Welcome to LMTX

Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

Hi all,

After more than a decade of mkiv and luatex it's time to move on to a 
new stage. After all, nowadays a ten-year old program is considered to 
be really old, especially for those who consider a manual typeset three 
years ago as an indication of lack of progress. Therefore: welcome to 
lua(meta)tex 2.00 and context lmtx, the follow up on luatex and mkiv, if 
you dare. It has many deep-down changes but aims to be a simple evolution.

The average user will probably not notice many differences but 
nevertheless, when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:

      http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm

Of course you should keep your current installation too. We're sure that 
there will be issues so when you run into unexpected surprises, you can 
blame us (and fall-back on the current Context beta and luatex). Of 
course with the proper mwe's (tex, metapost, lua, or a combination of 
these) we will try to solve them all, we have been testing. In due time 
more about this project will be revealed.

Hans Hagen & Alan Braslau

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Joseph Wright]

On 01/04/2019 15:55, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After more than a decade of mkiv and luatex it's time to move on to a 
> new stage. After all, nowadays a ten-year old program is considered to 
> be really old, especially for those who consider a manual typeset three 
> years ago as an indication of lack of progress. Therefore: welcome to 
> lua(meta)tex 2.00 and context lmtx, the follow up on luatex and mkiv, if 
> you dare. It has many deep-down changes but aims to be a simple evolution.
> 
> The average user will probably not notice many differences but 
> nevertheless, when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
> 
>       http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
> 
> Of course you should keep your current installation too. We're sure that 
> there will be issues so when you run into unexpected surprises, you can 
> blame us (and fall-back on the current Context beta and luatex). Of 
> course with the proper mwe's (tex, metapost, lua, or a combination of 
> these) we will try to solve them all, we have been testing. In due time 
> more about this project will be revealed.
> 
> Hans Hagen & Alan Braslau

Hi Hans,

Thanks for the link to the code. A quick install suggests that a 'hello 
world' is working nicely from ConTeXt. However, if I try what you might 
expect from me

     luametatex --ini latex.ltx

things go a bit wrong:

     This is LuaMetaTeX, Version 2.00.0  (INITEX)
     ! error:  (system): missing find_write_file callback

(I also notice there is no plain-like format for testing, or at least 
that just "luametatex" yields an error.)

Clearly things work for ConTeXt, so there must be some early Lua magic 
or similar required. Any thoughts? (I don't get a .log or any other output.)

Joseph

___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/1/2019 5:36 PM, Joseph Wright wrote:
> On 01/04/2019 15:55, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> After more than a decade of mkiv and luatex it's time to move on to a 
>> new stage. After all, nowadays a ten-year old program is considered to 
>> be really old, especially for those who consider a manual typeset 
>> three years ago as an indication of lack of progress. Therefore: 
>> welcome to lua(meta)tex 2.00 and context lmtx, the follow up on luatex 
>> and mkiv, if you dare. It has many deep-down changes but aims to be a 
>> simple evolution.
>>
>> The average user will probably not notice many differences but 
>> nevertheless, when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
>>
>>       http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
>>
>> Of course you should keep your current installation too. We're sure 
>> that there will be issues so when you run into unexpected surprises, 
>> you can blame us (and fall-back on the current Context beta and 
>> luatex). Of course with the proper mwe's (tex, metapost, lua, or a 
>> combination of these) we will try to solve them all, we have been 
>> testing. In due time more about this project will be revealed.
>>
>> Hans Hagen & Alan Braslau
> 
> Hi Hans,
> 
> Thanks for the link to the code. A quick install suggests that a 'hello 
> world' is working nicely from ConTeXt. However, if I try what you might 
> expect from me
> 
>      luametatex --ini latex.ltx
> 
> things go a bit wrong:
> 
>      This is LuaMetaTeX, Version 2.00.0  (INITEX)
>      ! error:  (system): missing find_write_file callback
> 
> (I also notice there is no plain-like format for testing, or at least 
> that just "luametatex" yields an error.)

i might cook up something plain but it has a very low priority, after 
all, plain works with luatex

