From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/26467 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Taco Hoekwater Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: crossref in bibtex Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:45 +0100 Message-ID: <4422B54D.60407@elvenkind.com> References: <4422A7AF.2070101@web.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1143125507 5367 80.91.229.2 (23 Mar 2006 14:51:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Mar 23 15:51:32 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FMR91-00044c-2B for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:50:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8849C1279D; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:50:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26738-01; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:50:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C09FD12798; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DA712798 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26035-07 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (elvenknd.xs4all.nl [213.84.171.68]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id C0D3712791 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591151B641; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from glenfiddich.elvenkind.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (glenfiddich.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01678-01; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [10.10.0.6] (glenlivet.elvenkind.com [10.10.0.6]) by glenfiddich.elvenkind.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DF8138F6; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:48:47 +0100 (CET) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-7.1.20060mdk (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: ulfmartin@web.de, mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <4422A7AF.2070101@web.de> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at elvenkind.net X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:26467 Archived-At: Hi Ulf, Ulf Martin wrote: > Crossrefs don't seem to work properly. There isn't one, only a partial workaround: manually add a line of \nocite[] in your source somewhere, and at least the module will typeset the cross-referenced item itself. I will reconsider fixing this, but it is one of the more annoying things to get right. > > A hint to the solution for an expert could be the bbl file. Note that > the order of the entries is turned around: No, that is absolutely unrelated. The .bbl file in context is nothing else than a representation in TeX macros of the original .bib file(s). > (If ordered by author first, then year. Note also that in \language[de] > "vol." should be "Bd." and "p." be "S.".) Someone could create a bibl-aps-de.tex file, but I can not. It would just be a copy of bibl-aps.tex, but with german strings instead of english ones. You would still need to use an explicit language like \setuppublications[alternative=aps-de] though (because switching based on the current document language is not necessarily correct and is therefore unsupported). > Any ideas of what to do or hints where to find more info? Rgiht here, on this list. > * * * > > Additional question: what is the best way to generate the bbl file in > the project directory? (I use "Central.bib" for all my documents). > > Using > > % texexec mainsetup > > in the projects directory produces many unnecessary files (e.g. a dvi > file) as it is only meant as a setup file. You only have to generate the bbl file once, so that should not be a big burden. You could feasibly create a dummy file that is 4 or 5 lines long and has nothing but the \usemodule & \setupbibtex lines, run that, and rename the resulting bbl file. > However, proper bibliography processing is a "killer feature" for me -- > I have virtually no document whithout references. (I wonder, what the > direction of the ConText development here is; arguably, odd old BibTeX > has reached an end of its history and support for more modern and > complete, e.g. XML-based formats would be preferable (say, MODS) -- > considering the seeminly nice XML support that is already there.) Bibtex is a rather idiosyncratic and LaTeX-centric program, and it already takes some effort to make bibtex believe that ConTeXt is enough like LaTeX to make it work. I do not wish to spend much more time catering for the bizarreness that is bibtex than I already have. The next major release of the module (but don't expect a release anywhere this year) will indeed support MODS through citeproc: http://xbiblio.sourceforge.net/citeproc/ Cheers, Taco