From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/28706 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ulf Martin Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: bib amd mods Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:27 +0200 Message-ID: <44982E1F.6000003@web.de> References: <44980372.1000108@wxs.nl> Reply-To: ulfmartin@web.de, mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1150823999 4660 80.91.229.2 (20 Jun 2006 17:19:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:19:59 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Jun 20 19:19:57 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Fsjt7-0007vM-Ee for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A60127E9; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:41 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04399-07-6; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1AF127E0; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F64A127E0 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 04399-07-5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de (fmmailgate02.web.de [217.72.192.227]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id AAF2B127C5 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from smtp06.web.de (fmsmtp06.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.172]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC5F3286A7 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [212.202.34.242] (helo=[212.202.34.242]) by smtp06.web.de with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (WEB.DE 4.107 #114) id 1Fsjsu-0001Zk-00 for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:19:28 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Macintosh/20060530) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: X-Sender: ulfmartin@web.de X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:28706 Archived-At: Hi again folks, IMHO a good, flexible bibliographic format that plays well with the other strength of ConTeXt (e.g. XML support) could be sort a killer feature... Bruce D'Arcus schrieb: > The big question becomes, if not MODS, then what? As Ulf pointed out, my > solution -- and the one I will be advocating for OpenDoucment (I am on the TC) > -- is to use a particular RDF serialization. Indeed, I have a draft RELAX NG > schema for it, and my formatting system (citeproc) now works with it quite well. ... > I can certainly help with advice and design, particularly if you want to use CSL > to configure the output. I've made some changes to it (again) recently, but > think I'm zeroing in on freezing it. The more feedback I get, the easier it'll > be to do that. I think the crucial point for any TeX community is the ability to use the rather huge amount of BibTeX legacy DBs. How about the state of CSL (or RDF) to BibTeX converters? bibutils uses MODS as its native intermediate format and converts from and to BibTeX (not always 100% correct, though). Summary ------- So, at present we already have: (1) MODS <-(bibutils)-> BibTeX -(bibmod)-> ConTeXt For an XML-based format in a ConTeXt context we would like to have: (2) BibTeX <-(a)-> XML -(b)-> ConTeXt using the rather nice XML processing capabilities of ConTeXt for step (b). Now, there is an XML markup for BibTeX: BibTeXML http://bibtexml.sourceforge.net/ This isn't too bad, in my experience (it is, at least, lossless, contrary to bibutils). Thus (3) BibTeX <-(bibtexml)-> BibTeXML -(b')-> ConTeXt would be an instance of (2). CSL could use XSL transformer: (4) BibTeXML <-(XSLT)-> CSL -(b")-> ConTeXt Bye Ulf