* Lucida Bright Font Problem
@ 2006-07-31 4:37 Helin Gai
2006-07-31 9:21 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Helin Gai @ 2006-07-31 4:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi all,
I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
\usetypescriptfile [type-buy]
\loadmapfile[texnansi-bh-lucida.map]
\usetypescript[lbr]%[texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[lbr,11pt]
The font used in the document is still computer Modern. Does ConTeXt
require special setup? Any help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Sincerely,
Colin
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 4:37 Lucida Bright Font Problem Helin Gai
@ 2006-07-31 9:21 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-07-31 9:28 ` Helin Gai
2006-07-31 15:10 ` Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-07-31 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Helin Gai wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
As far as I know, using only this command should have worked:
\setupbodyfont[lbr]
\starttext
lucida text
\stoptext
But for some reason it doesn't work for me either.
Taco
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 9:21 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-07-31 9:28 ` Helin Gai
2006-07-31 9:55 ` Helin Gai
2006-07-31 15:10 ` Hans Hagen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Helin Gai @ 2006-07-31 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
I wrote a typescriptfile according to the manual of TeXfont (attached
below) and with the following code
\usetypescriptfile[lucida]
\definetypeface[lucida][rm][serif][lucida][default][encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface[lucida][ss][sans] [lucida][default][encoding=texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[lucida,10pt,rm]
Things do work... but i'm wondering whether there is an easier way...
Thanks.
Colin
\loadmapfile [texnansi-bh-lucida.map]
\starttypescript [serif] [lucida] [name]
\definefontsynonym[Serif] [LucidaBright]
\definefontsynonym[SerifItalic] [LucidaBright-Italic]
\definefontsynonym[SerifSlanted] [LucidaBright-Oblique]
\definefontsynonym[SerifBold] [LucidaBlackletter]
%\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic] [OfficinaSerif-BoldItalic]
%\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldSlanted][OfficinaSerif-BoldSlanted]
\definefontsynonym[SerifCaps] [LucidaBrightSmallcaps-Demi]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [lucida] [name]
\definefontsynonym[Sans] [LucidaSans]
\definefontsynonym[SansItalic] [LucidaSans-Italic]
\definefontsynonym[SansSlanted] [LucidaSans-Italic]
\definefontsynonym[SansBold] [LucidaSans-Bold]
\definefontsynonym[SansBoldItalic] [LucidaSans-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym[SansBoldSlanted][LucidaSans-BoldItalic]
%\definefontsynonym[SansCaps] [OfficinaSans-Caps]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [lucida] [texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaCalligraphy-Italic][texnansi-lbc]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Demi][texnansi-lbd][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-DemiItalic][texnansi-lbdi]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightSmallcaps-Demi][texnansi-lbdsc]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaHandwriting-Italic][texnansi-lbh]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Italic][texnansi-lbi][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaCasual-Italic][texnansi-lbki]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaCasual][texnansi-lbkr][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBlackletter][texnansi-lbl][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright][texnansi-lbr][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightSmallcaps][texnansi-lbrsc]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Oblique][texnansi-lbsl]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriterBold][texnansi-lbtb]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriterBoldOblique][texnansi-lbtbo]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriterOblique][texnansi-lbto]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriter][texnansi-lbtr][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaFax-Demi][texnansi-lfd][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaFax-DemiItalic][texnansi-lfdi]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaFax-Italic][texnansi-lfi][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaFax][texnansi-lfr][encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans] [lucida] [texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Bold][texnansi-lsb][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-BoldItalic][texnansi-lsbi]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Demi][texnansi-lsd][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-DemiItalic][texnansi-lsdi]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Italic][texnansi-lsi][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans][texnansi-lsr][encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-TypewriterBold][texnansi-lstb]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-TypewriterBoldOblique][texnansi-lstbo]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-TypewriterOblique][texnansi-lsto]
[encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Typewriter][texnansi-lstr]
[encoding=texnansi]
\stoptypescript
On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>
> Helin Gai wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
>> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
>> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
>
> As far as I know, using only this command should have worked:
>
> \setupbodyfont[lbr]
> \starttext
> lucida text
> \stoptext
>
> But for some reason it doesn't work for me either.
>
> Taco
> _______________________________________________
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 9:28 ` Helin Gai
@ 2006-07-31 9:55 ` Helin Gai
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Helin Gai @ 2006-07-31 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
Problem Solved.
\usetypescriptfile[type-buy] % loads commercial font definitions
\usetypescript[lucida][texnansi] % defines a lucida typeface
\setupbodyfont[lucida,12pt]
This worked.
