* Re: frontmatter
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@ 2006-06-22 22:35 ` wwl
2006-06-22 23:29 ` frontmatter Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: wwl @ 2006-06-22 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
> >>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the
> "Schmutztitel".
> >>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. -
> Something
> >>>
> >> Moreover:
> >>
> >> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both
> place:
> >> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different
> setting.
> >> For now I am solving it by
> >>
> >> \setupsectionblock
> >> [frontpart]
> >> [page=right,
> >> after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
> >>
> > the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due
> to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that
> (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that
> it was textheight related)
> >
> > Hans
>
> Good news the bug was fixed.
>
> What I proposed was not related to mentioned error. It just recalled
> me
> this problem of coupled 'page' option and the need to be split.
>
> Vit
Can you make a little example where a split 'page' option is from
use?
Wolfgang
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* Re: frontmatter
2006-06-22 22:35 ` frontmatter wwl
@ 2006-06-22 23:29 ` Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2006-06-22 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
>>>>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the
>> "Schmutztitel".
>>>>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. -
>> Something
>>>>>
>>>> Moreover:
>>>>
>>>> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both
>> place:
>>>> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different
>> setting.
>>>> For now I am solving it by
>>>>
>>>> \setupsectionblock
>>>> [frontpart]
>>>> [page=right,
>>>> after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
>>>>
>>> the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due
>> to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that
>> (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that
>> it was textheight related)
>>> Hans
>> Good news the bug was fixed.
>>
>> What I proposed was not related to mentioned error. It just recalled
>> me
>> this problem of coupled 'page' option and the need to be split.
>>
>> Vit
>
> Can you make a little example where a split 'page' option is from
> use?
When you want the frontmatter starts et right (odd) page and mainmatter
at arbitrary one.
Setting:
\setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=right]
put
\page[right]
at
\startfrontmatter
and also at
\stopfrontmatter
and that is why following mainmatter may skip even page starting at
right one. My solution is above but it is not user friendly.
Vit
> Wolfgang
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* Re: frontmatter
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@ 2006-06-22 6:52 ` wwl
2006-06-22 6:52 ` frontmatter wwl
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: wwl @ 2006-06-22 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
> > - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last
> blank
> > page (strange).
>
> This is normal: 'doublesided' is not equal to 'doublesided '.
> And 'doublesided' requires certainly an even number of pages.
Ohh! But a leading space has no effekt.
What is the exact syntax for parameters?
Wolfgang
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* Re: frontmatter
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2006-06-22 6:52 ` frontmatter wwl
@ 2006-06-22 6:52 ` wwl
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: wwl @ 2006-06-22 6:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the
> "Schmutztitel".
But a blank page before!
> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. -
No that doesn't help.
And it shouldn't be necessary. Right?
> Something
> fuzzy is at hand with grid=yes.
> If you comment this line then the output is as expected.
I know. I wrote that. I found 3 positions which, commenting this
lines, correct the problem.
But I don't understand WHY this helps and why the example doesn't
works.
>
>
> Willi
>
>
> wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
> > Hallo!
> >
> > I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce
> 'Schmutztitel'-page
> > with a following blank page. I think this is what
> > \start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
> >
> > But the example bellow has first a blank page and then
> > 'Schmutztitel'.
> >
> > There is a fourth blank page too.
> >
> > -------------------------
> > \setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided]
> > \setuplayout [
> > footer=.04\paperheight, %1
> > grid=yes, %2
> > marking=on,
> > location=middle,
> > width=middle,
> > height=middle]
> > \starttext
> > \startfrontmatter %3
> > \startstandardmakeup
> > Schmutztitel
> > \stopstandardmakeup
> > \stopfrontmatter %3
> > bla
> > \stoptext
> > -------------------------
> >
> > My experiments:
> >
> > - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last
> blank
> > page (strange).
> >
> > - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in
> the
> > correct behaviour.
> >
> > I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for
> example,
> > uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
> >
> > I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
> >
> > Gr??e, Wolfgang
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* frontmatter
@ 2006-06-21 18:02 wwl
2006-06-21 19:33 ` frontmatter Peter Münster
2006-06-21 20:49 ` frontmatter Willi Egger
0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: wwl @ 2006-06-21 18:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hallo!
I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce 'Schmutztitel'-page
with a following blank page. I think this is what
\start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
But the example bellow has first a blank page and then
'Schmutztitel'.
There is a fourth blank page too.
-------------------------
\setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided]
\setuplayout [
footer=.04\paperheight, %1
grid=yes, %2
marking=on,
location=middle,
width=middle,
height=middle]
\starttext
\startfrontmatter %3
\startstandardmakeup
Schmutztitel
\stopstandardmakeup
\stopfrontmatter %3
bla
\stoptext
-------------------------
My experiments:
- a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank
page (strange).
- uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the
correct behaviour.
I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for example,
uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
Grüße, Wolfgang
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* Re: frontmatter
2006-06-21 18:02 frontmatter wwl
@ 2006-06-21 19:33 ` Peter Münster
2006-06-21 20:49 ` frontmatter Willi Egger
1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Peter Münster @ 2006-06-21 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
> - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank
> page (strange).
This is normal: 'doublesided' is not equal to 'doublesided '.
And 'doublesided' requires certainly an even number of pages.
> - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the
> correct behaviour.
Yes, very strange. It seems to be the combination of
- footer=...
