Table Esthetics (and XML)

Table Esthetics (and XML)

[Johannes Graumann]

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Hello,

I'm a big fan of the LaTeX booktabs package - I find tables created using it
with it's 'toprule', 'bottomrule' and clippable 'cmidrule' commands the
most satisfying solution I have come across (see attachments,
especially 'table1.jpg'). After consulting the archives of this list, it
seems clear, that ConTeXt does not yet have any package of that
sophistication, but I'm dead set on writing my thesis in XML and have
ConTeXt read it ... therefore I'd like to soclicit your preferences and
ideas on how to pleasingly format tables - how do you do it?

Thanks for any input,

Joh

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Attachment sizes

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,

I have just approved two files with rather large attachments by
mistake. My apologies to everyone who is on a slow link.

To the original posters: in the future, please make large
examples available on the internet somewhere. Some of the people
on this list are on rather slow connections.

Cheers,
Taco

Re: Attachment sizes

[R S Ananda Murthy]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have just approved two files with rather large attachments by
> mistake. My apologies to everyone who is on a slow link.
>
> To the original posters: in the future, please make large
> examples available on the internet somewhere. Some of the people
> on this list are on rather slow connections.
>
> Cheers,
> Taco
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Please excuse me for the big attachment. I will not repeat this in future.
With due apologies,

Anand

Re: Attachment sizes

[Johannes Graumann]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> I have just approved two files with rather large attachments by
> mistake. My apologies to everyone who is on a slow link.
> 
> To the original posters: in the future, please make large
> examples available on the internet somewhere. Some of the people
> on this list are on rather slow connections.

I apologize for this. Being on a fast university T1 (or what ever it may be
classified as) connection I forget what other people have to work with.
Future examples will go to my home page.

Joh

Re: Table Esthetics (and XML)

[nico]

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:38:17 -0700, Johannes Graumann  
<johannes_graumann@web.de> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm a big fan of the LaTeX booktabs package - I find tables created  
> using it
> with it's 'toprule', 'bottomrule' and clippable 'cmidrule' commands the
> most satisfying solution I have come across (see attachments,
> especially 'table1.jpg'). After consulting the archives of this list, it
> seems clear, that ConTeXt does not yet have any package of that
> sophistication, but I'm dead set on writing my thesis in XML and have
> ConTeXt read it ... therefore I'd like to soclicit your preferences and
> ideas on how to pleasingly format tables - how do you do it?
>
> Thanks for any input,

Maybe this can be a start:

\starttext

\framed[frame=off,topframe=on,bottomframe=on,offset=none,rulethickness=2pt]\bgroup%
\setupTABLE[frame=off]%
\setupTABLE[column][each][distance=10pt]%
\setupTABLE[row][1][rulethickness=0.5pt,bottomframe=on]%
\setupTABLE[row][2][rulethickness=0.5pt,bottomframe=on]%
\bTABLE%
\bTR\bTD[nr=2] a \eTD\bTD[nc=2] b \eTD\bTD[nr=2] c \eTD\eTR%
\bTR\bTD b \eTD\bTD b \eTD\eTR%
\bTR\bTD a \eTD\bTD b \eTD\bTD b \eTD\bTD c \eTD\eTR%
\bTR\bTD a \eTD\bTD b \eTD\bTD b \eTD\bTD c \eTD\eTR%
\eTABLE%
\egroup

\stoptext

Regards,
BG

Re: Table Esthetics (and XML)

[Johannes Graumann]

nico wrote:
> \starttext
...
> \stoptext
And so the aggressive newbie gets to eat his words .. ;0) Thank you. There
is, however on feature missing in your example: 

\begin{tabular}{@{}llllllr@{}}
                ^^^       ^^^

Will yield the horizontal lines aligned with the start/end of the table
lines - no column spacing at the beginning and end of each row. Any
pointers on how to emulate this with TABLE?

Thanks again, Joh

Re: Table Esthetics (and XML)

[nico]

On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:17:01 -0700, Johannes Graumann  
<johannes_graumann@web.de> wrote:

> nico wrote:
>> \starttext
> ...
>> \stoptext
> And so the aggressive newbie gets to eat his words .. ;0) Thank you.

I've also played with latex tables, and really the context ones are much  
more powerfull and consistent.

> There
> is, however on feature missing in your example:
>
> \begin{tabular}{@{}llllllr@{}}
>                 ^^^       ^^^
>
> Will yield the horizontal lines aligned with the start/end of the table
> lines - no column spacing at the beginning and end of each row. Any
> pointers on how to emulate this with TABLE?

I'm not sure how it should be achieved. Maybe one of these settings fit  
your need:

% with overlay the frame rules are within the table;
% it's ok, but the table lines start a bit before the top/bottom rule
\framed[frame=off,topframe=on,bottomframe=on,offset=overlay,rulethickness=2pt]\bgroup%
\setupTABLE[frame=on]%
\setupTABLE[row][1,2][rulethickness=0.5pt,bottomframe=on]%
\bTABLE[columndistance=10pt]%

% seems ok but should we play with border margins like this?
\framed[frame=off,topframe=on,bottomframe=on,offset=none,rulethickness=2pt]\bgroup%
\setupTABLE[frame=on]%
\setupTABLE[row][1,2][rulethickness=0.5pt,bottomframe=on]%
\bTABLE[columndistance=10pt,leftmargindistance=-2pt,rightmargindistance=-2pt]%

Regards,
BG

Attachment sizes

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hi all,

A quick note from your mailing list moderator.

The maximum message size for this list is 64KB. Because
pdf documents tend to be base64 encoded during email
transport, this means that you cannot attach PDFs
larger than approximately 40KB in file size.

Please, will you keep that in mind while sending mails
to ntg-context? Having to go through the moderation list
and manually forwarding messages people is tedious and
error prone.

We will not change the size limit because there are quite
a few people here on slow links. Besides, it will never
be large enough anyway.

When you do have a large file, please email it directly
to the target persion (offlist), or, if it is meant for
everybody, put it on a web or ftp site (if you have one)
or upload it to the wiki:

   http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Upload


Thanks in advance,

Taco
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Re: Attachment sizes

[Yue Wang]

Hi,
>
> When you do have a large file, please email it directly
> to the target persion (offlist), or, if it is meant for
> everybody, put it on a web or ftp site (if you have one)
> or upload it to the wiki:
>
>  http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Special:Upload
>

Well, thanks for the explanation. I will bear this in mind when I send
email with attachment to ntg-context next time. btw, maybe we should
consider setting up a website like http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/ (maybe
paste.contextgarden.net) so that all the files won't be lost? It is
very useful to browse mailing list of previous years, but most of the
links in the mail archives became broken links now.

Yue Wang
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