Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[M.J. Kallen]

Maybe Renaud can tell us a little more about the details of the typesetting? What font did you use and what program did you use to make the plots (I particularly like the fact that the font in the plots is the same as in the text!), it reminds me a little of R plots, but I may be wrong... And the flowcharts are made with the chart module if I'm not mistaken?

All in all the thesis looks very nice!

Maarten-Jan

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On 10/26/06, Renaud AUBIN <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD
> dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...
>
>  http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/
>
>  The slides are made to work under linux with sh script to run mplayer or
> custom simulations... These scripts will obviously not work without the
> movies or my simulator binaries...
Well, I like it.
Is there any examples on wiki of these things (maybe I have lost some
discussions about it)?
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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Johan Sandblom]

Perhaps the source could be distributed as well? I particularly like
the MetaFun graphics.

Regards, Johan

2006/10/27, M.J. Kallen <mj_kallen@yahoo.com>:
> Maybe Renaud can tell us a little more about the details of the typesetting? What font did you use and what program did you use to make the plots (I particularly like the fact that the font in the plots is the same as in the text!), it reminds me a little of R plots, but I may be wrong... And the flowcharts are made with the chart module if I'm not mistaken?
>
> All in all the thesis looks very nice!
>
> Maarten-Jan
>
> ----- Original Message ----
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> Subject: Re: [NTG-context] How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )
>
>
> On 10/26/06, Renaud AUBIN <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
> >
> >  Hi all,
> >
> >  Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD
> > dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...
> >
> >  http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/
> >
> >  The slides are made to work under linux with sh script to run mplayer or
> > custom simulations... These scripts will obviously not work without the
> > movies or my simulator binaries...
> Well, I like it.
> Is there any examples on wiki of these things (maybe I have lost some
> discussions about it)?
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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

Hi M.J.,

M.J. Kallen a écrit :

>Maybe Renaud can tell us a little more about the details of the typesetting? What font did you use and what program did you use to make the plots (I particularly like the fact that the font in the plots is the same as in the text!), it reminds me a little of R plots, but I may be wrong... And the flowcharts are made with the chart module if I'm not mistaken?
>  
>
I use lucida fonts (http://www.tug.org/store/lucida/order.html). The
plots are made with t-gnuplot (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Gnuplot)
thanks to Mojca's work. flowcharts are made with the chart module,
you're right.

Renaud

How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hi all,

Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD
dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...

http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/

The slides are made to work under linux with sh script to run mplayer or
custom simulations... These scripts will obviously not work without the
movies or my simulator binaries...


Renaud


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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[luigi scarso]

On 10/26/06, Renaud AUBIN <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD
> dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...
>
>  http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/
>
>  The slides are made to work under linux with sh script to run mplayer or
> custom simulations... These scripts will obviously not work without the
> movies or my simulator binaries...
Well, I like it.
Is there any examples on wiki of these things (maybe I have lost some
discussions about it)?

Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hi Luigi,

luigi scarso a écrit :

>Well, I like it.
>Is there any examples on wiki of these things (maybe I have lost some
>discussions about it)?
>  
>
Not yet from me on the wiki... In fact, I have began ConTeXt last year
specially to compose my dissertation. As a consequence, if you googleize
"NTG ConTeXt Renaud Aubin", you'll have an idea of my step by step
approach to PhD writting with ConTeXt... ;)
I'll clean up, comment the source and put it online asap. You can find
the source here (for the moment):
http://renojrl.lrv.uvsq.fr/perso/projects/phd/

Renaud

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Hans Hagen]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD 
> dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...
>
> http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/
>
> The slides are made to work under linux with sh script to run mplayer 
> or custom simulations... These scripts will obviously not work without 
> the movies or my simulator binaries...
impresssive (a pitty that my french is not good enough to understand all this stuff; playing with such crawling machinery is still on my agenda) 

i hope that you got it printed in full color and nicely bound 

Hans 

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hi Hans,

Hans Hagen a écrit :

>impresssive (a pitty that my french is not good enough to understand all this stuff; playing with such crawling machinery is still on my agenda) 
>  
>
Gavin Miller was not a roboticist... and when he plays with "such
crawling machines", hum, the result is great !
I'm waiting for a BabyHans robot ! ;)

>i hope that you got it printed in full color and nicely bound 
>  
>
I got it printed on a LaserJet 2300 on high quality A4 paper... It was a
pain (specially recto-verso because you needed to be just next to the
printer) to print all the print out I needed but the result looks very
nice. I've done the best I can from myself. I have used a glued
transparent cover and hard front and back cover page.

