From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/31954 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: the same old \column problem Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:59:15 +0100 Message-ID: <456570F3.7060402@wxs.nl> References: <25282986-FAD6-41FF-9C23-BB712B325315@fiee.net> <455B884C.9060801@wxs.nl> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1164275975 30058 80.91.229.2 (23 Nov 2006 09:59:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Thu Nov 23 10:59:32 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GnBMe-0001tT-SM for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:59:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE551FF60; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:58:17 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15675-01-3; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:58:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762761FF35; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:58:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0981FF3A for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:58:08 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 15675-01-2 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:58:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id B26631FF2E for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:58:05 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.104] (unverified [10.100.1.104]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.7b8) with ESMTP id 19752 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 10:59:16 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (Windows/20061025) Original-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In-Reply-To: X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-274017400 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:31954 Archived-At: Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: > Am 2006-11-15 um 22:36 schrieb Hans Hagen: > >>> Without the \column, it works only for longer paragraphs, >>> but e.g. not with \startlines - I'm trying to typeset lyrics, >>> and the column *always* breaks within a verse instead of between, >>> even if all the verses have the same number of lines, so that >>> it would be easily possible to balance cleanly. >>> >> this \column is kind of tricky; balancing works best when grid is >> enabled; you can try to add \crlf's to influence column split a bit >> > > Ok, but without \column, it should balance the columns if possible, > right? > My main problem at the moment (see above) are columns in "lines" > mode, for lyrics. > It worked once, but it broke some betas (3 months?) before. > > Luckily my songbook doesn't need to be complete until christmas (I > planned so, but we don't get the reprint permissions in time). > > I like to boast how great a tool TeX and especially ConTeXt are, but > everytime I try to do some real work with it, I run into "unsolvable" > problems (or unstable code) like this... > :-( > this is because columns are not natural to tex so any solution is a compromize and side effects are hard to predict; in luatex we will have more control cq. info available to make decisions. esp \columns is a problem because it interferes with grid stuff and such; columnsets are then a better solution of the poems are one page max, streams may be a solution (they are independent pages that can be put on the main stream Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------