From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/24496 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Vit Zyka Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: CSRoman again Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 20:10:05 +0100 Message-ID: <43A7058D.4080306@seznam.cz> References: <43A6D2B6.2040500@econ.muni.cz> <43A6EBCB.3070203@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1135028342 1208 80.91.229.2 (19 Dec 2005 21:39:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 21:39:02 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Dec 19 22:38:53 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EoSg5-0006vh-5v for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D35E1281E; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27674-05; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50A5127DE; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22AA127DE for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:09 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 27789-01 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from smtp.seznam.cz (smtp.seznam.cz [212.80.76.43]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 94F23127C6 for ; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 22:36:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: (qmail 8066 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2005 19:10:06 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (vit.zyka@62.240.166.134) by cetus.go.seznam.cz with ESMTPA; 19 Dec 2005 19:10:06 -0000 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <43A6EBCB.3070203@wxs.nl> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0550-3, 15.12.2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:24496 Archived-At: Hans Hagen wrote: > Hi > >> I've spent some time experimenting with LatinModern font. After all I >> was able to use it, but I found I hate it. >> 1) The have accents positioned in a ugly way (or at least, in a way >> not common in the Czech typesetting) Do you have the current version - 0.99.3? >> 2) Some accents do no work, for instance \"o (at least this doesn't work: >> \loadmapfile[psclean.map] > > > don't use that one, context will load map files for you (like il2-.....) > > it looks like you load the wrong map file > >> >> \enableregime[il2] >> ... >> B\"ohm-Bawerk >> >> Is there some way to get privately back to CS-Modern fonts? It seems >> these fonts are redefined to Latin Modern, so I can't use them. Please >> help. > > > you can take a look at type-old.tex, and copy the relevant mapping > (il2)to a local typeface file and load that one (as long as you make > sure that the definitions are seen last) > > another option is to use a private map file (or a file with > \pdfmaplines) that map the latin modern fonts to csr fonts (maybe a > better options; the metrics that tex uses are the same anyway) > > anyhow, a few remarks: > > - at the last bachotek there was a talk about czech type design and one > of the remarks was that fo rmany fonts this whole accent business was > more a matter of taste than of quality (i will not quote the speaker on > czech typesetting tradition here-) Probably Karel Horak. There was done big improvements since this time (spring 2005). So I have to support Hans's opinion. There was a HUGE discussion on the Czech TeX list before and during Boguslaw's lecture in Brno (nov 2005). The result was: - LM is suitable for Czech typesetting despite of some minor compromises followed from multinational typesetting. - Boguslaw admited some minor bugs in LM and promised to fix them. He also carried out many notes and proof sheets. - LM is much more consistent over the whole CM family. - CS Type1 has many bugs in accents (nearly in any non csr10 font). Vit > - if one goes open type (some day soon for tex) one has to live with > some general design (consistent positioning among a large range) > - computer modern was never designed with all those accented characters > in mind, and it will probably never look real great (plr, csr, vnr all > look kin dof bad unless printed on high resolutions) > - as far as i've heard, there will be some compromis cooked up for cs in > the next release of lm, and afaik after that the majority of cstug will > adopt the font, so in the end .... > - csr is a rather limited font since it only implements a small subset > of il2 (same for pl0 which also implements a subset; such subsets are a > nightmare for tex developers and stand in the way for future tex's, this > is why the lm project was started ... we need to survive) > > - just curious: do you always use cm fonts? there are other fonts with > math nowadays > > Hans > _______________________________________________ > ntg-context mailing list > ntg-context@ntg.nl > http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context