Renaud

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Hans Hagen]

Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> Hi Hans,
>
> Hans Hagen a écrit :
>> impresssive (a pitty that my french is not good enough to understand all this stuff; playing with such crawling machinery is still on my agenda) 
>>   
> Gavin Miller was not a roboticist... and when he plays with "such 
> crawling machines", hum, the result is great !
> I'm waiting for a BabyHans robot ! ;)
When taco and I attended the lua conference (in nl) there was a robit 
being demonstrated running on lua ; i do have this lego kit and i'm 
waiting for the lua mindstorm lua controller; it's till on my agenda to 
use metapost to let such a device draw large pictures

Hans


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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Hans Hagen a écrit :

>When taco and I attended the lua conference (in nl) there was a robit 
>being demonstrated running on lua ; i do have this lego kit and i'm 
>waiting for the lua mindstorm lua controller; it's till on my agenda to 
>use metapost to let such a device draw large pictures
>  
>
Great ! The use of scripting language in robotics is a trend. See URBI,
pyRob, etc.

The very first time I've heard of Lua (2003|2004):
http://q12.org/lua/index.html (Russell Smith is the father of ODE, the
physics engine I use)

;)

Renaud

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[David Antos]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 11:50:08PM +0200, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
> Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD
> dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...

Hi all,

I'll also give a link to a PhD ``sample document'' ;). You can find my PhD
thesis at http://sitola.fi.muni.cz/~antos/thesis.pdf

Well, it isn't as complex as Renaud's work (talking about typography, it's
a high-level science, of course ;))), someone may be interested in
algorithm typesetting.

I'd like to thank Hans for his kind support (to name an example, today, a
mechanism for named numbered lemmas is part of ConTeXt).

Yours,
D.A.

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Oliver Buerschaper]

Hello David,

May I ask a newbie question? How did you create the lemmas?

I found a mysterious "startlemma" in core-des.tex via the ConTeXt  
garden source browser but

\startlemma
Some statement ...
\stoplemma

didn't work for me :-(

Oliver


> Hi all,
>
> I'll also give a link to a PhD ``sample document'' ;). You can find  
> my PhD
> thesis at http://sitola.fi.muni.cz/~antos/thesis.pdf
>
> Well, it isn't as complex as Renaud's work (talking about  
> typography, it's
> a high-level science, of course ;))), someone may be interested in
> algorithm typesetting.
>
> I'd like to thank Hans for his kind support (to name an example,  
> today, a
> mechanism for named numbered lemmas is part of ConTeXt).
>
> Yours,
> D.A.

Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[David Antos]

On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 02:57:51PM +0100, Oliver Buerschaper wrote:
> May I ask a newbie question? How did you create the lemmas?

Hello,

today, lemmas can be based on description/enumeration mechanism (I believe
it's been in ConTeXt since circa January 2006).

Descriptions now accept parameter title=yes. Using that, you can provide a
title to the description. Have a look into core-des.tex.

> I found a mysterious "startlemma" in core-des.tex via the ConTeXt
> garden source browser but

Naturally, the example of lemma definition is commented out ;)

Copy 
\defineenumeration[lemma][title=yes, titlestyle=\bs, list=lemma]
into your document and try to use
\startlemma{title of the lemma}
blah blah
\stoplemma

Check parameters of descriptions in the manual, you can find some options
related to the title mechanism.

Yours,
D.A.

P.S.: I've achieved the same functionality by means of ugly hacks that
depend on ConTeXt version strongly.  That's why I don't send you my
configuration.

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Oliver Buerschaper]

Thanks very much ... I tried it out and it worked. But I guess I'll  
have to spend some more time fiddling around with the options to make  
it look similar to what I'm used from the AMSLaTeX package.

