mode dependend character handling

mode dependend character handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

(This mail was rejected as spam in my first try, and the reject  
message was catched by my spam filter...)

A happy new year!

I'd like to typeset a text in both German and Swiss German orthography,
i.e. I'd like to expand "s (or the like) to ß in German and ss in  
Swiss German mode,
or even better, automagically change ß to ss in Swiss mode.

This is what I have:
\startmode[swiss]
     \def\S#1{ss\relax}
\stopmode
\startnotmode[swiss]
     \def\S#1{\sz\relax}
\stopnotmode

That forces me to use \S{} in the middle of words, very ugly.
I know this is possible in a more sophisticated way! Please?
(My favorite solution would be to make ß expand to ss in Swiss mode.)

Grüßlis vom Hraban!
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Re: mode dependend character handling

[Taco Hoekwater]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> (This mail was rejected as spam in my first try, and the reject  message 
> was catched by my spam filter...)

No doubt that's why spam for medication is so popular: you need
the medication to cope with the rest of the spam.

> A happy new year!

Likewise!

> I'd like to typeset a text in both German and Swiss German orthography,
> i.e. I'd like to expand "s (or the like) to ß in German and ss in  Swiss 
> German mode,
> or even better, automagically change ß to ss in Swiss mode.

The correct way would be to define swiss as a language, because
then you can put a suitable redefinition inside the language
specifics, but the following hack will work as well and is a lot
faster to implement (please don't tell anyone I proposed this):

   \enableregime[il1]
   \let\normalssharp\ssharp
   \def\ssharp{\doifmodeelse{swiss}{ss}{\normalssharp}}
   \starttext
   {\enablemode[swiss] Grüßlis} Grüßlis
   \stoptext

Cheers, Taco

Re: mode dependend character handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Sorry for answering that late.

> The correct way would be to define swiss as a language, because
> then you can put a suitable redefinition inside the language
> specifics, but the following hack will work as well and is a lot
> faster to implement (please don't tell anyone I proposed this):
>
>   \enableregime[il1]
>   \let\normalssharp\ssharp
>   \def\ssharp{\doifmodeelse{swiss}{ss}{\normalssharp}}

Thank you, that works and is just the right solution for my problem.

Mojca's proposal:

> \startmode[swiss]
> \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
> \stopmode

unfortunately doesn't work, at least not with utf regime and ec  
encoding.




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Re: mode dependend character handling

[Mojca Miklavec]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Mojca's proposal:
>
> > \startmode[swiss]
> > \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
> > \stopmode
>
> unfortunately doesn't work, at least not with utf regime and ec
> encoding.

Since Taco's proposal is OK, you don't need this, but I'll reply
anyway. The problem is caused by "wrong order" of commands. If you
load ec encoding AFTER this command, your new definition of ssharp
will be overridden by the encoding definition again.

Compare:

\enableregime[utf] % may be whatever, no influence

\startmode[swiss]
    \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
\stopmode
\usetypescript[modern][ec] % or texnansi
\setupbodyfont[modern]
\starttext
Maß Bier! % fails (prints ß)
\stoptext

with:

\usetypescript[modern][ec] % or texnansi
\setupbodyfont[modern]
\startmode[swiss]
    \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
\stopmode
\starttext
Maß Bier! % prints ss
\stoptext

(Since ec encoding is the default one on my system, I had to use
texnansi in order to make the example fail.)

If you use a slightly longer variant

\startencoding[ec]
    \startmode[swiss]
        \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
    \stopmode
\stopencoding

than the order of commands doesn't matter any more (but then the
automatic conversion will only work for the ec encoding).

But now my question for Taco: why does your example work in both
cases? Does \def have a higher priority than \definecharacter?

