Re: Angle braces?

Re: Angle braces?

[Steven Robertson]

Hi Mojca,

It is more than two months old; the tetex i'm using is version 2.0.2 or
somesuch. So an upgrade is definitely due.

On the dvi v pdf question, I'm a bit confused, because I didn't mention
my actual output format. I have actually been outputting things as dvi
for reading on my computer, but printing pdfs. The same problems have
been occurring in both formats, but I might be missing the point of your
question here.

Using \char60 and \char62 gives the same results as using the characters
"<" and ">" in the text, which is are upside down question mark and
explanation mark (which I can't easily type into this email to demonstrate).

I will have a try at updating the fonts, and failing that, the whole
tetex system.

Thanks for the tip on the mirrors, and the help.
-Steven

ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote:
>>The angle braces I'm after are the ones that go around URLs in
>>citations, as in
>>
>>[12] Smith, `Article on Things', available at <www.smith.com>.
>>
>>It's been suggested to me elsewhere that I upgrade my ConTeXt version,
>>so hopefully that will help.
> 
> 
> Well ... if it's more than two months old, it might already be ancient ;)
> Also consider updating the fonts.
> 
> Why are you using dvi instead of PDF?
> 
> 
>>I'll have a look around and see if there
>>are particular angle braces that should be used for the above purpose
>>(i.e. not greater-than/less-than or guillemots--they are `double', but
>>Ithe suggestion is appreciated).
> 
> 
> The example works OK here. Which font are you using? Most probably
> either the font is old/broken or the two characters are active.
> 
> What do you get if you type:
>     foo \char60 bar\char62 foo?
> (You may never type like that, but just for debugging puposes.)
> 
> Mojca
> 
> Btw: there are two mirrors of Pragma website (see links on
> wiki.contextgarden.net).

Re: Angle braces?

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 6/10/06, Steven Robertson wrote:
> Hi Mojca,
>
> It is more than two months old; the tetex i'm using is version 2.0.2 or
> somesuch. So an upgrade is definitely due.

Well, if you want to say that "texexec --version" (now ctxtools
--contextversion) returns something around 2002, please don't ever try
to mention that on this list if you want to stay alive ;)

Best download justtext.zip and linuxtex.zip from www.pragma-ade.com,
extract them to some folder of your choice and execute ". setuptex" in
your .bashrc. And then do "ctxtools --update" every tho weeks ;)

teTeX isn't maintaind any more.

Mojca

Re: Angle braces?

[Steven Robertson]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> On 6/10/06, Steven Robertson wrote:
> 
>>Hi Mojca,
>>
>>It is more than two months old; the tetex i'm using is version 2.0.2 or
>>somesuch. So an upgrade is definitely due.
> 
> 
> Well, if you want to say that "texexec --version" (now ctxtools
> --contextversion) returns something around 2002, please don't ever try
> to mention that on this list if you want to stay alive ;)

Thanks for the safety tip :)

> 
> Best download justtext.zip and linuxtex.zip from www.pragma-ade.com,
> extract them to some folder of your choice and execute ". setuptex" in
> your .bashrc. And then do "ctxtools --update" every tho weeks ;)
> 
> teTeX isn't maintaind any more.

And thanks for these two tips too. I've since sorted out the original
angles problem by explicitly loading a font - which I think to do
otherwise, since the default worked for the most part.

Thanks for the help,
-Steven

> 
> Mojca
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> 

Re: Angle braces?

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 6/10/06, Steven Robertson wrote:
> Hi Matthias, thanks for your reply.
>
> The angle braces I'm after are the ones that go around URLs in
> citations, as in
>
> [12] Smith, `Article on Things', available at <www.smith.com>.
>
> It's been suggested to me elsewhere that I upgrade my ConTeXt version,
> so hopefully that will help.

Well ... if it's more than two months old, it might already be ancient ;)
Also consider updating the fonts.

Why are you using dvi instead of PDF?

> I'll have a look around and see if there
> are particular angle braces that should be used for the above purpose
> (i.e. not greater-than/less-than or guillemots--they are `double', but
> Ithe suggestion is appreciated).

The example works OK here. Which font are you using? Most probably
either the font is old/broken or the two characters are active.

What do you get if you type:
    foo \char60 bar\char62 foo?
(You may never type like that, but just for debugging puposes.)

