layout question

layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

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Hello,

i have a simple (?) layout question. I want to typeset a doublesided 
text with a larger margin on one side. This margin will be filled with 
'margin images' or 'margin remarks'. But sometimes, larger images have 
to be placed in the text+margin.

Which commands, options or setups are correct, to get the same results 
on odd and even pages? In the attached pdf file,  odd and even pages 
behave different, using a simple setup (see tex file).

richard

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Universitaetsallee 29
D-28359 Bremen

email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs-bremerhaven.de
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fon  : +49 - 421 - 218 7707 (mevis)
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% output=pdf
%=======================================================================
% begin of file *layout-test.tex*
%=======================================================================
% richard@mevis.de

% layout
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout[leftmargin=0.5in,rightmargin=2.3in,textwidth=5in]
\setuplayout[width=fit,
             backspace=\dimexpr(\leftmarginwidth+\leftmargindistance)]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

%=======================================================================
\starttext
%=======================================================================
The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
\placefigure[inmargin]{a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

An now a larger image in the text and margin are
\placefigure[here,inmargin]{a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text}
\input tufte

%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\page
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
\placefigure[inmargin]{a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

An now a larger image in the text and margin are
\placefigure[here,inmargin]{a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text}
\input tufte

%=======================================================================
\stoptext
%=======================================================================
% end of file *layout-test.tex*
%=======================================================================

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Re: layout question

[Hans Hagen]

richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i have a simple (?) layout question. I want to typeset a doublesided 
> text with a larger margin on one side. This margin will be filled with 
> 'margin images' or 'margin remarks'. But sometimes, larger images have 
> to be placed in the text+margin.
>
> Which commands, options or setups are correct, to get the same results 
> on odd and even pages? In the attached pdf file,  odd and even pages 
> behave different, using a simple setup (see tex file).

it's dangerous to use dimensions in \setuplayout that get set themselves

also, textwidth is for special purposed and special effects, not to be 
used here (spoils things)

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout
  [width=middle,
   backspace=.75in,
   curspace=2.55in,
   leftmargin=.50in,
   margindistance=.25in,
   rightmargin=2.3in]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]

\starttext

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure
  [inright]{a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

An now a larger image in the text and margin are

\placefigure
  [here,inright]{a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page

The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure
  [inright]
  {a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\rightmarginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

An now a larger image in the text and margin are

\placefigure
  [here,inright]
  {a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page


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Re: layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
> richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:
>   
>> Hello,
>>
>> i have a simple (?) layout question. I want to typeset a doublesided 
>> text with a larger margin on one side. This margin will be filled with 
>> 'margin images' or 'margin remarks'. But sometimes, larger images have 
>> to be placed in the text+margin.
>>
>> Which commands, options or setups are correct, to get the same results 
>> on odd and even pages? In the attached pdf file,  odd and even pages 
>> behave different, using a simple setup (see tex file).
>>     
>
> it's dangerous to use dimensions in \setuplayout that get set themselves
>
> also, textwidth is for special purposed and special effects, not to be 
> used here (spoils things)
>
> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>
> \setuplayout
>   [width=middle,
>    backspace=.75in,
>    curspace=2.55in,
>    leftmargin=.50in,
>    margindistance=.25in,
>    rightmargin=2.3in]
>
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]
>
> \starttext
>
> The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
>
> \placefigure
>   [inright]{a margin image}
>   {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \input tufte
>
> An now a larger image in the text and margin are
>
> \placefigure
>   [here,inright]{a text+margin image}
>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
>
> The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
>
> \placefigure
>   [inright]
>   {a margin image}
>   {\framed[width=\rightmarginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \input tufte
>
> An now a larger image in the text and margin are
>
> \placefigure
>   [here,inright]
>   {a text+margin image}
>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
>               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
>      tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
>                                              | www.pragma-pod.nl
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>   
Thanks for the quick response.

I have some questions about your code, because it does not fullfill all 
my wishes.