Colin
On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Helin Gai wrote:
> I wrote a typescriptfile according to the manual of TeXfont (attached
> below) and with the following code
>
> \usetypescriptfile[lucida]
> \definetypeface[lucida][rm][serif][lucida][default][encoding=texnansi]
> \definetypeface[lucida][ss][sans] [lucida][default][encoding=texnansi]
> \setupbodyfont[lucida,10pt,rm]
>
> Things do work... but i'm wondering whether there is an easier way...
>
> Thanks.
>
> Colin
>
>
> \loadmapfile [texnansi-bh-lucida.map]
>
> \starttypescript [serif] [lucida] [name]
> \definefontsynonym[Serif] [LucidaBright]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifItalic] [LucidaBright-Italic]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifSlanted] [LucidaBright-Oblique]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifBold] [LucidaBlackletter]
> %\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldItalic] [OfficinaSerif-BoldItalic]
> %\definefontsynonym[SerifBoldSlanted][OfficinaSerif-BoldSlanted]
> \definefontsynonym[SerifCaps] [LucidaBrightSmallcaps-Demi]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [sans] [lucida] [name]
> \definefontsynonym[Sans] [LucidaSans]
> \definefontsynonym[SansItalic] [LucidaSans-Italic]
> \definefontsynonym[SansSlanted] [LucidaSans-Italic]
> \definefontsynonym[SansBold] [LucidaSans-Bold]
> \definefontsynonym[SansBoldItalic] [LucidaSans-BoldItalic]
> \definefontsynonym[SansBoldSlanted][LucidaSans-BoldItalic]
> %\definefontsynonym[SansCaps] [OfficinaSans-Caps]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [serif] [lucida] [texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaCalligraphy-Italic][texnansi-lbc]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Demi][texnansi-lbd][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-DemiItalic][texnansi-lbdi]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightSmallcaps-Demi][texnansi-lbdsc]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaHandwriting-Italic][texnansi-lbh]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Italic][texnansi-lbi]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaCasual-Italic][texnansi-lbki]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaCasual][texnansi-lbkr][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBlackletter][texnansi-lbl][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBright][texnansi-lbr][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBrightSmallcaps][texnansi-lbrsc]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaBright-Oblique][texnansi-lbsl]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriterBold][texnansi-lbtb]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriterBoldOblique][texnansi-lbtbo]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriterOblique][texnansi-lbto]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaTypewriter][texnansi-lbtr][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaFax-Demi][texnansi-lfd][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaFax-DemiItalic][texnansi-lfdi]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaFax-Italic][texnansi-lfi][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaFax][texnansi-lfr][encoding=texnansi]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [sans] [lucida] [texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Bold][texnansi-lsb][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-BoldItalic][texnansi-lsbi]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Demi][texnansi-lsd][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-DemiItalic][texnansi-lsdi]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Italic][texnansi-lsi][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans][texnansi-lsr][encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-TypewriterBold][texnansi-lstb]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-TypewriterBoldOblique][texnansi-lstbo]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-TypewriterOblique][texnansi-lsto]
> [encoding=texnansi]
> \definefontsynonym[LucidaSans-Typewriter][texnansi-lstr]
> [encoding=texnansi]
>
> \stoptypescript
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Helin Gai wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
>>> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
>>> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
>>
>> As far as I know, using only this command should have worked:
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[lbr]
>> \starttext
>> lucida text
>> \stoptext
>>
>> But for some reason it doesn't work for me either.
>>
>> Taco
>> _______________________________________________
>> ntg-context mailing list
>> ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
>
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 9:21 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-07-31 9:28 ` Helin Gai
@ 2006-07-31 15:10 ` Hans Hagen
2006-07-31 15:14 ` Helin Gai
2006-07-31 20:58 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-07-31 15:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Helin Gai wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
>> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
>> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
>>
>
> As far as I know, using only this command should have worked:
>
> \setupbodyfont[lbr]
> \starttext
> lucida text
> \stoptext
>
> But for some reason it doesn't work for me either.
>
>
type-pre should be loaded;
the modern way is:
\usetypescript[lucida][\defaultencoding]
\setupbodyfont[lucida]
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2006-07-31 15:10 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2006-07-31 15:14 ` Helin Gai
2006-07-31 16:45 ` Hans Hagen
2006-07-31 20:58 ` Mojca Miklavec
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From: Helin Gai @ 2006-07-31 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
Weird, the method you proposed actually doesn't work...
