From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/31135 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: A new manual Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:09:32 +0200 Message-ID: <451D7D7C.3050900@wxs.nl> References: <200609280920.02364.john@wexfordpress.com> <22af238a0609290719l4ceed250m171555be4bf793e3@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1159560846 20223 80.91.229.2 (29 Sep 2006 20:14:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:14:06 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Sep 29 22:13:59 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GTOk3-00078J-Oy for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:13:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D95A1FF62; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:13:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 11619-02; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:13:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6A71FD42; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:09:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96C61FCF4 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:09:36 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10480-06 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:09:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 20BAB1FF27 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:09:30 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.104] (unverified [10.100.1.104]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.7b8) with ESMTP id 10686 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2006 22:09:29 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <22af238a0609290719l4ceed250m171555be4bf793e3@mail.gmail.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-274017400 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:31135 Archived-At: gnwiii@gmail.com wrote: > > I don't agree that lack of a current manual is a big problem for > potential users of ConteXt. In my experience, the biggest problem is > with the 3rd party tools (perl, ghostscript, ruby) on Win32 and legacy > commercial unix (where ruby is not provided and the system perl will > be a very old version). > actually, one could run context using "pdftex --fmt ...... " but it's less convenient; technically i could generate most of the tuo file directly (although index sorting always has to rely on an external prog) some two pass data (cross ref etc) can be loaded before an aux file is written, but toc info cannot, and tex itself cannot rename a temp file afterwards; because context can create tocs at any level any time, this means that there will always be a need for an separate read and write file (actuallym this is also true for more two pass data since some data structures may be defined anywhere in teh document which also leads to async loading) in luatex, i will probably write the index sorter in lua as well as support a different two pass info model as well which means that in principle one could provide an embedded kind of texexec funtionality; of course multiple runs still have to be managed by some external script then but this can be simple since tex itself can signal the need for that don't be surprised if contex mkiv provides a different user experience Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------