Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Berend de Boer]

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Hello All,

I'm again hit by the disapperance of the Adoboe default fonts. When I
create a PDF document, I get the Nimbus (urw) fonts, instead of the
Adobe.

Sample doc:

=========================
\setupbodyfont
  [pos,ss,11pt]

\starttext

\subject{Test}

Of correct font.

\stoptext
=========================


.log file of pdfetex:

subject         : - Test
fonts           : using map file: original-base
fonts           : using map file: ec-public-lm
fonts           : using map file: ec-base
fonts           : using map file: original-adobe-euro
fonts           : using map file: 8r-base
fonts           : using map file: 8r-urw-times
fonts           : using map file: original-youngryu-tx
fonts           : using map file: 8r-urw-helvetica
fonts           : using map file: 8r-urw-courier
[1.1{/usr/TeX/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/font
s/map/pdftex/context/original-base.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context
/ec-public-lm.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-base.map}{/usr/Te
X/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-adobe-euro.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/
map/pdftex/context/8r-base.map}
Warning: pdfetex (file 8r-urw-times.map): cannot open font map file
{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-youngryu-tx.map}
Warning: pdfetex (file 8r-urw-helvetica.map): cannot open font map file

Warning: pdfetex (file 8r-urw-courier.map): cannot open font map file
]
systems         : end file test at line 10
 ){/usr/TeX/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc}</usr/TeX/texmf-dist/fonts/t
ype1/urw/helvetic/uhvr8a.pfb>
Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 8668 bytes).


updmap --edit gives:

  LW35 ADOBEkb
  pdftexDownloadBase14 false


I'm using the latest context. Perhaps some relevant quotes from my
cont-sys.tex:

\setupencoding[\s!default=8r] % or "ec", if you prefer
\usetypescript[berry][\defaultencoding]


- -- 
All the best,

Berend de Boer
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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Taco Hoekwater]

Berend de Boer wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> I'm again hit by the disapperance of the Adoboe default fonts. When I
> create a PDF document, I get the Nimbus (urw) fonts, instead of the
> Adobe.

The final remapping is done in 8r-base.map, as far as I can see
(in dvi mode the font 'phvr8t' is used).

If you actually have the Adobe binary font files, I suggest copying
Hans' 8r-base to a different directory such that it will be found
before the distributed one, and change the 'u' pfb names to 'p' pfb
names in the copy.

If you do _not_ have the Adobe binary fonts, then I am afraid you
have to learn to live with the URW versions. These days, a
non-embedded Helvetica seems to imply the use of Adobe Sans MM,
and I've had a production PDF rejected by a printing house because
of that.

> updmap --edit gives:
> 
>   LW35 ADOBEkb
>   pdftexDownloadBase14 false

updmap is irrelevant, ConTeXt comes with its own map files.

Cheers, Taco

Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Adam Lindsay]

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Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Berend de Boer wrote:
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>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm again hit by the disapperance of the Adoboe default fonts. When I
>> create a PDF document, I get the Nimbus (urw) fonts, instead of the
>> Adobe.
>
> If you do _not_ have the Adobe binary fonts, then I am afraid you
> have to learn to live with the URW versions. These days, a
> non-embedded Helvetica seems to imply the use of Adobe Sans MM,
> and I've had a production PDF rejected by a printing house because
> of that.

I would second what Taco says: not embedding is just asking for trouble 
from third parties. However, if you're independent or otherwise control 
everybody's viewer, try this:

\usetypescript[adobekb][8r]
\loadmapfile[8r-base-ndl]
\usetypescript[postscript][8r]    % 'pos' is deprecated
\setupbodyfont[postscript,ss,11pt]
\starttext
\showbodyfont
\subject{Test}
Of correct font.
\stoptext

> updmap is irrelevant, ConTeXt comes with its own map files.

And here's one that ConTeXt can use (after Berend gives a thorough test 
and some feedback).

[Incidentally, there is one NimbusRoman that gets embedded: that's the 
slanted version, which seems unavoidable.]

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% courier / urw

ucrb8r  Courier-Bold        "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
ucrbo8r Courier-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
ucrr8r  Courier             "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
ucrro8r Courier-Oblique     "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc

% courier / adobe

pcrb8r  Courier-Bold        "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
pcrbo8r Courier-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
pcrr8r  Courier             "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
pcrro8r Courier-Oblique     "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc

% helvetica / urw

uhvb8r  Helvetica-Bold        "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
uhvbo8r Helvetica-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
uhvr8r  Helvetica             "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
uhvro8r Helvetica-Oblique     "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc

% helvetica / adobe

phvb8r  Helvetica-Bold        "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
phvbo8r Helvetica-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
phvr8r  Helvetica             "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
phvro8r Helvetica-Oblique     "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc

% times / urw

utmb8r  Times-Bold       "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
utmbi8r Times-BoldItalic "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
utmr8r  Times-Roman      "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
utmri8r Times-Italic     "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc

utmbo8r NimbusRomNo9L-Medi       ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <utmb8a.pfb
utmro8r NimbusRomNo9L-Regu       ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <utmr8a.pfb