The command \inmargin now correctly puts its text on the correct side on 
even and odd pages. But i would like to have the same behaviour for the 
figures too. In a longer script, TeX should know, if the margin image 
has to be placed left or right. So 'inright' or 'inleft' is not an 
option. And 'margin' does not work ... (the image is placed mostly 
outside the page).
In your code, the long image on the second page does not start in the 
left margin, as desired.

%--------
% output=pdf
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout
  [%width=middle,
   backspace=.75in,
   curspace=2.55in,
   leftmargin=.50in,
   margindistance=.25in,
   rightmargin=2.3in]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided}]

\starttext

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure
  [margin]{a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin

\placefigure
  [here,inright]{a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page

The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure
  [margin]
  {a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin

\placefigure
  [here,inleft]
  {a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
%--------



Any help appreciated
   richard

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MeVis -- Centrum fuer Medizinische Diagnosesysteme und Visualisierung GmbH
Universitaetsallee 29
D-28359 Bremen

email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs-bremerhaven.de
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Re: layout question

[David Arnold]

curspace=2.55in

should be

cutspace=2.55in


On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:12 AM, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

> Hans Hagen schrieb:
>> richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> i have a simple (?) layout question. I want to typeset a doublesided
>>> text with a larger margin on one side. This margin will be filled  
>>> with
>>> 'margin images' or 'margin remarks'. But sometimes, larger images  
>>> have
>>> to be placed in the text+margin.
>>>
>>> Which commands, options or setups are correct, to get the same  
>>> results
>>> on odd and even pages? In the attached pdf file,  odd and even pages
>>> behave different, using a simple setup (see tex file).
>>>
>>
>> it's dangerous to use dimensions in \setuplayout that get set  
>> themselves
>>
>> also, textwidth is for special purposed and special effects, not  
>> to be
>> used here (spoils things)
>>
>> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>>
>> \setuplayout
>>   [width=middle,
>>    backspace=.75in,
>>    curspace=2.55in,
>>    leftmargin=.50in,
>>    margindistance=.25in,
>>    rightmargin=2.3in]
>>
>> \setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
>>
>> \placefigure
>>   [inright]{a margin image}
>>   {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> \input tufte
>>
>> An now a larger image in the text and margin are
>>
>> \placefigure
>>   [here,inright]{a text+margin image}
>>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
>>
>> The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
>>
>> \placefigure
>>   [inright]
>>   {a margin image}
>>   {\framed[width=\rightmarginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> \input tufte
>>
>> An now a larger image in the text and margin are
>>
>> \placefigure
>>   [here,inright]
>>   {a text+margin image}
>>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
>>               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
>>      tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
>>                                              | www.pragma-pod.nl
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
> Thanks for the quick response.
>
> I have some questions about your code, because it does not fullfill  
> all
> my wishes.
>
> The command \inmargin now correctly puts its text on the correct  
> side on
> even and odd pages. But i would like to have the same behaviour for  
> the
> figures too. In a longer script, TeX should know, if the margin image
> has to be placed left or right. So 'inright' or 'inleft' is not an
> option. And 'margin' does not work ... (the image is placed mostly
> outside the page).
> In your code, the long image on the second page does not start in the
> left margin, as desired.
>
> %--------
> % output=pdf
> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>
> \setuplayout
>   [%width=middle,
>    backspace=.75in,
>    curspace=2.55in,
>    leftmargin=.50in,
>    margindistance=.25in,
>    rightmargin=2.3in]
>
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided}]
>
> \starttext
>
> The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
>
> \placefigure
>   [margin]{a margin image}
>   {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \input tufte
>
> And now a larger image in the text and margin
>
> \placefigure
>   [here,inright]{a text+margin image}
>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
>
> The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
>
> \placefigure
>   [margin]
>   {a margin image}
>   {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \input tufte
>
> And now a larger image in the text and margin
>
> \placefigure
>   [here,inleft]
>   {a text+margin image}
>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page
> %--------
>
>
>
> Any help appreciated
>    richard
>
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>
> ====================================================================== 
> ========
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> MeVis -- Centrum fuer Medizinische Diagnosesysteme und  
> Visualisierung GmbH
> Universitaetsallee 29
> D-28359 Bremen
>
> email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs- 
> bremerhaven.de
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Re: layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

