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[wwl]

Hallo!

I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce 'Schmutztitel'-page
with a following blank page. I think this is what 
\start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).

But the example bellow has first a blank page and then 
'Schmutztitel'.

There is a fourth blank page too.

-------------------------
\setuppagenumbering	[alternative=doublesided]
\setuplayout	[
                    footer=.04\paperheight,     %1
                    grid=yes,                   %2
                    marking=on,
                    location=middle,
                    width=middle,
                    height=middle]
\starttext
\startfrontmatter                               %3
\startstandardmakeup
Schmutztitel
\stopstandardmakeup
\stopfrontmatter                                %3
bla
\stoptext
-------------------------

My experiments:

- a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank 
page (strange).

- uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the 
correct behaviour.

I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for example, 
uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.

I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.

Grüße, Wolfgang

Re: frontmatter

[Peter Münster]

On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 wwl@musensturm.de wrote:

> - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank 
> page (strange).

This is normal: 'doublesided' is not equal to 'doublesided '.
And 'doublesided' requires certainly an even number of pages.

> - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the 
> correct behaviour.

Yes, very strange. It seems to be the combination of

- footer=...
- grid=yes
- height=middle
- \startfrontmatter
- \startstandardmakeup

that produces a first blank page...

Cheers, Peter

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Re: frontmatter

[Willi Egger]

Hi Wolfgang,

I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something 
fuzzy is at hand with grid=yes.
If you comment this line then the output is as expected.


Willi


wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
> Hallo!
>
> I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce 'Schmutztitel'-page
> with a following blank page. I think this is what 
> \start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
>
> But the example bellow has first a blank page and then 
> 'Schmutztitel'.
>
> There is a fourth blank page too.
>
> -------------------------
> \setuppagenumbering	[alternative=doublesided]
> \setuplayout	[
>                     footer=.04\paperheight,     %1
>                     grid=yes,                   %2
>                     marking=on,
>                     location=middle,
>                     width=middle,
>                     height=middle]
> \starttext
> \startfrontmatter                               %3
> \startstandardmakeup
> Schmutztitel
> \stopstandardmakeup
> \stopfrontmatter                                %3
> bla
> \stoptext
> -------------------------
>
> My experiments:
>
> - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank 
> page (strange).
>
> - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the 
> correct behaviour.
>
> I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for example, 
> uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
>
> I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
>
> Grüße, Wolfgang
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>   

Re: frontmatter

[Vit Zyka]

Willi Egger wrote:
> Hi Wolfgang,
> 
> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something 

Moreover:

page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both place: 
start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different setting. 
For now I am solving it by

\setupsectionblock
   [frontpart]
   [page=right,
    after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]

but it is not elegant. Can be introduced pagestart|pagestop?

Vit

> fuzzy is at hand with grid=yes.
> If you comment this line then the output is as expected.
> 
> 
> Willi
> 
> 
> wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
>> Hallo!
>>
>> I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce 'Schmutztitel'-page
>> with a following blank page. I think this is what 
>> \start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
>>
>> But the example bellow has first a blank page and then 
>> 'Schmutztitel'.
>>
>> There is a fourth blank page too.
>>
>> -------------------------
>> \setuppagenumbering	[alternative=doublesided]
>> \setuplayout	[
>>                     footer=.04\paperheight,     %1
>>                     grid=yes,                   %2
>>                     marking=on,
>>                     location=middle,
>>                     width=middle,
>>                     height=middle]
>> \starttext
>> \startfrontmatter                               %3
>> \startstandardmakeup
>> Schmutztitel
>> \stopstandardmakeup
>> \stopfrontmatter                                %3
>> bla
>> \stoptext
>> -------------------------
>>
>> My experiments:
>>
>> - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank 
>> page (strange).
>>
>> - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the 
>> correct behaviour.
>>
>> I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for example, 
>> uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
>>
>> I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
>>
>> Grüße, Wolfgang
>> _______________________________________________
>> ntg-context mailing list
>> ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>   
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Re: frontmatter

[Hans Hagen]

Vit Zyka wrote:
> Willi Egger wrote:
>   
>> Hi Wolfgang,
>>
>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something 
>>     
>
> Moreover:
>
> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both place: 
> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different setting. 
> For now I am solving it by
>
> \setupsectionblock
>    [frontpart]
>    [page=right,
>     after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
>   
the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that it was textheight related) 

Hans 

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Re: frontmatter

[Vit Zyka]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Vit Zyka wrote:
>> Willi Egger wrote:
>>   
>>> Hi Wolfgang,
>>>
>>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
>>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something 
>>>     
>> Moreover:
>>
>> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both place: 
>> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different setting. 
>> For now I am solving it by
>>
>> \setupsectionblock
>>    [frontpart]
>>    [page=right,
>>     after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
>>   
> the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that it was textheight related) 
> 
> Hans 

Good news the bug was fixed.

