From: Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com>
Subject: Re: What about dynamic documentation?
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 20:56:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <43A31BE2.3010207@elvenkind.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e26c22df361b6e7e2b6bec19ac01d169@u-bourgogne.fr>
Hi Jérôme,
> However, this seems rather far from the pdf manuals and does not really
> help a newbie as I am.
Definately it could be improved. In IT, almost everything is
suboptimal starting the second after it's birth.
Perhaps we should continue this discussion on the developers list,
dev-context@ntg.nl?
It is likely we will spend some other mails on this subject,
and perhaps it is better not to clutter the general list. Anybody
willing to discuss/help out can easily subscribe to that list
(even if just for a while). Is that OK?
> More precisely:
>
> 0 - Category search is missing. It is well known that searching by
> contents or by command name won't give the proper result if the search
> request is not well formed a priori.
> Each command should have a list of associated key words, allowing smart
> navigation and filtering
> For example, the sectionning commands (including toc, headers and so on)
> could be gathered in one big category.
That could be as simple as allowing users / viewers to attach one or
two key words/categories to the current commands, I think. There can
be a predefined set of those, and there will not be all that many.
It could also easily be backported to the XML data. Patrick?
> 1 - The examples oftenly need output to let the user really understand
> the effect.
> Moreover, the information available in the graphical output is more
> obvious thus more efficient.
Perhaps the examples could be fed through the Live ConTeXt, just like
the wiki examples?
> 2 - Missing code template(s) to paste into the source, copy/paste does
> noot help when really needed. Of course, I can grab them from
> contextgarden but it is there both hidden and not well formatted.
I am not sure what you mean.
> 3 - The description only concerns the command.
> Each key should also have its own description.
Yes.
> Each predefined value should also have its own description.
Also yes.
(both have been discussed before but never implemented due to lack
of manpower).
> Then the user interface can provide a layout a la headerdoc or some kind
> of rollup tooltips.
>
> 4 - The data storage model for a size range seems weird. The range 5pt
> ... 12pt is coded with an ordered list of 3 values "5pt" '..." and
> "12pt" whereas it means an unordered list of 8 values: "5pt", "6pt",
> ..., "12pt". This latter data model obviously turns into a pop up button
> with a list of sizes.
It is even a bit weirder. "5pt ... 12pt" usually stands for "any font
size that is already defined using \definebodyfont". Except on the
command itself, of course. There it means: "any font size you wish to
define for use in the other commands that use 5pt ... 12pt".
I'm smiling as I write this :-)
It really should be an abstract type, like "cd:dimension" instead of
those three values.
> 5 - The command variants might need specials (eg \setupinterlinespace).
Yes, the current solution for that command is not very nice. But
there are more than a few commands with such variant calling
conventions, and it is hard to come up with a nice-looking solution.
Suggestions for solutions are welcome.
> 6 - Sometimes the acceptable values depend on the context (eg arguments
> of \ref), it means that all the relevant information is not static and
> the data model should provide some entry points. But at first glance
> this is a very advanced feature which cost might be unaffordable.
You mean crossover functionality with reftex/auctex style programs?
Would be nice to have I assume, but hard to do portably, and not
really worth the effort if it cannot be done in a portable manner.
(always speaking from my point of view, of course. YMMV)
> Finally, it seems that the underlying data model needs more entropy.
Thermodynaics says it will probably move in the right direction, once
it starts moving ;-)
Cheers, Taco
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-16 19:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-06 13:19 Jérôme Laurens
2005-12-06 13:59 ` Taco Hoekwater
2005-12-06 14:26 ` Adam Lindsay
2005-12-16 7:31 ` Jérôme Laurens
2005-12-16 19:56 ` Taco Hoekwater [this message]
2005-12-16 23:12 ` Patrick Gundlach
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