> Clearly things work for ConTeXt, so there must be some early Lua magic 
> or similar required. Any thoughts? (I don't get a .log or any other 
> output.)
it's a stripped down "lean and mean" engine so it's very unlikely to 
work with plain and latex or other macro packages out of the box

a manual will come available around the context meeting, articles will 
be published the coming months and reveal a bit more

(all this involved over half a year of development and exploration, 
which itself is documented which will also surface around the ctx 
meeting or when i feel the need)

Hans

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Arthur Reutenauer]

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 651 bytes --]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> The average user will probably not notice many differences but nevertheless,
> when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
> 
>      http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm

  Fantastic!  I’m pleased to report the first issue: on Mac OS Mojave
(10.14.3) and the font Pagella, the letter ‘u’ isn’t displayed with
Apple Preview -- we can’t see anything at all.  Copypasting does work,
though.  This is more likely to be an issue with the font or Preview
since the document is displayed correctly with Acrobat Reader, I just
thought I’d report it :-)

	Best,

		Arthur

[-- Attachment #2: issue.tex --]
[-- Type: text/x-tex, Size: 47 bytes --]

\setupbodyfont[pagella]
\starttext
u
\stoptext

[-- Attachment #3: issue.pdf --]
[-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 3986 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #4: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --]

___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/1/2019 8:35 PM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> The average user will probably not notice many differences but nevertheless,
>> when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
>>
>>       http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
> 
>    Fantastic!  I’m pleased to report the first issue: on Mac OS Mojave
> (10.14.3) and the font Pagella, the letter ‘u’ isn’t displayed with
> Apple Preview -- we can’t see anything at all.  Copypasting does work,
> though.  This is more likely to be an issue with the font or Preview
> since the document is displayed correctly with Acrobat Reader, I just
> thought I’d report it :-)
The question is why. In a pdf glyphs are referred to by index in a font 
so basically there should be no issue with viewing unless a viewer does 
something magic. If the document views ok in another viewer .. does the 
page print?

For those curious ... there is a new pdf backend in place in lmtx.

Hans

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>      http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
> 
> Of course you should keep your current installation too. We're sure that
> there will be issues so when you run into unexpected surprises, you can
> blame us ...

Hello All,

I run cautiously the full path

/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex

and got:

sh: 1: luametatex: not found
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 32512

Rudolf
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 09:57:40AM +0200, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> I run cautiously the full path
> 
> /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex
> 
> and got:
> 
> sh: 1: luametatex: not found

  That’s because the luametatex binary (to which mtxrun actually only is
a symbolic link) is in the same directory.  You really need to add that
location to your PATH.

	Best,

		Arthur
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2019 10:07 AM, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 09:57:40AM +0200, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
>> I run cautiously the full path
>>
>> /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex
>>
>> and got:
>>
>> sh: 1: luametatex: not found
> 
>    That’s because the luametatex binary (to which mtxrun actually only is
> a symbolic link) is in the same directory.  You really need to add that
> location to your PATH.
Ah, so should one make it a full path link then (if possible)? It would 
make the tree not moveable so better not imo.

Hans

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Arthur Reutenauer]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 10:19:36AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Ah, so should one make it a full path link then (if possible)?

  No, it doesn’t make any difference, the binary is found anyway.  The
problem is that mtx-context itself calls luametatex, so it needs to be
in the path.

	Best,

		Arthur
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2019 9:57 AM, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>       http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
>>
>> Of course you should keep your current installation too. We're sure that
>> there will be issues so when you run into unexpected surprises, you can
>> blame us ...
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I run cautiously the full path
> 
> /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex
> 
> and got:
> 
> sh: 1: luametatex: not found
> mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 32512
Did you use the installer? I assume so. What happens if you just add 
/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin to your path?

There is a rather fundamental difference between a regular luatex/mkiv 
setup and luametatex/lmtx:

- in lmtx we only have one program, nothing else gets installed, there 
is no jit variant (and there will never be as we move on with lua: we 
use lua 5.4 here)

- mtxrun and context are both (on all platforms) symlinks to luametatex 
(can you check that? the installer should manage that)

- when installing there are no dependencies on other programs so missing 
programs cannot be a reason for a failed install

(Mojca will set up the garden and that will then be the primary source; 
the installer which is also the updater already know this.)