What I proposed was not related to mentioned error. It just recalled me 
this problem of coupled 'page' option and the need to be split.

Vit

Re: frontmatter

[Vit Zyka]

wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
>>>>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the
>> "Schmutztitel".
>>>>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. -
>> Something 
>>>>>     
>>>> Moreover:
>>>>
>>>> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both
>> place: 
>>>> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different
>> setting. 
>>>> For now I am solving it by
>>>>
>>>> \setupsectionblock
>>>>    [frontpart]
>>>>    [page=right,
>>>>     after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
>>>>   
>>> the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due
>> to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that
>> (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that
>> it was textheight related) 
>>> Hans 
>> Good news the bug was fixed.
>>
>> What I proposed was not related to mentioned error. It just recalled
>> me 
>> this problem of coupled 'page' option and the need to be split.
>>
>> Vit
> 
> Can you make a little example where a split 'page' option is from 
> use?

When you want the frontmatter starts et right (odd) page and mainmatter 
at arbitrary one.

Setting:
   \setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=right]
put
   \page[right]
at
   \startfrontmatter
and also at
   \stopfrontmatter
and that is why following mainmatter may skip even page starting at 
right one. My solution is above but it is not user friendly.

Vit

> Wolfgang
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Re: frontmatter

[wwl]

> >>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the
> "Schmutztitel".
> >>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. -
> Something 
> >>>     
> >> Moreover:
> >>
> >> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both
> place: 
> >> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different
> setting. 
> >> For now I am solving it by
> >>
> >> \setupsectionblock
> >>    [frontpart]
> >>    [page=right,
> >>     after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
> >>   
> > the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due
> to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that
> (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that
> it was textheight related) 
> > 
> > Hans 
> 
> Good news the bug was fixed.
> 
> What I proposed was not related to mentioned error. It just recalled
> me 
> this problem of coupled 'page' option and the need to be split.
> 
> Vit

Can you make a little example where a split 'page' option is from 
use?

Wolfgang

Re: frontmatter

[wwl]

> the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due
> to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that
> (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that
> it was textheight related) 
> 
> Hans 

Thank you, Hans and Taco!

It works now as expected.

Wolfgang

Re: frontmatter

[wwl]

> Hi Wolfgang,
> 
> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the
> "Schmutztitel".

But a blank page before!

> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. -

No that doesn't help.
And it shouldn't be necessary. Right?

> Something 
> fuzzy is at hand with grid=yes.
> If you comment this line then the output is as expected.

I know. I wrote that. I found 3 positions which, commenting this 
lines, correct the problem.

But I don't understand WHY this helps and why the example doesn't 
works.

> 
> 
> Willi
> 
> 
> wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
> > Hallo!
> >
> > I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce
> 'Schmutztitel'-page
> > with a following blank page. I think this is what 
> > \start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
> >
> > But the example bellow has first a blank page and then 
> > 'Schmutztitel'.
> >
> > There is a fourth blank page too.
> >
> > -------------------------
> > \setuppagenumbering	[alternative=doublesided]
> > \setuplayout	[
> >                     footer=.04\paperheight,     %1
> >                     grid=yes,                   %2
> >                     marking=on,
> >                     location=middle,
> >                     width=middle,
> >                     height=middle]
> > \starttext
> > \startfrontmatter                               %3
> > \startstandardmakeup
> > Schmutztitel
> > \stopstandardmakeup
> > \stopfrontmatter                                %3
> > bla
> > \stoptext
> > -------------------------
> >
> > My experiments:
> >
> > - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last
> blank 
> > page (strange).
> >
> > - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in
> the 
> > correct behaviour.
> >
> > I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for
> example, 
> > uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
> >
> > I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
> >
> > Gr??e, Wolfgang

Re: frontmatter

[wwl]

> > - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last
> blank 
> > page (strange).
> 
> This is normal: 'doublesided' is not equal to 'doublesided '.
> And 'doublesided' requires certainly an even number of pages.

Ohh! But a leading space has no effekt.
What is the exact syntax for parameters?

Wolfgang