From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/31484 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Taco Hoekwater Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt on Debian: The wiki entry Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:15:54 +0200 Message-ID: <453D06DA.6010108@elvenkind.com> References: <86hcxv77l9.fsf@alhambra.kuesterei.ch> <453CA039.5010404@elvenkind.com> <86ejszntvv.fsf@alhambra.kuesterei.ch> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161627424 20979 80.91.229.2 (23 Oct 2006 18:17:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Mon Oct 23 20:16:59 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc4LJ-0007Tr-BA for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45A21FE3F; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32156-02; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F54D1FE37; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:16:00 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC661FE3A for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:15:58 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32201-03-2 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:15:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net (post-25.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.195]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id E29961FDE4 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:15:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from boo.demon.nl ([82.161.175.147]:38516 helo=[10.10.0.3]) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Gc4L4-000KDB-IL for ntg-context@ntg.nl; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:15:54 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-7.6.20060mdk (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: <86ejszntvv.fsf@alhambra.kuesterei.ch> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:31484 Archived-At: Frank K=FCster wrote: > = >>>- Is it intended that context formats end up in $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/? >>> If yes, why is that so? If not, we should rather find out why it >>> happens and fix it. >> >>Yes, it is. ConTeXt does not support only pdfetex, but all major >>engines, like XeTeX and Aleph. I have formats in: >> = >> $TEXMF/web2c/aleph/ >> $TEXMF/web2c/luatex/ >> $TEXMF/web2c/pdfetex/ >> $TEXMF/web2c/xetex/ > = > Ah, okay, that's clear. Has this already been this way one year ago > when texlive2005 was released? Do you know whether the TeXlive > developers are aware of that? Yes, it was, Yes, 'they' were aware, and no, 'they' did not want to fix fmtutil. 'They' only dropped the separate format extensions and then decided that implementing a replacement was too much effort. >>>- Why does it make a difference if the formats are created by fmtutil >>> instead of texexec (Except for the output directory)? Should the >>> upstream packaging be changed so that fmtutil is never used, but >>> texexec, or should fmtutil be fixed to produce the same as texexec? = >> >>It is almost certainly better to ignore/block fmtutil and use texexec >>instead. Properly setting up a ConTeXt update is not necesarily limited >>to format generation only. > = > Hm. What are the other things that need to be done? Nothing at the moment, AFAIK. But potentially lots of things. For instance: the next version of context will support non-kpathsea file searching, so it will have to initialize its database somewhere. It may want to/have to delete obsolete files and/or merge local configuration files with new released version. Or precompile patterns files or lua scripts, strip and optimize source files, and perhaps generate font metrics in one format or another. ConTeXt comes with its own font map files, so there is no real reason to fix updmap but if you want to the main problem is this: you have to extend it so that it does not treat dvips and pdftex map files as identical. > To me, as a TeXlive and teTeX guy, it seems preferrable to choose option > 1 and fix the existing distribution scripts. However, I don't know yet > what else is needed when ConTeXt is updated, therefore I might be wrong, > and switching to texexec might actually be better. But then this should > be done consistently, and fmtutil should drop context handling > completely (or just call texexec). I am very much in favor of using texexec for everything related to ConTeXt. Greetings, Taco