE
probably a distance parameter then (unrelated to framed); it's slightly more complex than you think because we need to take spans into account (so it shows up in prerolls etc) but it's doable
HAns
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-14 19:13 ` Eckhart Guthöhrlein
@ 2005-08-14 21:37 ` Vit Zyka
2005-08-14 22:03 ` Hans Hagen
2005-08-14 22:31 ` Adam Duck
1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2005-08-14 21:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
Eckhart Guthöhrlein wrote:
> Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
>
>>- how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
>> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
>> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>
>
> Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
> to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
> \bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
Yes, I was also thinking about that. Perhaps adding lefttext= and
righttext= params to \framed (since table cell is framed) solves some
problem.
Imagine:
\setupTABLE[column][1,2][align=right,lefttext=\hskip.5em]
or
\setupTABLE[column][3][align=left,righttext=\hskip5pt$\bullet$]
...
\bTABLE
\eTABLE
vit
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-14 15:17 Adam Duck
2005-08-14 19:13 ` Eckhart Guthöhrlein
@ 2005-08-14 19:24 ` Hans Hagen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2005-08-14 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
Adam Duck wrote:
>Hello ConTeXters,
>
>my girlfriend writes her dimploma thesis now and I talked her into
>using ConTeXt, but now I'm not sure anymore that this was the right
>thing to do. So, the problems are numerous and some of them are:
>
>- how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
>- how do I center the whole table? This one is really crucial: my GF
> also accepts hacks ;).
>- why doesn't \splitfloat{\placetable...} work with Natural Tables?
> (They won't get splitted at all, but with tables and linetables it
> works...)
>- how do I refer to tables then?
>
>I have chosen Natural Tables because they were the only one that
>splitted correctly (tables and linetables let out 2/3 of a page). So,
>that's all for now.
>
>
we need small examples showing/solving the problems
Hans
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* Re: Problems with Natural Tables
2005-08-14 15:17 Adam Duck
@ 2005-08-14 19:13 ` Eckhart Guthöhrlein
2005-08-14 21:37 ` Vit Zyka
2005-08-14 22:31 ` Adam Duck
2005-08-14 19:24 ` Hans Hagen
1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Eckhart Guthöhrlein @ 2005-08-14 19:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
Am Sonntag, den 14.08.2005, 17:17 +0200 schrieb Adam Duck:
> - how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
> columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
> "framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
Spacing is a weak point of natural tables. Afaik, there is no good way
to tune spacing. I would try using dummy colums like
\bTD[width=1em]\eTD.
> - how do I center the whole table? This one is really crucial: my GF
> also accepts hacks ;).
\midaligned{..} works
> - why doesn't \splitfloat{\placetable...} work with Natural Tables?
> (They won't get splitted at all, but with tables and linetables it
> works...)
\setupTABLE[split=yes] or \setupTABLE[split=repeat]
> - how do I refer to tables then?
If you don't put them in \placetable -- I don't know.
--
Eckhart
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* Problems with Natural Tables
@ 2005-08-14 15:17 Adam Duck
2005-08-14 19:13 ` Eckhart Guthöhrlein
2005-08-14 19:24 ` Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread
From: Adam Duck @ 2005-08-14 15:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hello ConTeXters,
my girlfriend writes her dimploma thesis now and I talked her into
using ConTeXt, but now I'm not sure anymore that this was the right
thing to do. So, the problems are numerous and some of them are:
- how do I set the spacing between a vertical line (between two
columns) and the text inside that columns? I already used
"framedoffest=-3pt", but the output is unacceptable.
- how do I center the whole table? This one is really crucial: my GF
also accepts hacks ;).
- why doesn't \splitfloat{\placetable...} work with Natural Tables?
(They won't get splitted at all, but with tables and linetables it
works...)
- how do I refer to tables then?
I have chosen Natural Tables because they were the only one that
splitted correctly (tables and linetables let out 2/3 of a page). So,
that's all for now.
bye, Adam.
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