TABLE: 'distance' override?

TABLE: 'distance' override?

[Johannes Graumann]

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Hello,

In my quest for tables similar to what the 'booktabs' package in LaTeX
produces, I have run into a problem: something
like '\bTABLE[distance=7.5pt]' will give me the sought for gaps in
horizontal lines, but I have trouble implementing an uninterrupted topframe
for the first and bottomframe for the last row. Is there any way of
overriding the 'distance' parameter locally, so that for example the
topframe of the first (header) row is uninterrupted, while the bottomframe
comes with the 'distance' dictated gaps? For clarification see the attached
file. While the gaps are desired for 'bottomframe' of the header row(s),
the 'topframe' should be continuous. It would be even more marvelous if I
could modify bottomframe- and topframe-rule thickness independently ... 

A recent proposal on this list to achieve the desired effect involved
putting the whole table into a frame and displaying it's top- and
bottomframe. However, that doesn't work for tables to be split over
multiple pages and I'm hunting for the most generic of all mechanisms ...

Thanks for any thoughts on this,

Joh

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          \bTABLEfoot\XMLflush{footer}\eTABLEfoot
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Re: TABLE: 'distance' override?

[Hans Hagen]

Johannes Graumann wrote:
> Hello,
>
> In my quest for tables similar to what the 'booktabs' package in LaTeX
>   
what does booktab do then 

Hans 

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Re: TABLE: 'distance' override?

[Johannes Graumann]

Hans Hagen wrote:

> what does booktab do then
> 
Have a look at
http://www.idyll.org:8081/JohSite/context/table1.jpg/view

I write there:

> A table formated with the package 'booktabs' in LaTeX. Notice the heavier,
> continuous '\toprule' and '\bottomrule' as well as the lighter and 
> interrupted lines seperating table-header and table body. Notice as well,
> that the table rules ar flush on the left and right with the table 
> entries.  

I had emulated the continuous top- and bottomrule (while using 'distance'
for the others) with a frame around the whole thing, but that prevents the
table from being splitable ...

I have not come across any ConTeXt solution yet making the rules on the left
and right edge of the table flush with the Text.

Joh

Re: TABLE: 'distance' override?

[Johannes Graumann]

After sleeping on this I realize that a more mechanistical answer to this 
may be more interesting.
When coding a table in LaTeX with 'booktabs' as the one shown in
http://www.idyll.org:8081/JohSite/context/table1.jpg/view, booktabs mainly
provides the commands '\bottomrule' and '\toprule', creating the heavier
start and end lines. The interrupted lines separating the table header from
the table body are coded explicitly (with a command I'm not sure is even
provided by 'booktabs'): '\cmidrule(r){1-1}\cmidrule(lr){2-2}\cmidrule(l
{3-3}' for a three-columned table. Bottomline is that while with the
distance solution in ConTeXt natural TABLEs the whole table is modified, a
solution like this only modifies the horizontal line targeted - and that
very flexible: the firs '\cmidrule' call anly shortens the rule on the
right ('(r)'), the second one on both sides ('(lr)') and the last one on
the left ('(l)').

In order to emulate my table style with TABLE there would be 4 things
necessary:
1) possibility to have top- and bottomframe formated independently
(different width - top heavy, bottom light; one continuous, one interrupted
(see 2.))
2) a new frame mode ('int'?) which interrupts a 'bottomframe=int' between
table columns with an automatism recognizing whether this is the first or
last column and only shortening the line on the right or left respectively.
3) Booktabs also provides an '\addlinespace' command for groupseparation ...
see separation between first and second body line in
http://www.idyll.org:8081/JohSite/context/table1.jpg/view
4) When defining tables in LaTeX, a definition like \tabular{@{}lll@{}}
yields horizontal lines terminating on the left and right flush with the
table content and not reaching to a column separation border beyond that.

If you wonder where I got all theses crazy ideas ;0):
http://www.tug.org/tex-archive/info/german/tabsatz/tabsatz.pdf by Axel
Reichert is the inspiring document (sorry - German only).

I'm not asking for this to be implemented, but I believe ConTeXt would
benefit from this.

Joh


Hans Hagen wrote:

> Johannes Graumann wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> In my quest for tables similar to what the 'booktabs' package in LaTeX
>>   
> what does booktab do then
> 
> Hans
> 
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Re: TABLE: 'distance' override?

[Hans Hagen]

Johannes Graumann wrote:
> When coding a table in LaTeX with 'booktabs' as the one shown in
> http://www.idyll.org:8081/JohSite/context/table1.jpg/view, booktabs mainly
>   
but that's a typical example of a \begintable ... \endtable kind of table

(a quick hack into TABLE is to use backgrounds drawn by mp (which is 
what we do when we need to make real fancy ones with shaded and colors 
and whatever)

Hans

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Re: TABLE: 'distance' override?

[Hans Hagen]

Johannes Graumann wrote:
> 1) possibility to have top- and bottomframe formated independently
> (different width - top heavy, bottom light; one continuous, one interrupted
> (see 2.))
>   
maybe in the future, when we have a bigger tex (would slow down the core 
\framed to much and as a result many other aspects of context)

Hans

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