% times / adobe

ptmb8r  Times-Bold       "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
ptmbi8r Times-BoldItalic "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
ptmr8r  Times-Roman      "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc
ptmri8r Times-Italic     "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc

ptmbo8r NimbusRomNo9L-Medi       ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <utmb8a.pfb
ptmro8r NimbusRomNo9L-Regu       ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <utmr8a.pfb

% palatino / urw

uplb8r  URWPalladioL-Bold        <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
uplbi8r URWPalladioL-BoldItal    <8r.enc <uplbi8a.pfb
uplr8r  URWPalladioL-Roma        <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb
uplri8r URWPalladioL-Ital        <8r.enc <uplri8a.pfb

uplbo8r URWPalladioL-Bold        ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
uplro8r URWPalladioL-Roma        ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb

% palatino / adobe

pplb8r  URWPalladioL-Bold        <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
pplbi8r URWPalladioL-BoldItal    <8r.enc <uplbi8a.pfb
pplr8r  URWPalladioL-Roma        <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb
pplri8r URWPalladioL-Ital        <8r.enc <uplri8a.pfb

pplbo8r URWPalladioL-Bold        ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uplb8a.pfb
pplro8r URWPalladioL-Roma        ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uplr8a.pfb

% bookman / urw

ubkd8r  URWBookmanL-DemiBold     <8r.enc <ubkd8a.pfb
ubkdi8r URWBookmanL-DemiBoldItal <8r.enc <ubkdi8a.pfb
ubkl8r  URWBookmanL-Ligh         <8r.enc <ubkl8a.pfb
ubkli8r URWBookmanL-LighItal     <8r.enc <ubkli8a.pfb

ubkdo8r URWBookmanL-DemiBold     ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <ubkd8a.pfb
ubklo8r URWBookmanL-Ligh         ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <ubkl8a.pfb

% bookman / adobe

pbkd8r  URWBookmanL-DemiBold     <8r.enc <ubkd8a.pfb
pbkdi8r URWBookmanL-DemiBoldItal <8r.enc <ubkdi8a.pfb
pbkl8r  URWBookmanL-Ligh         <8r.enc <ubkl8a.pfb
pbkli8r URWBookmanL-LighItal     <8r.enc <ubkli8a.pfb

pbkdo8r URWBookmanL-DemiBold     ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <ubkd8a.pfb
pbklo8r URWBookmanL-Ligh         ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <ubkl8a.pfb

% chancery / urw

uzcmi8r URWChanceryL-MediItal    <8r.enc <uzcmi8a.pfb

% chancery / adobe

pzcmi8r URWChanceryL-MediItal    <8r.enc <uzcmi8a.pfb

% schoolbook / urw

uncb8r  CenturySchL-Bold         <8r.enc <uncb8a.pfb
uncbi8r CenturySchL-BoldItal     <8r.enc <uncbi8a.pfb
uncr8r  CenturySchL-Roma         <8r.enc <uncr8a.pfb
uncri8r CenturySchL-Ital         <8r.enc <uncri8a.pfb

uncbo8r CenturySchL-Bold         ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uncb8a.pfb
uncro8r CenturySchL-Roma         ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uncr8a.pfb

% schoolbook / adobe

pncb8r  CenturySchL-Bold         <8r.enc <uncb8a.pfb
pncbi8r CenturySchL-BoldItal     <8r.enc <uncbi8a.pfb
pncr8r  CenturySchL-Roma         <8r.enc <uncr8a.pfb
pncri8r CenturySchL-Ital         <8r.enc <uncri8a.pfb

pncbo8r CenturySchL-Bold         ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uncb8a.pfb
pncro8r CenturySchL-Roma         ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <uncr8a.pfb

% utopia

putb8r  Utopia-Bold              <8r.enc <putb8a.pfb
putbi8r Utopia-BoldItalic        <8r.enc <putbi8a.pfb
putr8r  Utopia-Regular           <8r.enc <putr8a.pfb
putri8r Utopia-Italic            <8r.enc <putri8a.pfb

putbo8r Utopia-Bold              ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <putb8a.pfb
putro8r Utopia-Regular           ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <putr8a.pfb

% charter

bchb8r  CharterBT-Bold           <8r.enc <bchb8a.pfb
bchbi8r CharterBT-BoldItalic     <8r.enc <bchbi8a.pfb
bchr8r  CharterBT-Roman          <8r.enc <bchr8a.pfb
bchri8r CharterBT-Italic         <8r.enc <bchri8a.pfb

bchbo8r CharterBT-Bold           ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <bchb8a.pfb
bchro8r CharterBT-Roman          ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc <bchr8a.pfb

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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Berend de Boer]

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Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:

> However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's
> viewer, try this:

Unfortunately, this doesn't work.