David Arnold schrieb:
> curspace=2.55in
>
> should be
>
> cutspace=2.55in
>
>
>
>   
>> %--------
>> % output=pdf
>> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>>
>> \setuplayout
>>   [%width=middle,
>>    backspace=.75in,
>>    curspace=2.55in,
>>    leftmargin=.50in,
>>    margindistance=.25in,
>>    rightmargin=2.3in]
>>
>>     
Thanks,

using 'cutspace' the option 'width=middle' works as expected. The margin 
images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the 
*second* page is not solved. I tried

\placefigure
  [here,inleft]
  {a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\placefigure
  [here,inmargin]
  {a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

but the image does not move into the margin.

richard

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==============================================================================
Richard Rascher-Friesenhausen                
MeVis -- Centrum fuer Medizinische Diagnosesysteme und Visualisierung GmbH
Universitaetsallee 29
D-28359 Bremen

email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs-bremerhaven.de
www  : http://www.mevis.de/, http://www.hs-bremerhaven.de/
fon  : +49 - 421 - 218 7707 (mevis)
fax  : +49 - 421 - 218 4236 (mevis)
==============================================================================

Re: layout question

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

> images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the
> *second* page is not solved. I tried
>
> \placefigure
>  [here,inleft]
>  {a text+margin image}
>  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \placefigure
>  [here,inmargin]
>  {a text+margin image}
>  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> but the image does not move into the margin.

Did you try copy/paste Hans code? Notice

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]

I do not really understand what that means, but With that, the float 
go to the "correct" margin.

Aditya

Re: layout question

[Hans Hagen]

richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:
> David Arnold schrieb:
>   
>> curspace=2.55in
>>
>> should be
>>
>> cutspace=2.55in
>>
>>
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> %--------
>>> % output=pdf
>>> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>>>
>>> \setuplayout
>>>   [%width=middle,
>>>    backspace=.75in,
>>>    curspace=2.55in,
>>>    leftmargin=.50in,
>>>    margindistance=.25in,
>>>    rightmargin=2.3in]
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
> Thanks,
>
> using 'cutspace' the option 'width=middle' works as expected. The margin 
> images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the 
> *second* page is not solved. I tried
>
> \placefigure
>   [here,inleft]
>   {a text+margin image}
>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \placefigure
>   [here,inmargin]
>   {a text+margin image}
>   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> but the image does not move into the margin.
>   
did you read details.pdf ? Lots of margin stuff with figures in there

Hans

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              Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
     tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
                                             | www.pragma-pod.nl
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Re: layout question

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:
>
>   
>> images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the
>> *second* page is not solved. I tried
>>
>> \placefigure
>>  [here,inleft]
>>  {a text+margin image}
>>  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> \placefigure
>>  [here,inmargin]
>>  {a text+margin image}
>>  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> but the image does not move into the margin.
>>     
>
> Did you try copy/paste Hans code? Notice
>
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]
>
> I do not really understand what that means, but With that, the float 
> go to the "correct" margin.
>   
a combination of single/double, i.e. no mirroring of the layout but 
different header/footerlines (4 args to \setupheadertexts) on left an 
dright hand pages are possible

Hans


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                                             | www.pragma-pod.nl
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Re: layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

Aditya Mahajan schrieb:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:
>
>   
>> images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the
>> *second* page is not solved. I tried
>>
>> \placefigure
>>  [here,inleft]
>>  {a text+margin image}
>>  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> \placefigure
>>  [here,inmargin]
>>  {a text+margin image}
>>  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>>
>> but the image does not move into the margin.
>>     
>
> Did you try copy/paste Hans code? Notice
>
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]
>
> I do not really understand what that means, but With that, the float 
> go to the "correct" margin.
>
> Aditya
>   
Yes, i tried the code. But the generated output is not doublesided. And 
then there is no problem. Therefore i removed the option 'singlesided' 
(i do not know the meaning of the combination of both either). Now the 
output is doublesided. But i have to bother with 'inleft' and 'inright', 
which i do not want to :-( And the text+margin image does not bleed into 
the margin...

