the same old \column problem

the same old \column problem

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Hans et al,

did \column ever work or is it supposed to?
I.e. I guess I should be able "jump" to the next column in

\startcolumns

...

\column % next column

...

\stopcolumns


Without the \column, it works only for longer paragraphs,
but e.g. not with \startlines - I'm trying to typeset lyrics,
and the column *always* breaks within a verse instead of between,
even if all the verses have the same number of lines, so that
it would be easily possible to balance cleanly.


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Hraban
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Re: the same old \column problem

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

no comments on that?

Am 2006-11-08 um 21:38 schrieb Henning Hraban Ramm:

> Hans et al,
>
> did \column ever work or is it supposed to?
> I.e. I guess I should be able "jump" to the next column in
>
> \startcolumns
>
> ...
>
> \column % next column
>
> ...
>
> \stopcolumns
>
>
> Without the \column, it works only for longer paragraphs,
> but e.g. not with \startlines - I'm trying to typeset lyrics,
> and the column *always* breaks within a verse instead of between,
> even if all the verses have the same number of lines, so that
> it would be easily possible to balance cleanly.
>
>
> Greetlings from Lake Constance!
> Hraban

Re: the same old \column problem

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Hans et al,
>
> did \column ever work or is it supposed to?
> I.e. I guess I should be able "jump" to the next column in
>
> \startcolumns
>
> ....
>
> \column % next column
>
> ....
>
> \stopcolumns
>
>
> Without the \column, it works only for longer paragraphs,
> but e.g. not with \startlines - I'm trying to typeset lyrics,
> and the column *always* breaks within a verse instead of between,
> even if all the verses have the same number of lines, so that
> it would be easily possible to balance cleanly.
>
>   
this \column is kind of tricky; balancing works best when grid is enabled; you can try to add \crlf's to influence column split a bit 

Hans 

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Re: the same old \column problem

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 2006-11-15 um 22:36 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> Without the \column, it works only for longer paragraphs,
>> but e.g. not with \startlines - I'm trying to typeset lyrics,
>> and the column *always* breaks within a verse instead of between,
>> even if all the verses have the same number of lines, so that
>> it would be easily possible to balance cleanly.
> this \column is kind of tricky; balancing works best when grid is  
> enabled; you can try to add \crlf's to influence column split a bit

Ok, but without \column, it should balance the columns if possible,  
right?
My main problem at the moment (see above) are columns in "lines"  
mode, for lyrics.
It worked once, but it broke some betas (3 months?) before.

Luckily my songbook doesn't need to be complete until christmas (I  
planned so, but we don't get the reprint permissions in time).

I like to boast how great a tool TeX and especially ConTeXt are, but  
everytime I try to do some real work with it, I run into "unsolvable"  
problems (or unstable code) like this...
:-(


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
Hraban
---
http://www.fiee.net/texnique/
http://contextgarden.net
http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

Re: the same old \column problem

[Hans Hagen]

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 2006-11-15 um 22:36 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>   
>>> Without the \column, it works only for longer paragraphs,
>>> but e.g. not with \startlines - I'm trying to typeset lyrics,
>>> and the column *always* breaks within a verse instead of between,
>>> even if all the verses have the same number of lines, so that
>>> it would be easily possible to balance cleanly.
>>>       
>> this \column is kind of tricky; balancing works best when grid is  
>> enabled; you can try to add \crlf's to influence column split a bit
>>     
>
> Ok, but without \column, it should balance the columns if possible,  
> right?
> My main problem at the moment (see above) are columns in "lines"  
> mode, for lyrics.
> It worked once, but it broke some betas (3 months?) before.
>
> Luckily my songbook doesn't need to be complete until christmas (I  
> planned so, but we don't get the reprint permissions in time).
>
> I like to boast how great a tool TeX and especially ConTeXt are, but  
> everytime I try to do some real work with it, I run into "unsolvable"  
> problems (or unstable code) like this...
> :-(
>   
this is because columns are not natural to tex so any solution is a compromize and side effects are hard to predict; in luatex we will have more control cq. info available to make decisions. 

esp \columns is a problem because it interferes with grid stuff and such; columnsets are then a better solution

of the poems are one page max, streams may be a solution (they are independent pages that can be put on the main stream 

Hans 

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