- grid=yes
- height=middle
- \startfrontmatter
- \startstandardmakeup
that produces a first blank page...
Cheers, Peter
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* Re: frontmatter
2006-06-21 18:02 frontmatter wwl
2006-06-21 19:33 ` frontmatter Peter Münster
@ 2006-06-21 20:49 ` Willi Egger
2006-06-22 9:15 ` frontmatter Vit Zyka
1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Willi Egger @ 2006-06-21 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Wolfgang,
I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something
fuzzy is at hand with grid=yes.
If you comment this line then the output is as expected.
Willi
wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
> Hallo!
>
> I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce 'Schmutztitel'-page
> with a following blank page. I think this is what
> \start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
>
> But the example bellow has first a blank page and then
> 'Schmutztitel'.
>
> There is a fourth blank page too.
>
> -------------------------
> \setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided]
> \setuplayout [
> footer=.04\paperheight, %1
> grid=yes, %2
> marking=on,
> location=middle,
> width=middle,
> height=middle]
> \starttext
> \startfrontmatter %3
> \startstandardmakeup
> Schmutztitel
> \stopstandardmakeup
> \stopfrontmatter %3
> bla
> \stoptext
> -------------------------
>
> My experiments:
>
> - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank
> page (strange).
>
> - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the
> correct behaviour.
>
> I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for example,
> uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
>
> I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
>
> Grüße, Wolfgang
> _______________________________________________
> ntg-context mailing list
> ntg-context@ntg.nl
> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>
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* Re: frontmatter
2006-06-21 20:49 ` frontmatter Willi Egger
@ 2006-06-22 9:15 ` Vit Zyka
2006-06-22 13:23 ` frontmatter Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2006-06-22 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Willi Egger wrote:
> Hi Wolfgang,
>
> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something
Moreover:
page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both place:
start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different setting.
For now I am solving it by
\setupsectionblock
[frontpart]
[page=right,
after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
but it is not elegant. Can be introduced pagestart|pagestop?
Vit
> fuzzy is at hand with grid=yes.
> If you comment this line then the output is as expected.
>
>
> Willi
>
>
> wwl@musensturm.de wrote:
>> Hallo!
>>
>> I am trying to use 'standardmakeup' to produce 'Schmutztitel'-page
>> with a following blank page. I think this is what
>> \start\stopstandardmakeup is for (in doublesided environments).
>>
>> But the example bellow has first a blank page and then
>> 'Schmutztitel'.
>>
>> There is a fourth blank page too.
>>
>> -------------------------
>> \setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided]
>> \setuplayout [
>> footer=.04\paperheight, %1
>> grid=yes, %2
>> marking=on,
>> location=middle,
>> width=middle,
>> height=middle]
>> \starttext
>> \startfrontmatter %3
>> \startstandardmakeup
>> Schmutztitel
>> \stopstandardmakeup
>> \stopfrontmatter %3
>> bla
>> \stoptext
>> -------------------------
>>
>> My experiments:
>>
>> - a space-char between 'doublesided' and ']' removes the last blank
>> page (strange).
>>
>> - uncommenting the lines in position 1,2,3 exclusivly results in the
>> correct behaviour.
>>
>> I would like to understand what the problem is and why, for example,
>> uncommenting frontmatter solves the problem.
>>
>> I thought frontmatter is the place to do title-things and so.
>>
>> Grüße, Wolfgang
>> _______________________________________________
>> ntg-context mailing list
>> ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> ntg-context@ntg.nl
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database publishing databazove publikovani
data maintaining and typesetting in typographic quality
priprava dat a jejich sazba v typograficke kvalite
tel.: (+420) 777 198 189 www: http://typokvitek.com
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* Re: frontmatter
2006-06-22 9:15 ` frontmatter Vit Zyka
@ 2006-06-22 13:23 ` Hans Hagen
2006-06-22 19:10 ` frontmatter Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-06-22 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
Vit Zyka wrote:
> Willi Egger wrote:
>
>> Hi Wolfgang,
>>
>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something
>>
>
> Moreover:
>
> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both place:
> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different setting.
> For now I am solving it by
>
> \setupsectionblock
> [frontpart]
> [page=right,
> after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
>
the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that it was textheight related)
Hans
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* Re: frontmatter
2006-06-22 13:23 ` frontmatter Hans Hagen
@ 2006-06-22 19:10 ` Vit Zyka
0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Vit Zyka @ 2006-06-22 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans Hagen wrote:
> Vit Zyka wrote:
>> Willi Egger wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Wolfgang,
>>>
>>> I tried your code. Indeed there is no blank page after the "Schmutztitel".
>>> So you need to add to the \startstandardmakeup[page=yes]. - Something
>>>
>> Moreover:
>>
>> page=yes|right|... makes the same page break setting to both place:
>> start...matter and stop...matter. I ussually need a different setting.
>> For now I am solving it by
>>
>> \setupsectionblock
>> [frontpart]
>> [page=right,
>> after={\setvalue{\??sb\@@sectionblock\c!page}{}}]
>>
> the problem has to do with an overflow of makeup in grid mode (due to already present mark reset nodes); i uploaded a beta that (hopefully) corrects the problem (thanks to taco for analyzing that it was textheight related)
>
> Hans
Good news the bug was fixed.
What I proposed was not related to mentioned error. It just recalled me
this problem of coupled 'page' option and the need to be split.
Vit
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