I think, there was once another post on this list, looking for a nearly 
identical layout of figures. But i lost track of the postings.

richard

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==============================================================================
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D-28359 Bremen

email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs-bremerhaven.de
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Re: layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
>
> did you read details.pdf ? Lots of margin stuff with figures in there
>
> Hans
>
>   
Hello,

this weekend i looked a bit into details.pdf an came up with a solution 
of my figure placing problem:

% output=pdf
%=======================================================================
% begin of file *layout-test.tex*
%=======================================================================
% richard@mevis.de

% layout
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout[width=middle,
             cutspace=2.3in,
             margindistance=.25in,
             leftmargin=0.5in,rightmargin=2.3in]
\setuplayout[backspace=\dimexpr(\leftmarginwidth+\leftmargindistance)]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

% float defs
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\definefloat[marginfigure][marginfigures]
\setupfloat[marginfigure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth,
                          location=middle,
                          default={outermargin,here}]

\definefloat[textmarginfigure][textmarginfigures]
\setupfloat[textmarginfigure][location=inner]

\showframe
%=======================================================================
\starttext
%=======================================================================
\placelistoffigures
\placelistofmarginfigures
\placelistoftextmarginfigures
\hairline

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
\placemarginfigure{a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text}
\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin
\placetextmarginfigure{a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\dorecurse{14}{Some text. }

\placefigure{a text image}
  {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}

\dorecurse{14}{Some text.~}

%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\page
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
\placemarginfigure{a margin image}
  {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin
\placetextmarginfigure{a text+margin image}
  {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text}
\input tufte

\placefigure{a text image}
  {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}

%=======================================================================
\stoptext
%=======================================================================
% end of file *layout-test.tex*
%=======================================================================


Now, the figures are at my desired places. But i have three different 
kinds of figures and three different lists of figures.

1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all 
figures with the same counter? My first
    attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.

2) The \inmargin{Tufte Text} on the first page places the text in one 
line, the same command on the
    second page needs two lines! Why?

richard



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==============================================================================
Prof. Dr. Richard Rascher-Friesenhausen                
MeVis -- Centrum fuer Medizinische Diagnosesysteme und Visualisierung GmbH
Universitaetsallee 29
D-28359 Bremen

als auch
Hochschule Bremerhaven
An der Karlsstadt 8
27568 Bremerhaven

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Re: layout question

[nico]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:58:58 +0200, richard rascher-friesenhausen  
<richard@mevis.de> wrote:

> Hans Hagen schrieb:
>>
>> did you read details.pdf ? Lots of margin stuff with figures in there
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
> Hello,
>
> this weekend i looked a bit into details.pdf an came up with a solution
> of my figure placing problem: [...]
>
> Now, the figures are at my desired places. But i have three different
> kinds of figures and three different lists of figures.
>
> 1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all
> figures with the same counter? My first
>     attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.

Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,  
list, etc.

Maybe you can stay with only one kind of float. The following looks like  
the expected rendering, but I don't understand the default placement of  
the second large figure.

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout[width=middle,
              cutspace=2.3in,
              margindistance=.25in,
              leftmargin=0.5in,rightmargin=2.3in]
\setuplayout[backspace=\dimexpr(\leftmarginwidth+\leftmargindistance)]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

% float defs
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\setupfloat[figure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth,
                     criterium=\rightmarginwidth,
                     location=middle,
                     default={outermargin,here}]

\showframe
%=======================================================================
\starttext
%=======================================================================
\placelistoffigures
\hairline

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
\placefigure
   {a margin image}
   {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text}
\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin
\placefigure[inner]{a text+margin image}
   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\dorecurse{14}{Some text. }

\placefigure[middle]{a text image}
   {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}

