MikTeX and font problems (again)

MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

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Hello,

The following code works both under MikTeX and stand-alone ConTeXt
(however not under live.contextgarden.net), but I don't know how to
enable ec encoding (\ccaron and \Ccaron - č and Č - don't work).

\starttypescript [antykwa-poltawskiego] [ec]
  \definetypeface [antykwa-poltawskiego] [rm] [serif]
[antykwa-poltawskiego] [default] [encoding=ec]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[antykwa-poltawskiego][ec]
\setupbodyfont[antykwa-poltawskiego,rm]

The following code

\starttypescript [antykwa-torunska] [texnansi,ec] % already defined in type-exa
  \definetypeface[antykwa][rm][serif][antykwa-torunska]  
[default][encoding=\typescripttwo]
\stoptypescript
\usetypescript[antykwa-torunska][ec]
\setupbodyfont[antykwa,rm]

works under stand-alone ConTeXt, but not under MikTeX (and not under
live.contextgarden.net). It complains about "ec-antt.map - cannot open
map file" (and about some other files). It actually doesn't exist
since the files are named "antt-ec.map".

I'm completely lost regarding font problems and would appreciate any help.

Thanks,
    Mojca

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Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>I'm completely lost regarding font problems and would appreciate any help.
>  
>
this ec-* versus *-ec was one of the last minute changes for tex live 
(lm, iwona, kurier, antykwa) so tere can be a mismatch between context 
and the rest ... welcome to the font mess

(you can copy the ec-* to *-ec and vise versa to solve this; in due time 
it will solve itself)

Hans

Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

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Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
> this ec-* versus *-ec was one of the last minute changes for tex live
> (lm, iwona, kurier, antykwa) so tere can be a mismatch between context
> and the rest ... welcome to the font mess

Thanks for the explanation. I now managed to solve both problems, but
there's still a little question left.

> (you can copy the ec-* to *-ec and vise versa to solve this; in due time
> it will solve itself)

I did that, but it didn't help. The problem was solved when I copied
two files (sy-anttr.tfm and mi-anttr.tfm from your context distr. into
MikTeX). Is this a matter of different naming conventions between
LaTeX and ConTeXt or anything else? I thought that something could be
wrong in MikTeX, but the original package with Antykwa doesn't include
the two tfm files either.

> The following code works both under MikTeX and stand-alone ConTeXt
> (however not under live.contextgarden.net), but I don't know how to
> enable ec encoding (\ccaron and \Ccaron - č and Č - don't work).

Regarding the problem with missing "ccarons": Despite the fact that
antykwa pol. has ec encoding, quite some glyphs are still missing
there, while ConTeXt thinks that they are present. So I solved the
problem by using the "wrong" encoding (texnansi) again and now ConTeXt
renders those glyphs for me :)

Thanks again,
    Mojca

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Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>I did that, but it didn't help. The problem was solved when I copied
>two files (sy-anttr.tfm and mi-anttr.tfm from your context distr. into
>MikTeX). Is this a matter of different naming conventions between
>LaTeX and ConTeXt or anything else? I thought that something could be
>wrong in MikTeX, but the original package with Antykwa doesn't include
>the two tfm files either.
>  
>
no, the authors changed the names just before tex live was frozen and 
therefore it shows up in all related distributions

- change in map/enc names of lm fonts
- change in map/enc names of antykwa, iwona, kurier
- some changes in names of other files in antykwa, iwona, kurier
- removal of u* files
- probably some more things

since fonts are a sensitive area this means that it can effectively 
render a distribution useless;

the difference between latex/context is that (1) context had adapted 
those fonts early and has support in its distribution, while latex 
depends on the files that ship with the font zips and (2) that some 
metrics are maintained by latex related users and therefore changes get 
unnoticed for us

>
>Regarding the problem with missing "ccarons": Despite the fact that
>antykwa pol. has ec encoding, quite some glyphs are still missing
>there, while ConTeXt thinks that they are present. So I solved the
>problem by using the "wrong" encoding (texnansi) again and now ConTeXt
>renders those glyphs for me :)
>  
>
hm, did you tell th eauthors to add those glyphs?

Hans

Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

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Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
> >I did that, but it didn't help. The problem was solved when I copied
> >two files (sy-anttr.tfm and mi-anttr.tfm from your context distr. into
> >MikTeX). Is this a matter of different naming conventions between
> >LaTeX and ConTeXt or anything else? I thought that something could be
> >wrong in MikTeX, but the original package with Antykwa doesn't include
> >the two tfm files either.
> >
> >
> no, the authors changed the names just before tex live was frozen and
> therefore it shows up in all related distributions

If I understand correctly: in type-enc.tex there should be "mi-anttri"
and "sy-anttrz" instead of "mi-anttr" and "sy-anttr", but it cannot be
changed for some time since it would fix the behaviour in other
distributions, but would break the behaviour in TeXLive?
If this is so, it's OK.