Hans

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

> > On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > >       http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
> > > 
> > /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex
> > 
> > and got:
> > 
> > sh: 1: luametatex: not found
> > mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 32512

> Did you use the installer? I assume so. What happens if you just add
> /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin to your path?
> 
> There is a rather fundamental difference between a regular luatex/mkiv setup
> and luametatex/lmtx:
> 
> - in lmtx we only have one program, nothing else gets installed, there is no
> jit variant (and there will never be as we move on with lua: we use lua 5.4
> here)
> 
> - mtxrun and context are both (on all platforms) symlinks to luametatex (can
> you check that? the installer should manage that)
> 
> - when installing there are no dependencies on other programs so missing
> programs cannot be a reason for a failed install
> 
> (Mojca will set up the garden and that will then be the primary source; the
> installer which is also the updater already know this.)
> 
> Hans

Hi Hans,

thank you for your response.

Yes, I did use the installer and followed the advice under "Linux 64 bit".

After having 

export PATH="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin:/home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin:$PATH" as well as

export PATH="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin:/home/sam/context-lmtx/bin:/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin:"

in my .bashrc and not forgotten "source ~/.bashrc" ofcourse :-)

my (old) mkiv context runs well:

context ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex

but

/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex

fails still with

sh: 1: luametatex: not found
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 32512


Could it have something to do with the lack of lua5.4 in my PC? lua5.3 and lua5.2
are installed.

whereis mtxrun gives:
mtxrun: /home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun

whereis context gives:
context: /usr/local/context /home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context

Rudolf
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2019 11:34 AM, Rudolf Bahr wrote:

> Could it have something to do with the lack of lua5.4 in my PC? lua5.3 and lua5.2
> are installed.
No, there are no such depencies. All is built in the binary. (The whole 
idea is to be independent of what eslse is installed.)

Does it work in a console?

Hans

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 11:41:08AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 4/2/2019 11:34 AM, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> 
> > Could it have something to do with the lack of lua5.4 in my PC? lua5.3 and lua5.2
> > are installed.
> No, there are no such depencies. All is built in the binary. (The whole idea
> is to be independent of what eslse is installed.)
> 
> Does it work in a console?
> 
> Hans
>

What do you mean exactly? All my context invoking is done in a console (and not within an
editor or whatelse).

BTW, what will be the short command in invoking lmtx-context? When I do "context prog.tex"
I'm still invoking my mkiv context.

Rudolf



___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2019 12:01 PM, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 11:41:08AM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 4/2/2019 11:34 AM, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
>>
>>> Could it have something to do with the lack of lua5.4 in my PC? lua5.3 and lua5.2
>>> are installed.
>> No, there are no such depencies. All is built in the binary. (The whole idea
>> is to be independent of what eslse is installed.)
>>
>> Does it work in a console?
>>
>> Hans
>>
> 
> What do you mean exactly? All my context invoking is done in a console (and not within an
> editor or whatelse).
> 
> BTW, what will be the short command in invoking lmtx-context? When I do "context prog.tex"
> I'm still invoking my mkiv context.
i assume that you have an independent install, i.e. not write lmtx over 
an existing one .. your bin path should only have

luametatex
mtxrun  -> luametatex
context -> luametatex
mtxrun.lua
context.lua

nothing more (in non lmtx installations mtxrun is actually a copy of 
mtxrun.lua)

Hans


-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 12:50:40PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> i assume that you have an independent install, i.e. not write lmtx over an
> existing one .. your bin path should only have
> 
> luametatex
> mtxrun  -> luametatex
> context -> luametatex
> mtxrun.lua
> context.lua
> 
> nothing more (in non lmtx installations mtxrun is actually a copy of
> mtxrun.lua)
> 
> Hans
> 


Yes, independent installation!

