From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/28703 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: bib amd mods Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:19 +0200 Message-ID: <44982967.8050201@wxs.nl> References: <44980372.1000108@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1150822804 32549 80.91.229.2 (20 Jun 2006 17:00:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jun 20 18:59:53 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FsjZh-0004hQ-9E for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20300127C5; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:37 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32647-02; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D4312797; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:27 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E2312797 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 26485-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 956D11277B for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:59:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.102] (unverified [10.100.1.102]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 22832 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:59:18 +0400 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-274017400 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:28703 Archived-At: Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > I think Ulf's conclusions are right. MODS is expressive, which is why I was > originally attracted to it, but it's also more complex than it needs to be for > this sort of use case. > since we're talking databases here, i think the focus should be on what kind of (intermediate) format suits typesetting best (could be different from the databse structure) > The big question becomes, if not MODS, then what? As Ulf pointed out, my > solution -- and the one I will be advocating for OpenDoucment (I am on the TC) > -- is to use a particular RDF serialization. Indeed, I have a draft RELAX NG > schema for it, and my formatting system (citeproc) now works with it quite well. > but that's still the database part of it, isn't it ( i never really used rdf - only looked at it) > Microsoft, incidentally, is implementing pretty good bib support (that looks > suspiciously like what I've been advocating for OpenOffice!), which I've blogged > about extensively. Their XML format is not bad, though it is totally flat, which > means it won't be as flexible as MODS or RDF. More here: > > > > >> - provide converters from marcs and bibtex to mods >> - layer the bib module on top of that >> > > Curious question: would you be writing it in Lua (closer to the pdftex level), > or go more high-level (as now)? > i dunno, some manipulations now done in tex can better be done in lua, so i can imagine something - interpret xml (tex) - manipulate data (lua and tex) - typeset results (tex) a practical approach would be to start with a copy of m-bib (maybe a pet project of taco and me) and see where we end up > >> If so, who'd like to join/volunteer for subtasks >> > > I can certainly help with advice and design, particularly if you want to use CSL > to configure the output. I've made some changes to it (again) recently, but > think I'm zeroing in on freezing it. The more feedback I get, the easier it'll > be to do that. > so csl is the formatting spec thing (the oo site is not that informative; i always like to *see* code -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------