Mojca

Btw: there are two mirrors of Pragma website (see links on
wiki.contextgarden.net).

Re: Angle braces?

[Steven Robertson]

Hi Matthias, thanks for your reply.

The angle braces I'm after are the ones that go around URLs in
citations, as in

[12] Smith, `Article on Things', available at <www.smith.com>.

It's been suggested to me elsewhere that I upgrade my ConTeXt version,
so hopefully that will help. I'll have a look around and see if there
are particular angle braces that should be used for the above purpose
(i.e. not greater-than/less-than or guillemots--they are `double', but
Ithe suggestion is appreciated).

Thanks,
Steven

Matthias Weber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> this depends -- different fonts contain different kinds of 'angle  
> braces',
> depending on their purpose. Do you want them for (french style)
> quotations, or for typesetting math?
> 
> The following is a set of examples -- they might look very different
> with other fonts.
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> (\langle and \rangle is math mode only I believe)
> 
> \setuplanguage [en] [rightquote=\rightguillemot,leftquote= 
> \leftguillemot]
> 
> 
> \starttext
> 
> foo \leftguillemot bar\rightguillemot{} foo
> \leftsubguillemot bar\rightsubguillemot{}
> foo $\langle \text{bar}\rangle$ foo.
> 
> 
> foo \quote{bar} foo
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 3:35 AM, Steven Robertson wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>Annoyingly simple question -- apologies -- but I'm having no luck from
>>the web. The ConTeXt wiki isn't turning up anything, and the pragma  
>>site
>>seems to be broken, so I can't access the ConTeXt manual. So:
>>
>>What are the commands in ConTeXt to get angled braces, i.e. `<' and  
>>'>'?
>>I've got is \langle and \rangle respectively, but these aren't  
>>resulting
>>in output -- the dvi has nothing where they should be - "foo bar foo"
>>instead of "foo <bar> foo". Using the braces themselves, eg
>>
>>\starttext
>>foo <bar> foo
>>\stoptext
>>
>>gives me upside-down exclamation and question marks, for left and  
>>right
>>braces respectively.
>>
>>Thanks for any help.
>>
>>-Steven
>>_______________________________________________
>>ntg-context mailing list
>>ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> 

Re: Angle braces?

[Matthias Weber]

Hi,

this depends -- different fonts contain different kinds of 'angle  
braces',
depending on their purpose. Do you want them for (french style)
quotations, or for typesetting math?

The following is a set of examples -- they might look very different
with other fonts.

Matthias


(\langle and \rangle is math mode only I believe)

\setuplanguage [en] [rightquote=\rightguillemot,leftquote= 
\leftguillemot]


\starttext

foo \leftguillemot bar\rightguillemot{} foo
\leftsubguillemot bar\rightsubguillemot{}
foo $\langle \text{bar}\rangle$ foo.


foo \quote{bar} foo
\stoptext


On Jun 7, 2006, at 3:35 AM, Steven Robertson wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Annoyingly simple question -- apologies -- but I'm having no luck from
> the web. The ConTeXt wiki isn't turning up anything, and the pragma  
> site
> seems to be broken, so I can't access the ConTeXt manual. So:
>
> What are the commands in ConTeXt to get angled braces, i.e. `<' and  
> '>'?
> I've got is \langle and \rangle respectively, but these aren't  
> resulting
> in output -- the dvi has nothing where they should be - "foo bar foo"
> instead of "foo <bar> foo". Using the braces themselves, eg
>
> \starttext
> foo <bar> foo
> \stoptext
>
> gives me upside-down exclamation and question marks, for left and  
> right
> braces respectively.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> -Steven
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context

Angle braces?

[Steven Robertson]

Hi,

Annoyingly simple question -- apologies -- but I'm having no luck from
the web. The ConTeXt wiki isn't turning up anything, and the pragma site
seems to be broken, so I can't access the ConTeXt manual. So:

What are the commands in ConTeXt to get angled braces, i.e. `<' and '>'?
I've got is \langle and \rangle respectively, but these aren't resulting
in output -- the dvi has nothing where they should be - "foo bar foo"
instead of "foo <bar> foo". Using the braces themselves, eg

\starttext
foo <bar> foo
\stoptext

gives me upside-down exclamation and question marks, for left and right
braces respectively.

Thanks for any help.

-Steven