"ls -l ./context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/" gives the following:

lrwxrwxrwx 1 sam sam      10 Apr  2 09:15 context -> luametatex
-rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam    1315 Apr  2 09:15 context.lua
-rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 09:15 luametatex
lrwxrwxrwx 1 sam sam      10 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun -> luametatex
-rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam  684787 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun.lua

Rudolf
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 01:38:15PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> > 
> > "ls -l ./context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/" gives the following:
> > 
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 sam sam      10 Apr  2 09:15 context -> luametatex
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam    1315 Apr  2 09:15 context.lua
> > -rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 09:15 luametatex
> > lrwxrwxrwx 1 sam sam      10 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun -> luametatex
> > -rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam  684787 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun.lua


> what happens if you just copy luametatex to mtxrun and context
> 

Doing so, "ls -l /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin" now shows:

-rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 14:23 context
-rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam    1315 Apr  2 09:15 context.lua
-rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 09:15 luametatex
-rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 14:23 mtxrun
-rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam  684787 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun.lua

You can see, that "context" and "mtxrun" both have the same length (2798240).

"/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" still gives:

----------------
mtx-context     | run 1: luametatex --fmt="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en" --jobname="ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf" --lua="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui" --c:autopdf --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" --c:input="./ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin" "cont-yes.mkiv"

sh: 1: luametatex: not found
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 32512
-----------------

and "context ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" runs the old mkiv context. That is ok.

Rudolf
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2019 2:42 PM, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 01:38:15PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>>>
>>> "ls -l ./context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/" gives the following:
>>>
>>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 sam sam      10 Apr  2 09:15 context -> luametatex
>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam    1315 Apr  2 09:15 context.lua
>>> -rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 09:15 luametatex
>>> lrwxrwxrwx 1 sam sam      10 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun -> luametatex
>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam  684787 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun.lua
> 
> 
>> what happens if you just copy luametatex to mtxrun and context
>>
> 
> Doing so, "ls -l /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin" now shows:
> 
> -rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 14:23 context
> -rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam    1315 Apr  2 09:15 context.lua
> -rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 09:15 luametatex
> -rwxr--r-- 1 sam sam 2798240 Apr  2 14:23 mtxrun
> -rw-r--r-- 1 sam sam  684787 Apr  2 09:15 mtxrun.lua
> 
> You can see, that "context" and "mtxrun" both have the same length (2798240).
> 
> "/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" still gives:

maybe

mtxrun --verbose ...

gives a clue

> ----------------
> mtx-context     | run 1: luametatex --fmt="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en" --jobname="ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf" --lua="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-cache/luatex-cache/context/5fe67e0bfe781ce0dde776fb1556f32e/formats/luametatex/cont-en.lui" --c:autopdf --c:currentrun=1 --c:fulljobname="./ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" --c:input="./ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" --c:kindofrun=1 --c:maxnofruns=9 --c:texmfbinpath="/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin" "cont-yes.mkiv"
> 
> sh: 1: luametatex: not found
> mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 32512
> -----------------
> 
> and "context ABCD-Helmstedt-Lauf.tex" runs the old mkiv context. That is ok.

actually not, it should run new lmtx when it's indeed the context 
equivalent to luametatex

> Rudolf
> 


-- 

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 01:43:09PM +0200, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Off-list: please try to remove the old/regular installation from path,
> just for the test; it's probably interfering and you get one
> executable from one path and the other one from another.

Success!
Yes, both executables must have interfered. Now it works with the long command as well with the
short "context" one.

Thank you Hans and Mojca!

Rudolf
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On 02.04.19 11:34, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> whereis mtxrun gives:
> mtxrun: /home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun
> 
> whereis context gives:
> context: /usr/local/context /home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context

Hmm - you're still using your old context, it should say 
/home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun

Which shell are you running?
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Rudolf Bahr]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 12:11:00PM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On 02.04.19 11:34, Rudolf Bahr wrote:
> > whereis mtxrun gives:
> > mtxrun: /home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun
> > 
> > whereis context gives:
> > context: /usr/local/context /home/sam/context/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/context
> 
> Hmm - you're still using your old context, it should say
> /home/sam/context-lmtx/tex/texmf-linux-64/bin/mtxrun
> 
> Which shell are you running?


I'm running "bash" shell.