Cheers,
Oliver


>> May I ask a newbie question? How did you create the lemmas?
>
> Hello,
>
> today, lemmas can be based on description/enumeration mechanism (I  
> believe
> it's been in ConTeXt since circa January 2006).
>
> Descriptions now accept parameter title=yes. Using that, you can  
> provide a
> title to the description. Have a look into core-des.tex.
>
>> I found a mysterious "startlemma" in core-des.tex via the ConTeXt
>> garden source browser but
>
> Naturally, the example of lemma definition is commented out ;)
>
> Copy
> \defineenumeration[lemma][title=yes, titlestyle=\bs, list=lemma]
> into your document and try to use
> \startlemma{title of the lemma}
> blah blah
> \stoplemma
>
> Check parameters of descriptions in the manual, you can find some  
> options
> related to the title mechanism.
>
> Yours,
> D.A.
>
> P.S.: I've achieved the same functionality by means of ugly hacks that
> depend on ConTeXt version strongly.  That's why I don't send you my
> configuration.

Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 10/26/06, Renaud AUBIN <aubin@nibua-r.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  Maybe some of yours (from the ConTeXt POV) can be interested by my PhD
> dissertation and my presentation (both in french)...
>
>  http://www.nibua-r.org/ConTeXt/PhD/

Nice work! I can't read French, but the figures are very nice and
content is probably interesting as well ;)

I didn't know that people were indeed using the module already (I
started using it more regularly only recently).

Now one question: how exactly did you create/include the plots? With
"which version of the module"? I don't mind if some of my plots break
if I slightly change the interface before officially releasing it, but
I don't want other people to have problems with that.

Mojca

Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

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Mojca Miklavec a écrit :

>
>Nice work! I can't read French, but the figures are very nice and
>content is probably interesting as well ;)
>  
>
Thanks!

>I didn't know that people were indeed using the module already (I
>started using it more regularly only recently).
>  
>
dunno (but hope so because of the result...)

>Now one question: how exactly did you create/include the plots? With
>"which version of the module"? I don't mind if some of my plots break
>if I slightly change the interface before officially releasing it, but
>I don't want other people to have problems with that.
>
You're right. I've used the latest darcs' release (up to the "points
added, some options, etc..." patch). For the inclusion, it's better to
have an example in mind:

%%%% file curves.gp
set terminal context input textext linewidth .3 size 1.2

set output "curves.tex"

set xlabel "$x$ (m)"
set ylabel "$z$ (m)"

set notitle
plot sin(x) with lines lw 2 notitle

set xlabel "$t$ (s)"
set ylabel "a label"

set notitle
plot cos(x)

%%%% file gpsample.tex:
\usemodule[t-gnuplot]

\setupcolors[state=start]

\starttext
\processGNUPLOTfile[mybeautifulcurves][curves]

\placefigure[here]{none}{
  \startcombination[1*2]
  {\useMPgraphic{gpg:mybeautifulcurves:1}}{$\sin$}
  {\useMPgraphic{gpg:mybeautifulcurves:2}}{$\cos$}
  \stopcombination
}

\stoptext

The output is processed using:
gnuplot curves.gp
texexec gpsample

With this method, the gnuplot call delivers a curves.tex file one could
keep as long as the plot doesn't change... Can be usefull when you have
a big document! ;)

I'll write a paper entitled "How to get a PhD with... ConTeXt" asap (I
have the summary and the ideas but time is missing these days, as always
and, moreover because of my new job...). It'll mainly be a paper about
integration (m-bib, gnuplot, mp, etc...)

Best regards


Renaud

PS: what will you do to manage your gnuplot module for ConTeXt ? Include
it into official gnuplot ? It's maybe the time to keep it "well
managed", with supelec foundry for example... What your opinion ?


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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 11/13/06, Renaud AUBIN wrote:
>
>  Mojca Miklavec a écrit :
>
>  Nice work! I can't read French, but the figures are very nice and
> content is probably interesting as well ;)
>
>  Thanks!
>
>  I didn't know that people were indeed using the module already (I
> started using it more regularly only recently).
>
>  dunno (but hope so because of the result...)
>
>  Now one question: how exactly did you create/include the plots? With
> "which version of the module"? I don't mind if some of my plots break
> if I slightly change the interface before officially releasing it, but
> I don't want other people to have problems with that.
>  You're right. I've used the latest darcs' release (up to the "points added,
> some options, etc..." patch). For the inclusion, it's better to have an
> example in mind:
>
>  %%%% file curves.gp
>  set terminal context input textext linewidth .3 size 1.2

textext? Did it work? On my computer it hangs after approximately 13
plots. The suggested option is to use "sometxt" now.