- -- 
Live long and prosper,

Berend de Boer
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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Adam Lindsay]

Berend de Boer wrote:
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> Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:
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>> However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's
>> viewer, try this:
> 
> Unfortunately, this doesn't work.

What fails?

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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Adam Lindsay]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
> Berend de Boer wrote:
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>> Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:
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>>> However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's
>>> viewer, try this:
>> Unfortunately, this doesn't work.
> 
> What fails?

That is to say, could you please give a more detailed report?
It works here: The attached new mapfile (in my original post) lived in a 
ConTeXt-accessible path (in this case, just the testfile's directory), 
and contained entries directly cut-and-paste from my pdftex_ndl14.map.

Some commentary on the testfile:

%D Berry doesn't work here because it's not available with 8r:
\usetypescript[adobekb][8r]
%D The adobekb typescript loads 8r-base, so we have to
%D overwrite the font embedding entries by loading this after:
\loadmapfile[8r-base-ndl]
%D The current way of triggering the 'pos' combination:
\usetypescript[postscript][8r]    % 'pos' is deprecated
\setupbodyfont[postscript,ss,11pt]
\starttext
%D Since this triggers the "slanted" variant, there will be *one*
%D NimbusRoman font embedded. The rest is left up to the viewer:
\showbodyfont
\subject{Test}
Of correct font.
\stoptext


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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Berend de Boer]

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Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:

>> What fails?
>
> That is to say, could you please give a more detailed report?

Just that it still includes the Nimbus font.

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Berend de Boer
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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Adam Lindsay]

Berend de Boer wrote:
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> Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:
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>>> What fails?
>> That is to say, could you please give a more detailed report?
> 
> Just that it still includes the Nimbus font.

Read the previous email messages. Try a test document without the 
\showbodyfont command.

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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Berend de Boer]

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Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:

> Read the previous email messages.

Ah, you included a map file, had overlooked that with my first quick
test. Wanted to try the suggestion of Taco when I would have more
time, but you already did the work. Sorry I missed that, and that
works!!

- -- 
Live long and prosper,

Berend de Boer
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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Adam Lindsay]

Berend de Boer wrote:
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> Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:
> 
>> Read the previous email messages.
> 
> Ah, you included a map file, had overlooked that with my first quick
> test. Wanted to try the suggestion of Taco when I would have more
> time, but you already did the work. Sorry I missed that, and that
> works!!

Oh good!
I was starting to doubt some of my core competencies.

Now, can you take it out for an extended spin/test? I'd like to be able 
to package it up in a way that (potentially) allows others to use it.

Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best 
left to specific users who need it?
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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Hans Hagen]

Adam Lindsay wrote:
> Berend de Boer wrote:
>   
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>> Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:
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>>     
>>> Read the previous email messages.
>>>       
>> Ah, you included a map file, had overlooked that with my first quick
>> test. Wanted to try the suggestion of Taco when I would have more
>> time, but you already did the work. Sorry I missed that, and that
>> works!!
>>     
>
> Oh good!
> I was starting to doubt some of my core competencies.
>
> Now, can you take it out for an extended spin/test? I'd like to be able 
> to package it up in a way that (potentially) allows others to use it.
>
> Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best 
> left to specific users who need it?
>   
no problem to wrap it up, as long as you warn users of the implications

Hans 

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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Berend de Boer]

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Adam Lindsay <atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk> writes:

> Now, can you take it out for an extended spin/test? I'd like to be able 
> to package it up in a way that (potentially) allows others to use
> it.

I already did. Works perfectly for every document.


> Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best 
> left to specific users who need it?

It was a core feature I used: the ability to create small PDF files
with better looking fonts than the Nimbus ones.

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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Taco Hoekwater]

Berend de Boer wrote:
>>Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best 
>>left to specific users who need it?
> 
> It was a core feature I used: the ability to create small PDF files
> with better looking fonts than the Nimbus ones.

Out of curiousity: what *does* you previewer show in the 'fonts'
dialog?

Cheers, Taco

Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Berend de Boer]

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Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> writes:

>> It was a core feature I used: the ability to create small PDF files
>> with better looking fonts than the Nimbus ones.
>
> Out of curiousity: what *does* you previewer show in the 'fonts'
> dialog?

Acrobat Reader 7.0 on Linux:

  Helvetica
        Type: Type 1
        Encoding: Custom
        Actual Font: Adobe Sans MM
        Actual Font Type: Type 1

File size: 3999 bytes.

- -- 
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Berend de Boer
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Re: Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-02-24 um 01:51 schrieb Berend de Boer:
>> Out of curiousity: what *does* you previewer show in the 'fonts'
>> dialog?
>
> Acrobat Reader 7.0 on Linux:
>
>   Helvetica
>         Type: Type 1
>         Encoding: Custom
>         Actual Font: Adobe Sans MM
>         Actual Font Type: Type 1

That means: Theres nowhere any URW Nimbus font, but simply *none*  
embedded, so Adobe Reader uses its substitution "Adobe Sans".
I guess you would be happy with the Nimbus font...

Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
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