Rudolf
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Paul Hoffman]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> The average user will probably not notice many differences but nevertheless,
> when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
> 
>      http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm

I would love to try LMTX, but all of my computers are 32-bit.  Is there 
any chance of a 32-bit compile for Linux?

Thanks in advance,

Paul.

-- 
Paul Hoffman <nkuitse@nkuitse.com>
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/2/2019 3:15 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> The average user will probably not notice many differences but nevertheless,
>> when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
>>
>>       http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
> 
> I would love to try LMTX, but all of my computers are 32-bit.  Is there
> any chance of a 32-bit compile for Linux?
I tried to compile one but have no clue if it works so you need to check 
it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
        tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Paul Hoffman]

On Tue, Apr 02, 2019 at 04:41:40PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 4/2/2019 3:15 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
> >On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 04:55:11PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
> >>The average user will probably not notice many differences but nevertheless,
> >>when you are in for something new, you can give it a try:
> >>
> >>      http://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm
> >
> >I would love to try LMTX, but all of my computers are 32-bit.  Is there
> >any chance of a 32-bit compile for Linux?
> I tried to compile one but have no clue if it works so you need to check it.

It doesn't work for me:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
# sh install.sh
/usr/local/lmtx/bin/mtxrun: /lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.23' not found (required by /usr/local/lmtx/bin/mtxrun)
cp: cannot stat '/usr/local/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux/bin/mtxrun': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat '/usr/local/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/mtxrun.lua': No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat '/usr/local/lmtx/tex/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua/mtx-install.lua': No such file or directory

If you want to run ConTeXt everywhere, you need to adapt the path, like:

  export PATH=/usr/local/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux/bin:/usr/local/lmtx/bin:/usr/local/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux/bin:/root/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/lib/qt/bin:/usr/local/rvm/bin:/usr/share/texmf/bin:/net/sw/bin

If you run from an editor you can specify the full path to mtxrun:

  /usr/local/lmtx/tex/texmf-linux/bin/mtxrun --autogenerate --script context --autopdf ...

The following settings were used:

  server   : lmtx.contextgarden.net,lmtx.pragma-ade.com,lmtx.pragma-ade.nl
  instance : install-lmtx
  extras   :
  ownpath  : /usr/local/lmtx
  platform : linux
------------------------------------------------------------------------

And here's what ldd reports:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
# ldd -v bin/mtxrun
bin/mtxrun: /lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.23' not found (required by bin/mtxrun)
        linux-gate.so.1 (0xffffe000)
        libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb71bf000)
        libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb71ba000)
        libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb702e000)
        /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb778d000)

        Version information:
        bin/mtxrun:
                libdl.so.2 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/libdl.so.2
                libdl.so.2 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libdl.so.2
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.15) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1.3) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.4) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.7) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.17) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.11) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.2) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.3.4) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.23) => not found
                libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/libm.so.6
                libm.so.6 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libm.so.6
        /lib/libm.so.6:
                ld-linux.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1.3) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib/libc.so.6
        /lib/libdl.so.2:
                ld-linux.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1.3) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/libc.so.6
                libc.so.6 (GLIBC_2.0) => /lib/libc.so.6
        /lib/libc.so.6:
                ld-linux.so.2 (GLIBC_2.3) => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
                ld-linux.so.2 (GLIBC_PRIVATE) => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
                ld-linux.so.2 (GLIBC_2.1) => /lib/ld-linux.so.2
------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't think I can upgrade glibc, however -- I'm stuck on Slackware 
14.1 for now.

Oh well, it's no big deal for me.

Paul.

-- 
Paul Hoffman <nkuitse@nkuitse.com>
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: Welcome to LMTX

[Mojca Miklavec]

[-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 409 bytes --]

V tor., 2. apr. 2019 19:35 je oseba Paul Hoffman <nkuitse@nkuitse.com>
napisala:

> It doesn't work for me:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> # sh install.sh
> /usr/local/lmtx/bin/mtxrun: /lib/libm.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.23' not found
> (required by /usr/local/lmtx/bin/mtxrun)
>

This should be fixed once we set up the automatic builds on the build farm.

Mojca

[-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 991 bytes --]

[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 493 bytes --]

___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net
archive  : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________