Sections with additional dot: a little request

Sections with additional dot: a little request

[Mojca Miklavec]

Hello Hans,

The sections in Slovenian have to be numbered wih dots at the end:

1. Introduction
2. Contents
2.1. Subsection
2.1.1. Subsubsection
2.1.2. Subsubsection
2.2. Subsection
2.3. Subsection
3. Bibliography

rather than

1  Introduction
2  Contents
2.1  Subsection
2.1.1  Subsubsection
2.1.2  Subsubsection
2.2  Subsection
2.3  Subsection
3  Bibliography

There are many commands in ConTeXt which support "delimiter" key, but
here the delimiter already stands for the dot delimiting subsequent
numbers in this case.

There's a possible solution listed on
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Dotted_number_in_caption, ie:

\def\Dot#1{#1.}
\setuphead[section][numbercommand=\Dot]
\setuplist[section][numbercommand=\Dot]
\setuplist[subsection][numbercommand=\Dot]
\setuplist[subsubsection][numbercommand=\Dot]

but this cannot be built into "languagespecifics" as such since it
interferes with user-defined "numbercommands" (if the user defines his
own numbercommand, the dot would disapear).

This is low-priority (can be circumvented and done properly if
needed), but I would be very glad if an additional keyword & its
setting could make its way into "languagespecifics" once in the future
if possible.

LaTeX people did that (not aplicable to ConTeXt at all):

\renewcommand\thepart         {\@Roman\c@part}
\renewcommand\thesection      {\@arabic\c@section.}
\renewcommand\thesubsection   {\thesection\@arabic\c@subsection}
\renewcommand\thesubsubsection{\thesubsection.\@arabic\c@subsubsection}
\renewcommand\theparagraph    {\thesubsubsection.\@arabic\c@paragraph}
\renewcommand\thesubparagraph {\theparagraph.\@arabic\c@subparagraph}

\renewcommand\appendix{\par
  \setcounter{section}{0}%
  \setcounter{subsection}{0}%
  \renewcommand\thesection{\@Alph\c@section.}}


Also, Part 1 may be written as "1. poglavje" (with dot) or "Poglavje
1" (without dot), so there has to remain an option to remove a dot
only for a certain title if necessary.

The only online reference I know (list of mistakes in babel) is
written in Slovenian
http://nl.ijs.si/gnusl/tex/tslovene/slolang/node98.html-l2#SECTION0002031400000000000000
but I guess that the content can at least partially be evident from
the TeX sources.

Once again the same comment as the last time with itemizing. If this
will ever be implemented and added, it will change the behaviour (and
break the old behaviour in a way), but I guess that there are not so
many people typesetting Slovenian in ConTeXt yet. There will be less
harm if a few old documents are fixed than if tons of other newer
documents are typeset wrong.

Thanks a lot,
    Mojca

Re: Sections with additional dot: a little request

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Hello Hans,
>
> The sections in Slovenian have to be numbered wih dots at the end:
>
> 1. Introduction
> 2. Contents
> 2.1. Subsection
> 2.1.1. Subsubsection
> 2.1.2. Subsubsection
> 2.2. Subsection
> 2.3. Subsection
> 3. Bibliography
>
> rather than
>
> 1  Introduction
> 2  Contents
> 2.1  Subsection
> 2.1.1  Subsubsection
> 2.1.2  Subsubsection
> 2.2  Subsection
> 2.3  Subsection
> 3  Bibliography
>
> There are many commands in ConTeXt which support "delimiter" key, but
> here the delimiter already stands for the dot delimiting subsequent
> numbers in this case.
>   
a quick way out: 

\setuplabeltext
  [sl]
  [chapter={{},{.}}]

\starttext

\chapter{whatever}

\mainlanguage[sl]

\chapter{whatever}

\stoptext

(we can extend that to other numbered things

it is no problem to provide some language dependent conversion handling, but then i'd like to implement everything at once (i know that hungarian also has special demands). 

so ... best is t o start meking a 'document' with proposed extensions (to which other users can add their wishes); most of what you need, is not that hard to implement, but i'd like to do it all at once 

Hans 


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Re: Sections with additional dot: a little request

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 2/18/06, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> > Hello Hans,
> >
> > The sections in Slovenian have to be numbered wih dots at the end:
> >
> > 1. Introduction
> > 2. Contents
> > 2.1. Subsection
> > 2.1.1. Subsubsection
> > 2.1.2. Subsubsection
> > 2.2. Subsection
> > 2.3. Subsection
> > 3. Bibliography
> >
> > rather than
> >
> > 1  Introduction
> > 2  Contents
> > 2.1  Subsection
> > 2.1.1  Subsubsection
> > 2.1.2  Subsubsection
> > 2.2  Subsection
> > 2.3  Subsection
> > 3  Bibliography
> >
> > There are many commands in ConTeXt which support "delimiter" key, but
> > here the delimiter already stands for the dot delimiting subsequent
> > numbers in this case.
> >
> a quick way out:
>
> \setuplabeltext
>   [sl]
>   [chapter={{},{.}}]

Thanks a lot. It's an interesting trick.

> it is no problem to provide some language dependent conversion handling, but then i'd like to implement everything at once (i know that hungarian also has special demands).
>
> so ... best is t o start meking a 'document' with proposed extensions (to which other users can add their wishes); most of what you need, is not that hard to implement, but i'd like to do it all at once

Wiki is a perfect place for such a thing. (I also have some other
half-written page about language support to be placed there.)

I can only hope that anyone is reading this and will reply or leave a
note on the wiki about his or her requests.

Thanks,
   Mojca

Re: Sections with additional dot: a little request

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>> \setuplabeltext
>>   [sl]
>>   [chapter={{},{.}}]
>>     
>
> Thanks a lot. It's an interesting trick.
>   
it's actually meant for that, it was introduced some years ago when chinese needed such features 

Hans 


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