Sincerely,
Colin
On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:10 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>> Helin Gai wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
>>> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
>>> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
>>>
>>
>> As far as I know, using only this command should have worked:
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[lbr]
>> \starttext
>> lucida text
>> \stoptext
>>
>> But for some reason it doesn't work for me either.
>>
>>
> type-pre should be loaded;
>
> the modern way is:
>
> \usetypescript[lucida][\defaultencoding]
>
> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 15:14 ` Helin Gai
@ 2006-07-31 16:45 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-07-31 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
Helin Gai wrote:
> Weird, the method you proposed actually doesn't work...
>
> Sincerely,
> Colin
>
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:10 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>
>> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>>
>>> Helin Gai wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
>>>> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
>>>> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As far as I know, using only this command should have worked:
>>>
>>> \setupbodyfont[lbr]
>>> \starttext
>>> lucida text
>>> \stoptext
>>>
>>> But for some reason it doesn't work for me either.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> type-pre should be loaded;
>>
>> the modern way is:
>>
>>
then add:
\usetypescriptfile[type-buy]
(is done in my cont-sys.tex)
>> \usetypescript[lucida][\defaultencoding]
>>
>> \setupbodyfont[lucida]
>>
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>> | www.pragma-pod.nl
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 15:10 ` Hans Hagen
2006-07-31 15:14 ` Helin Gai
@ 2006-07-31 20:58 ` Mojca Miklavec
2006-07-31 21:38 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2006-07-31 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 7/31/06, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> > Helin Gai wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm trying to set up ConTeXt to use the Lucida Bright Font. I've
> >> already installed the font in the "LaTeX way" and it works pretty
> >> well in LaTeX. But when I use the following:
On 7/31/06, Helin Gai wrote:
> I wrote a typescriptfile according to the manual of TeXfont (attached
> below) and with the following code
OK, now I understand it. After some time of playing (before this
thread was started) I came out with some definitions like these:
% at least the basic ones which are needed for a document to compile properly
\definefontsynonym [lbmr] [hlcrm] [encoding=default]
\definefontsynonym [lbmo] [hlcrima] [encoding=default]
\definefontsynonym [lbms] [hlcry] [encoding=default]
\definefontsynonym [lbme] [hlcrv] [encoding=default]
\definefontsynonym [lbma] [hlcra] [encoding=default]
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbr] [hlhr8y] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbd] [hlhb8y] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbsl] [hlhro8y] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbi] [hlhri8y] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbdi] [hlhbi8y] [encoding=texnansi]
\definefontsynonym [texnansi-lbrsc] [hlhrc8y] [encoding=texnansi]
\loadmapfile[lucida.map]
\usetypescript[lucida][texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[lucida]
But then again I didn't understand how it was possible that so many
people were using lucida without any problems. (And that it was only
me who had problems installing the font - I simply took all the files
from the "LaTeX world" and forgot about using texfont, which caused me
some headaches until now anyway.)
> \usetypescript[lucida][\defaultencoding]
Hmmm ... Yesterday I figured out that lucida doesn't support EC (ie.
doens't have enough glyphs to cover Slovenian and Croatian). I guess
that only texnansi is a sensible choice. :(
(I hoped that empty slots in Hans's manuals were a consequence of
faulty ec.enc files, but now I figured out that the font has indeed
many glhyps missing.)
Mojca
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* Re: Lucida Bright Font Problem
2006-07-31 20:58 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2006-07-31 21:38 ` Hans Hagen
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-07-31 21:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> But then again I didn't understand how it was possible that so many
> people were using lucida without any problems. (And that it was only
> me who had problems installing the font - I simply took all the files
> from the "LaTeX world" and forgot about using texfont, which caused me
> some headaches until now anyway.)
>
when i started using lucida (many years ago) they came with tfm files
(texnansi) abut nowadays i just generate the metrics with texfont
because yandy went away tug now sells the fonts, and as a result new
metrics for latex were made; i'm not sure with what (afm) files the
fonts ship nowadays but i'm not going to change/adapt my local setup
(too tricky) to different lucida spacing and metrics; the font metrics
zip has them
>
>> \usetypescript[lucida][\defaultencoding]
>>
>
> Hmmm ... Yesterday I figured out that lucida doesn't support EC (ie.
> doens't have enough glyphs to cover Slovenian and Croatian). I guess
> that only texnansi is a sensible choice. :(
>
> (I hoped that empty slots in Hans's manuals were a consequence of
> faulty ec.enc files, but now I figured out that the font has indeed
> many glhyps missing.)
>
my impression is that when ec was made nobody cared much about eastern european languages; for some reason the hardly (or once per doc) used copyright and registere symbols were considered to be of more importance, alas ...
Hans
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