\dorecurse{14}{Some text.~}

%-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\page
%-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
\placefigure
   {a margin image}
   {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin
%
% Default placement sounds strange to me...
% Force with middle to have the entire figure visible
%
%\placefigure{a text+margin image}
\placefigure[middle]{a text+margin image}
   {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text}
\input tufte

\placefigure[middle]{a text image}
   {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}

\stoptext

Regards,
BG

Re: layout question

[Hans Hagen]

nico wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:58:58 +0200, richard rascher-friesenhausen  
> <richard@mevis.de> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hans Hagen schrieb:
>>     
>>> did you read details.pdf ? Lots of margin stuff with figures in there
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Hello,
>>
>> this weekend i looked a bit into details.pdf an came up with a solution
>> of my figure placing problem: [...]
>>
>> Now, the figures are at my desired places. But i have three different
>> kinds of figures and three different lists of figures.
>>
>> 1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all
>> figures with the same counter? My first
>>     attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.
>>     
>
> Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,  
>   

\definefloat[myfloat][figure]

will give you \myfloat which inherits from \figure


> list, etc.
>
> Maybe you can stay with only one kind of float. The following looks like  
> the expected rendering, but I don't understand the default placement of  
> the second large figure.
>
> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>
> \setuplayout[width=middle,
>               cutspace=2.3in,
>               margindistance=.25in,
>               leftmargin=0.5in,rightmargin=2.3in]
> \setuplayout[backspace=\dimexpr(\leftmarginwidth+\leftmargindistance)]
>
> \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
>
> % float defs
> %-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> \setupfloat[figure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth,
>                      criterium=\rightmarginwidth,
>                      location=middle,
>                      default={outermargin,here}]
>
> \showframe
> %=======================================================================
> \starttext
> %=======================================================================
> \placelistoffigures
> \hairline
>
> The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
> \placefigure
>    {a margin image}
>    {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \inmargin{Tufte text}
> \input tufte
>
> And now a larger image in the text and margin
> \placefigure[inner]{a text+margin image}
>    {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \dorecurse{14}{Some text. }
>
> \placefigure[middle]{a text image}
>    {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}
>
> \dorecurse{14}{Some text.~}
>
> %-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> \page
> %-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The second page  with a small image in the (bigger) margin.
> \placefigure
>    {a margin image}
>    {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \input tufte
>
> And now a larger image in the text and margin
> %
> % Default placement sounds strange to me...
> % Force with middle to have the entire figure visible
> %
> %\placefigure{a text+margin image}
> \placefigure[middle]{a text+margin image}
>    {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}
>
> \inmargin{Tufte text}
> \input tufte
>
> \placefigure[middle]{a text image}
>    {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}
>
> \stoptext
>
> Regards,
> BG
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Re: layout question

[nico]

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:42:10 +0200, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

> nico wrote:
>>> 1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all
>>> figures with the same counter? My first
>>>     attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.
>>
>> Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,
>
> \definefloat[myfloat][figure]
>
> will give you \myfloat which inherits from \figure

Hm, the setup is inherited, but it has its own counter, its own label,  
etc. isn't it?

Regards,
BG

Re: layout question

[Hans Hagen]

nico wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:42:10 +0200, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>
>   
>> nico wrote:
>>     
>>>> 1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all
>>>> figures with the same counter? My first
>>>>     attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.
>>>>         
>>> Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,
>>>       
>> \definefloat[myfloat][figure]
>>
>> will give you \myfloat which inherits from \figure
>>     
>
> Hm, the setup is inherited, but it has its own counter, its own label,  
> etc. isn't it?
>   
sorry, wrong command 

\definefloat[myfigure][myfigures][figure]

the second arg is the plural, the third the parent 

Hans 


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Re: layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

Hans Hagen schrieb:
>
> sorry, wrong command 
>
> \definefloat[myfigure][myfigures][figure]
>
> the second arg is the plural, the third the parent 
>
> Hans 
>
>   
Hello,

i added the cloning to my figure definitions. The caption is inherited 
from figure. But the new margin- and textmarginfigures do *not* show up 
in the list of figures using \placelistoffigures. Do i have to define a 
\combinedlist?

