From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/28679 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: texexec Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:07 +0200 Message-ID: <44971363.7000600@wxs.nl> References: <445A7A23.5070302@wxs.nl> <200606191746.01838.john@wexfordpress.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1150751610 3812 80.91.229.2 (19 Jun 2006 21:13:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Jun 19 23:13:26 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsR3i-0005Qf-MG for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F59127F7; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00704-04; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4594127E3; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC416127E3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:07 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32119-10 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:06 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id DB1D9127E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:13:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.102] (unverified [10.100.1.102]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 22675 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:13:05 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <200606191746.01838.john@wexfordpress.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-274017400 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:28679 Archived-At: John R. Culleton wrote: > On Thursday 04 May 2006 18:03, Hans Hagen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to make the ruby version of texexec the default. Are there any >> strong objections to this? >> >> Also, i'd like the stubs to run texmfstart as launcher. For that purpose >> i'll add a /scripts/context/stubs/[mswin|unix] path with the default stubs >> that one can copy to some bin path >> >> Hans >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE >> Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands >> tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com >> >> | www.pragma-pod.nl >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ntg-context mailing list >> ntg-context@ntg.nl >> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context >> > > I am of the school of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Ruby > seems to be one of those small-market languages like Lisp etc. > and I worry when important software becomes dependent on such > things. For example Xindy is dependent on I think Lisp and that > has handicapped its development and acceptance majorly. If > Slackware decides not to include Ruby any more then I will have a > problem. > actually, i think that in the end slackware will have a problem; i remember that when we found out that the mac didn't carry ruby, someone contacted the right people and it was in the next upgrade. also, one sees major apps showing up done in ruby, so it's a matter of time; if one sees what gets installed by default (when installing linux), i wonder why ruby isn't; on windows i think one always has to install languages (what worries me more is that one cannot depend on e.g. unzip being present) > Of course as the developer you need to use the tool that fits your > hand best. And I did test out newtexexec (through a clumsy call) > and it seemed to work ok. I think the messages are different > however. I will have to do a differential to make sure. > i used the ruby variant for quite some time now and its ok (and even better that the original) > Are there things that can be done in Ruby that can't be done > conveniently in Perl? Conversely, are there things that can be > done in Perl that are more elegant than what can be done in Ruby? > I am thinking of perl/Tk for a nice gui interface for example. > they are all lanuages, and they all come with libraries (nowadays most programming languages come with similar libraries) so that is no problem tk is supported in perl, python and ruby personally i consider programming in ruby to be more elegant so in the end all perl stuff will be converted (just take a look in context/ruby, there are already quite some scripts there) > Just worrying out loud. > no problem, Hans -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------