> >Regarding the problem with missing "ccarons": Despite the fact that
> >antykwa pol. has ec encoding, quite some glyphs are still missing
> >there, while ConTeXt thinks that they are present. So I solved the
> >problem by using the "wrong" encoding (texnansi) again and now ConTeXt
> >renders those glyphs for me :)
> >
> >
> hm, did you tell th eauthors to add those glyphs?

No, just silently hoping that if they have made such a magnificent
work with Antykwa Toruńska, they may be planning to do the same with
Antykwa Półtawskiego. But yes, thanks for suggestion - I asked.

It's a pitty that (Con)TeX(t) cannot read and interpret the [messy]
.enc files, at least to be aware of some missing glyphs. :(

Thanks,
    Mojca

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Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>Hans Hagen wrote:
>  
>
>>Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I did that, but it didn't help. The problem was solved when I copied
>>>two files (sy-anttr.tfm and mi-anttr.tfm from your context distr. into
>>>MikTeX). Is this a matter of different naming conventions between
>>>LaTeX and ConTeXt or anything else? I thought that something could be
>>>wrong in MikTeX, but the original package with Antykwa doesn't include
>>>the two tfm files either.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>no, the authors changed the names just before tex live was frozen and
>>therefore it shows up in all related distributions
>>    
>>
>
>If I understand correctly: in type-enc.tex there should be "mi-anttri"
>and "sy-anttrz" instead of "mi-anttr" and "sy-anttr", but it cannot be
>changed for some time since it would fix the behaviour in other
>distributions, but would break the behaviour in TeXLive?
>  
>
broken anyway so don't worry too much  about that

>If this is so, it's OK.
>  
>
this is what i have now; is this ok with regards to the latest antykwa?

\starttypescript [math] [antykwa-torunska] [default]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-Regular]       [rm-anttr]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-RegularItalic] [mi-anttr]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-Regular]       [sy-anttr]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Extension-Regular]     [ex-anttr]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [math] [antykwa-torunska-light] [default]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-Light]        [rm-anttl]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-LightItalic]  [mi-anttl]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-Light]        [sy-anttl]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Extension-Light]      
[ex-anttr] % [ex-anttl]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [math] [antykwa-torunska-cond] [default]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-CondRegular]       
[rm-anttcr]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-CondRegularItalic] 
[mi-anttcr]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-CondRegular]       
[sy-anttcr]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Extension-CondRegular]     
[ex-anttr]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [math] [antykwa-torunska-lightcond] [default]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-CondLight]        
[rm-anttcl]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-CondLightItalic]  
[mi-anttcl]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-CondLight]        
[sy-anttcl]
  \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Extension-CondLight]      
[ex-anttr] % [ex-anttl]
\stoptypescript

>No, just silently hoping that if they have made such a magnificent
>work with Antykwa Toru�ska, they may be planning to do the same with
>Antykwa P�tawskiego. But yes, thanks for suggestion - I asked.
>  
>
as far as i know, Janusz will also update the P�tawskiego

>It's a pitty that (Con)TeX(t) cannot read and interpret the [messy]
>.enc files, at least to be aware of some missing glyphs. :(
>  
>
in due time this will happen when we go open type

Hans

Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> >Hans Hagen wrote:
> >>Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> >>
> >>>I did that, but it didn't help. The problem was solved when I copied
> >>>two files (sy-anttr.tfm and mi-anttr.tfm from your context distr. into
> >>>MikTeX). Is this a matter of different naming conventions between
> >>>LaTeX and ConTeXt or anything else? I thought that something could be
> >>>wrong in MikTeX, but the original package with Antykwa doesn't include
> >>>the two tfm files either.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>no, the authors changed the names just before tex live was frozen and
> >>therefore it shows up in all related distributions
> >>
> >>
> >
> >If I understand correctly: in type-enc.tex there should be "mi-anttri"
> >and "sy-anttrz" instead of "mi-anttr" and "sy-anttr", but it cannot be
> >changed for some time since it would fix the behaviour in other
> >distributions, but would break the behaviour in TeXLive?
> >
> >
> this is what i have now; is this ok with regards to the latest antykwa?

If these names refer to names of .tfm files, then no. (If names mean
anything else, then I don't know.)

I wasn't able to find .tfm files for the following:
>   \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-RegularItalic] [mi-anttr]
>   \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-Regular]       [sy-anttr]
>   \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Letters-LightItalic]  [mi-anttl]
>   \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-Light]        [sy-anttl]
>   \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-CondRegular] [sy-anttcr]
>   \definefontsynonym [AntykwaTorunska-Math-Symbols-CondLight] [sy-anttcl]

sy* usually bear an additional "z" at the end and mi* an additional
"i", but please check it again.

Mojca

Re: MikTeX and font problems (again)

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

>
>sy* usually bear an additional "z" at the end and mi* an additional
>"i", but please check it again.
>  
>
what a mess, maybe i should skip next years bachotek in order not to be 
exposed to new fonts and just wait till things are settled

i'll send you a file to check (also iwona and kurier); actually i did 
check it all just before tex live code freeze time but somehow things 
changed anyway

Hans