input is the default anyway

>  set output "curves.tex"
>
>  set xlabel "$x$ (m)"
>  set ylabel "$z$ (m)"
>
>  set notitle
>  plot sin(x) with lines lw 2 notitle
>
>  set xlabel "$t$ (s)"
>  set ylabel "a label"
>
>  set notitle
>  plot cos(x)
>
>  %%%% file gpsample.tex:
>  \usemodule[t-gnuplot]
>
>  \setupcolors[state=start]
>
>  \starttext
>  \processGNUPLOTfile[mybeautifulcurves][curves]
>
>  \placefigure[here]{none}{
>    \startcombination[1*2]
>    {\useMPgraphic{gpg:mybeautifulcurves:1}}{$\sin$}
>    {\useMPgraphic{gpg:mybeautifulcurves:2}}{$\cos$}
>    \stopcombination
>  }

\useGNUPLOTgraphic[mybeautifulcurves][1] should work (I have to check
- perhaps I forgot to prevent from loading the file once more).

Looks as if \useGPgraphic shortcuts would be needed ;)

>  \stoptext
>
>  The output is processed using:
>  gnuplot curves.gp
>  texexec gpsample
>
>  With this method, the gnuplot call delivers a curves.tex file one could
> keep as long as the plot doesn't change... Can be usefull when you have a
> big document! ;)

Sure. With md5 checksums new gnuplot runs should be prevented ... (if
I ever come so far to know how to implement it or if Hans kindl offers
a solution ;)

Even better (faster) if you have a compiled version of plots and only
include PDF ;)

>  I'll write a paper entitled "How to get a PhD with... ConTeXt" asap (I have
> the summary and the ideas but time is missing these days, as always and,
> moreover because of my new job...). It'll mainly be a paper about
> integration (m-bib, gnuplot, mp, etc...)

Great!

>  Renaud
>
>  PS: what will you do to manage your gnuplot module for ConTeXt ? Include it
> into official gnuplot ? It's maybe the time to keep it "well managed", with
> supelec foundry for example... What your opinion ?

I just finished dummy parsing of font switches (terminals should
implement set font "fontname,fontsize"), I have to implement palettes
and then the first phase of the terminal will be ready (still missing
are the binary images and more clever handling of palettes)

The only thing I would like to sort out before officially releaing it:
some new things come and will come to the gnuplot core (like
transparency). I'm thinking about replacing the syntax from something
like
    gp_put_text(x, y, gp_align_left, \sometxt{...}, ...)
to something more general:
    gp_put_text("align=left,x=...,y=...")
which basically means any number of optional parameters and
consequently no problems with backward compatibility later if
additional options will be added (such as transparency, ...).

That should go to gnuplot CVS then.

And t-gnuplot is/will be on modules.contextgarden.net (Hans might add
it to distribution once it's ready/stable etc.)
That one is not so clean yet. I need to implement changing the color &
similar with \setupGNUPLOT[colorset=...,pointset=...,size=...,linewidth=...,
...]

Mojca

Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:
> Sure. With md5 checksums new gnuplot runs should be prevented ... (if
> I ever come so far to know how to implement it or if Hans kindl offers
> a solution ;)
>   
so that you can blame me for the bugs -)

texmfstart --ifchanged=yourfile.gpt --bin gnuplot yourfile.gpt 

(in mkiv i will do the md5 check inside tex) 

>
> And t-gnuplot is/will be on modules.contextgarden.net (Hans might add
> it to distribution once it's ready/stable etc.)
>   
which is when?
> That one is not so clean yet. I need to implement changing the color &
> similar with \setupGNUPLOT[colorset=...,pointset=...,size=...,linewidth=...,
> ....]
>   
maybe at least have a release before tex live gets frozen ... 20/11 

Hans 

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Re: How to get a PhD with ConTeXt (+ hard work ;) )

[Renaud AUBIN]

Hi Mojca,

Mojca Miklavec a écrit :

>textext? Did it work? On my computer it hangs after approximately 13
>plots. The suggested option is to use "sometxt" now.
>  
>
textext works for me, all my plots use this option.

>Even better (faster) if you have a compiled version of plots and only
>include PDF ;)
>  
>
Ok, but what about font embedding ? I precisely like to proceed the plot
as mp code because of the embedding of fonts...
I explain: when I began ConTeXt, I included plots as pdf from
LaTeX+PStricks and I observed an annoying fact, i.e. the fonts are
embedded twice !
For this reason, when I heard of a context (via mp) term, I tried it...
with success...


Renaud