In ConTeXt ver. 2006.08.04 standalone windows version the numbering is 
wrong. All figures on page one get the number 1, all figures on page two 
get number 2.

In ConTeXt ver. 2005.11.30 standalone windows version the numbering is 
correct. But \placelistoffigures only show the native figures, too.

richard

P.S. details.pdf uses the incorrect command 
\definefloat[myfigure][figure]. And in typing the examples directly from 
the text, i forgot in the first run to define the new figures with 
\definefloat. Maybe one should add this to the examples?

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Re: layout question

[richard rascher-friesenhausen]

nico schrieb:
> Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,  
> list, etc.
>
> Maybe you can stay with only one kind of float. The following looks like  
> the expected rendering, but I don't understand the default placement of  
> the second large figure.
>
> % float defs
> %-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> \setupfloat[figure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth,
>                      criterium=\rightmarginwidth,
>                      location=middle,
>                      default={outermargin,here}]
>
>   
Thanks for that solution. It solves the problem with the list of 
figures. But for the text+margin figures i have to look, if they are 
placed on an odd or even page, to set the placing correctly. They should 
always be shifted to the outer margin. But your solution avoids the 
extra definition of margin images.

Do you know the meanings of the criterium. minwidth and maxwidth options 
of \setupfloat and how they interact with each other and with default?

richard

figures and footnotes

[Horacio Suarez]

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hello

1
I have footnotes in titles  and as title a appers in all right pages, the 
litle number appears too, but adding 1 each page it appears.

2
I´m placing figures, but I get a gray square that says:

name:thename
file: thefile
status:unknown

texexec says "file thefile has zero dimensions" 4 times and "file the file 
not found".

Files are 1 bit Potoshop tif, or 8 bit photoshop tif or 8 bit gimp tif.

Images and tex file are inthe same directoy.

Tahnkyou very much.

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Re: figures and footnotes

[Horacio Suarez]

thankyou very much.

png is a compressed format?


>From: Mari Voipio <mari.voipio@iki.fi>
>Reply-To: Mari Voipio <mari.voipio@iki.fi>,mailing list for ConTeXt users 
><ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>To: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl>
>Subject: Re: [NTG-context] figures and footnotes
>Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:01:45 +0300 (EEST)
>
>
>
>On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Horacio Suarez wrote:
> > Files are 1 bit Potoshop tif, or 8 bit photoshop tif or 8 bit gimp tif.
>
>According to ConTeXt wiki (wiki.contextgarden.net), tif(f) is NOT a
>generally accepted file format in ConTeXt, some systems process it, but
>most don't.
>As I process ConTeXt straight into pdf (in Windows, using the wincontext
>distribution), I used jpg and png as bitmap file formats and that has been
>successful this far - so you may want to try another figure file format.
>
>See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/File_Formats for up-to-date information
>about what formats work with what configurations, the information in at
>least my version of the big manual (chapter 13) is partly obsolete.
>
>
>Mari
>(who's gotten her share of grey squares while working with ConTeXt...)
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Re: figures and footnotes

[Mari Voipio]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Horacio Suarez wrote:
> Files are 1 bit Potoshop tif, or 8 bit photoshop tif or 8 bit gimp tif.

According to ConTeXt wiki (wiki.contextgarden.net), tif(f) is NOT a 
generally accepted file format in ConTeXt, some systems process it, but 
most don't.
As I process ConTeXt straight into pdf (in Windows, using the wincontext 
distribution), I used jpg and png as bitmap file formats and that has been 
successful this far - so you may want to try another figure file format.

See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/File_Formats for up-to-date information 
about what formats work with what configurations, the information in at 
least my version of the big manual (chapter 13) is partly obsolete.


Mari
(who's gotten her share of grey squares while working with ConTeXt...)

