* Problem with log coordinates in metafun graph module
@ 2021-12-08 10:49 Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
2021-12-10 7:34 ` Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
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From: Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context @ 2021-12-08 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey
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Dear list,
Log coordinates seem to be broken in the last version of ConTeXt/metafun/graph.
Here is my failing example
===================================
\usemodule[graph]
\starttext
\startMPcode{graph}
draw begingraph(100mm, 100mm);
setcoords(log, linear); % works fine with setcoords(linear, linear);
gdraw (1e-3, 10) -- (10, 30);
endgraph;
\stopMPcode
\stoptext
===================================
which produces nothing but works with ConTeXt ver: 2021.01.05 10:45 LMTX.
You will find attached the log file which contains
metafun > log > error: A primary expression can't begin with ','
Thank you for your help.
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Jean-Philippe Rey
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system >
system > ConTeXt ver: 2021.12.03 15:20 LMTX fmt: 2021.12.8 int: english/english
system >
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system > beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.mkiv
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system > files > jobname './mfe-graphlog', input './mfe-graphlog.tex', result './mfe-graphlog'
fonts > latin modern fonts are not preloaded
languages > language 'en' is active
open source > level 1, order 2, name './mfe-graphlog.tex'
modules > 'graph' is loaded
open source > level 2, order 3, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkiv/m-graph.mkiv'
close source > level 2, order 3, name '/Users/jprey/Applications/ConTeXt/Current/osx-64/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/modules/mkiv/m-graph.mkiv'
fonts > preloading latin modern fonts (second stage)
fonts > 'fallback modern-designsize rm 12pt' is loaded
metapost > initializing instance 'graph:1' using format 'metafun' and method 'double'
metapost > loading 'metafun' as 'metafun.mpxl' using method 'double'
metapost > initializing number mode 'double'
metapost > trace > This is MPLIB for LuaMetaTeX, version 3.11, running in double mode.
metapost > trace >
metapost > trace > loading metafun for lmtx, including the plain 1.004 base definitions
metapost > trace >
metapost > message : using number system double with precision 16
metafun > log >
metafun > log > error: A primary expression can't begin with ','
metafun > log >
metapost > trace > <inserted text> 0
metapost > trace > <to be read again> ,
metafun > log >
metafun > log > I'm afraid I need some sort of value in order to continue, so I've tentatively
inserted '0'.
metafun > log >
metapost > trace > <direct> draw begingraph(100mm, 100mm); setcoords(log, linear); gdraw (1e-3, 10) -- (10, 30); endgraph; ;
metapost > trace >
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* Re: Problem with log coordinates in metafun graph module
2021-12-08 10:49 Problem with log coordinates in metafun graph module Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
@ 2021-12-10 7:34 ` Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context
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From: Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context @ 2021-12-10 7:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing list for ConTeXt users; +Cc: Jean-Philippe Rey
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Dear list,
I dived into m-grap.mpiv and found that "log" coordinates are now called "logarithmic". So
setcoords(logarithmic, linear)
is the new way and it works with the last ConTeXt version.
Jean-Philippe,
> Le 8 déc. 2021 à 11:49, Jean-Philippe Rey via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> a écrit :
>
> Dear list,
>
> Log coordinates seem to be broken in the last version of ConTeXt/metafun/graph.
>
> Here is my failing example
>
> ===================================
> \usemodule[graph]
> \starttext
> \startMPcode{graph}
> draw begingraph(100mm, 100mm);
> setcoords(log, linear); % works fine with setcoords(linear, linear);
> gdraw (1e-3, 10) -- (10, 30);
> endgraph;
> \stopMPcode
> \stoptext
> ===================================
>
> which produces nothing but works with ConTeXt ver: 2021.01.05 10:45 LMTX.
>
> You will find attached the log file which contains
>
> metafun > log > error: A primary expression can't begin with ','
>
> Thank you for your help.
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