Thanks,
    Mojca

Re: mode dependend character handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-01-14 um 20:35 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
> Since Taco's proposal is OK, you don't need this, but I'll reply
> anyway. The problem is caused by "wrong order" of commands. If you
> load ec encoding AFTER this command, your new definition of ssharp
> will be overridden by the encoding definition again.
> ...
> (Since ec encoding is the default one on my system, I had to use
> texnansi in order to make the example fail.)

ec is my default encoding, too, so I didn't use any changing commands.

> \startencoding[ec]
>     \startmode[swiss]
>         \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
>     \stopmode
> \stopencoding
> than the order of commands doesn't matter any more (but then the
> automatic conversion will only work for the ec encoding).

No, it doesn't.
And I don't find any errors in the log.


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Re: mode dependend character handling

[Taco Hoekwater]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> \startencoding[ec]
>>     \startmode[swiss]
>>         \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
>>     \stopmode
>> \stopencoding
>> than the order of commands doesn't matter any more (but then the
>> automatic conversion will only work for the ec encoding).

mode processing is based on modes that are in effect
at the execution time of the \startmode macro, not
the typeset time. This would work:

   \enablemode[swiss]
   \startencoding[ec]
      \startmode[swiss]
          \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
      \stopmode
   \stopencoding

but then it would be on always, since it effectively becomes

   \startencoding[ec]
      \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
   \stopencoding

whereas without the \enablemode it becomes only:

   \startencoding[ec]
   \stopencoding

which does nothing.

HTH,

Taco

Re: mode dependend character handling

[Mojca Miklavec]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> >> \startencoding[ec]
> >>     \startmode[swiss]
> >>         \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
> >>     \stopmode
> >> \stopencoding
> >> than the order of commands doesn't matter any more (but then the
> >> automatic conversion will only work for the ec encoding).
>
> mode processing is based on modes that are in effect
> at the execution time of the \startmode macro, not
> the typeset time. This would work:
>
>    \enablemode[swiss]
>    \startencoding[ec]
>       \startmode[swiss]
>           \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
>       \stopmode
>    \stopencoding
>
> but then it would be on always, since it effectively becomes
>
>    \startencoding[ec]
>       \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
>    \stopencoding
>
> whereas without the \enablemode it becomes only:
>
>    \startencoding[ec]
>    \stopencoding
>
> which does nothing.

OK, thanks Taco. Now I understand the problem. I always compiled with or without
    texexec --mode=swiss
which worked fine. If mixing modes within the same document is
required (\enablemode/\disablemode[swiss]), it fails of course (I
didn't think about it).

Mojca

Re: mode dependend character handling

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

> OK, thanks Taco. Now I understand the problem. I always compiled  
> with or without
>     texexec --mode=swiss
> which worked fine. If mixing modes within the same document is
> required (\enablemode/\disablemode[swiss]), it fails of course (I
> didn't think about it).

Ah, ok, I didn't test with --mode, even if that will be my normal use  
case.

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Re: mode dependend character handling

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

> Sorry for answering that late.
>
>> The correct way would be to define swiss as a language, because
>> then you can put a suitable redefinition inside the language
>> specifics, but the following hack will work as well and is a lot
>> faster to implement (please don't tell anyone I proposed this):
>>
>>   \enableregime[il1]
>>   \let\normalssharp\ssharp
>>   \def\ssharp{\doifmodeelse{swiss}{ss}{\normalssharp}}
>
>
> Thank you, that works and is just the right solution for my problem.
>
> Mojca's proposal:
>
>> \startmode[swiss]
>> \definecharacter ssharp {ss}
>> \stopmode
>
>
> unfortunately doesn't work, at least not with utf regime and ec  
> encoding.

\startmode[*de]
  ...

languages have system modes (star prefix in order to prevent clashes 
with user modes)

Hans

Re: mode dependend character handling

[Mojca Miklavec]

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Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> I'd like to typeset a text in both German and Swiss German orthography,
> i.e. I'd like to expand "s (or the like) to ß in German and ss in
> Swiss German mode,

If everything is set OK in the regime you're using, this should work:

\startmode[swiss]
\definecharacter ssharp {ss}
\stopmode

Mojca

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