Re: layout question

[nico]

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:11:37 +0200, richard rascher-friesenhausen  
<richard@mevis.de> wrote:

> nico schrieb:
>> Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,
>> list, etc.
>>
>> Maybe you can stay with only one kind of float. The following looks like
>> the expected rendering, but I don't understand the default placement of
>> the second large figure.
>>
>> % float defs
>> %-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> \setupfloat[figure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth,
>>                      criterium=\rightmarginwidth,
>>                      location=middle,
>>                      default={outermargin,here}]
>>
> Thanks for that solution. It solves the problem with the list of
> figures. But for the text+margin figures i have to look, if they are
> placed on an odd or even page, to set the placing correctly. They should
> always be shifted to the outer margin. But your solution avoids the
> extra definition of margin images.

Yes, I don't understand why it behaves like this. I thought that it would  
be put in the middle.

> Do you know the meanings of the criterium. minwidth and maxwidth options
> of \setupfloat and how they interact with each other and with default?

It's explained in details.pdf. In brief, for margin floats:

criterium=<width>: says that when the figure width is greater than  
<width>, the figure is put in the text area. When the figure width is less  
than <width>, it is put in the default specified margin (here:  
outermargin).

default=<setting>: default setting for that kind of float, including the  
chosen placement area (outermargin), until the criterium is reached.

maxwidth=<width>: gives the alignment delimiter in the margin, so that the  
figure will not go outside the specified width in the margin, but it will  
grow in the text area instead.

minwidth=<width>: ensures that the figure can take at least this width, so  
that if the figure width is smaller (and location=middle) it will be  
centered in this area.

I hope there's no missunderstanding in these explainations (others can  
tell). Anyway, it cannot be better than the details doc that shows how it  
looks.

Regards,
BG

Re: Layout Question

[Helin Gai]

lol. I'm so embarrassed. Thanks a lot!

Colin

On 2/6/07, Alex Lubberts <alex@lubberts.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Perhaps because you typed 'weight=middle' instead of 'width=middle'...?
>
> Regards,
> Alex
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I bumped into a strange question. I used the following commands to set
> > up the layout:
> >
> > \setuplayout[marking=color,location=middle,
> >              backspace=4.25pc,
> >              cutspace=20pc,
> >              topspace=4.25pc,
> >              bottomspace=7.5pc,
> >              footerdistance=3.5pc,
> >              footer=12pt,
> >              margindistance=2pc,
> >              header=0pc,
> >              headerdistance=0pc,
> >              leftmargin=0pc,
> >              height=middle,
> >              weight=middle]
> >
> > but when I change the value of cutspace here, nothing changes. What's
> > wrong?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Best,
> > Helin
> >
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> > Class of 2009, Duke University
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Re: Layout Question

[Alex Lubberts]

Hi,

Perhaps because you typed 'weight=middle' instead of 'width=middle'...?

Regards,
Alex

> Hi,
>
> I bumped into a strange question. I used the following commands to set
> up the layout:
>
> \setuplayout[marking=color,location=middle,
>              backspace=4.25pc,
>              cutspace=20pc,
>              topspace=4.25pc,
>              bottomspace=7.5pc,
>              footerdistance=3.5pc,
>              footer=12pt,
>              margindistance=2pc,
>              header=0pc,
>              headerdistance=0pc,
>              leftmargin=0pc,
>              height=middle,
>              weight=middle]
>
> but when I change the value of cutspace here, nothing changes. What's
> wrong?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Best,
> Helin
>
> --
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> Class of 2009, Duke University
> Box 96332
> Durham, NC 27708
> Phone:  919-943-6302
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Layout Question

[Helin Gai]

Hi,

I bumped into a strange question. I used the following commands to set
up the layout:

\setuplayout[marking=color,location=middle,
             backspace=4.25pc,
             cutspace=20pc,
             topspace=4.25pc,
             bottomspace=7.5pc,
             footerdistance=3.5pc,
             footer=12pt,
             margindistance=2pc,
             header=0pc,
             headerdistance=0pc,
             leftmargin=0pc,
             height=middle,
             weight=middle]

but when I change the value of cutspace here, nothing changes. What's wrong?

Thanks in advance!

Best,
Helin

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Class of 2009, Duke University
Box 96332
Durham, NC 27708
Phone:  919-943-6302
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