* new debian context, upload to Debian
@ 2006-12-19 18:04 Norbert Preining
2006-12-20 8:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-22 10:07 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 Norbert Preining
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-19 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi all!
context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place:
deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give
suggestions/remarks/comments!
Thanks a lot
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-19 18:04 new debian context, upload to Debian Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-20 8:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-20 12:53 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:07 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 Norbert Preining
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-12-20 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: debian-tex-maint
Hi Norbert,
Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place:
> deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
>
> I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give
> suggestions/remarks/comments!
I am not a debian user so I will not comment on the package itself,
but I fully expect a new release from Hans today, so perhaps it
is better to wait a few hours before uploading.
Greetings, Taco
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 8:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-12-20 12:53 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-20 13:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-20 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
Hi Taco!
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >context 2006.12.17-0.1 is available from the usual place:
> > deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
> >
> >I want to upload this package to Debian proper soon. Please give
> >suggestions/remarks/comments!
>
> I am not a debian user so I will not comment on the package itself,
> but I fully expect a new release from Hans today, so perhaps it
> is better to wait a few hours before uploading.
Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper
inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in
cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img.
Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible?
Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like
context-nonfree.
BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
luatex which I am also packaging.
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 12:53 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-20 13:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-20 14:19 ` [NTG-context] " Frank Küster
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-12-20 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
Norbert Preining wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks a lot. May I ask you something about copyright: For proper
> inclusion I really need to know the copyright not only of the files in
> cont-tmf, but aslo in the others, cont-ext, cont-fnt, cont-img.
The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't
like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian.
Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img
is either GPLv2 or Public Domain.
> Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible?
> Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like
> context-nonfree.
>
> BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
> luatex which I am also packaging.
Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
know how to deal with unstable software.
Greetings, Taco
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 13:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-12-20 14:19 ` Frank Küster
2006-12-20 14:58 ` Norbert Preining
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From: Frank Küster @ 2006-12-20 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Norbert Preining, mailing list for ConTeXt users,
debian-tex-maint, Mike Bird
Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img
> is either GPLv2 or Public Domain.
Well, the interesting question is "what is what?" It's quite important
to not handle a GPL'ed file as if it was Public Domain.
>> Is there any chance to get a statement of them beign DFSG compatible?
>> Otherwise I have to exclude some of it and put it into something like
>> context-nonfree.
>>
>> BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
>> luatex which I am also packaging.
>
> Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
> experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
> know how to deal with unstable software.
I have no opinion about this particular case, but if we only upload it
to Debian experimental, we can expect its users to be able to deal with
unstable and totally broken software.
Regards, Frank
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 13:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-20 14:19 ` [NTG-context] " Frank Küster
@ 2006-12-20 14:58 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-20 23:19 ` Hans Hagen
2006-12-20 15:01 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 9:45 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-20 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
Hi Taco!
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't
> like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian.
Ok.
> Everything in (the current versions of) cont-ext, cont-fmt and cont-img
> is either GPLv2 or Public Domain.
Thanks for clarification.
> >BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
> >luatex which I am also packaging.
>
> Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
> experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
> know how to deal with unstable software.
I know, I will call the package
luatex-snapshot
upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its
usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental
anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early
adoption then late work.
The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but
still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will
serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under
package management control on my system ;-)
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 13:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-20 14:19 ` [NTG-context] " Frank Küster
2006-12-20 14:58 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-20 15:01 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-20 23:15 ` Hans Hagen
2006-12-22 9:45 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-20 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint, Mike Bird
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
> >luatex which I am also packaging.
>
> Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
> experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
> know how to deal with unstable software.
I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a
packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us
know, we can also forget about the packaging for now.
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 15:01 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-20 23:15 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-12-20 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Taco Hoekwater, debian-tex-maint
Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>>> BTW, as you are also one of the luatex people, same problem exists for
>>> luatex which I am also packaging.
>>>
>> Please, please don't do that. The snapshots are bug-ridden and totally
>> experimental. In this stage, we much prefer having only testers that
>> know how to deal with unstable software.
>>
>
> I forgot to say: If you or the team have strong feelings *against* a
> packaged version, even if it is accompanied by big warnings etc, let us
> know, we can also forget about the packaging for now.
>
>
taco's remark only concerns luatex binaries; these are on and off
stable; for instance the new file io part is rather ok now, but
currently taco is redoing much of the font part; somewhere mid 2007
there will be the first more or less beta version, and around tug 2007
there will be the first formal beta release; this means that upto then,
checked in versions can be rather unstable; concerning context: we use
context for torture testing luatex (related context code is versioned as
'mkiv code' but is not yet distributed) but this testing does not
influence (much) the current context distribution (mkii code)
so, no need to worry -)
Hans
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 14:58 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-20 23:19 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-12-20 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Taco Hoekwater, debian-tex-maint
Norbert Preining wrote:
>
> I know, I will call the package
> luatex-snapshot
> upload it to experimental, and people will get a warning about its
> usage. It is ok this way, not many people will get it from experimental
> anyway, but I want to have it around for testing, and better early
> adoption then late work.
>
ok, for the sake if testing integration, compilation, etc, making a
debian package makes sense; as long as you add some 'no support
whatsoever' clause
(btw, is may also help if lua is installed as part of the system
utilities; it's small so ...)
just for fun: you can use luatex as lua interpreter:
luatex --lua somescript.lua
with somescript.lua being
print("I'm LuaTeX!")
is a nice testcase.
> The point is that there are people who don't want to compile things but
> still are able to test stuff. For those luatex-snapshot pacakged will
> serve, too (and for me, because I don't want to have packages not under
> package management control on my system ;-)
>
ok
Hans
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-20 13:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2006-12-20 15:01 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 9:45 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:03 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 9:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint, Mike Bird
Hi Taco!
On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't
> like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian.
find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this
intended, or how are the fonts called ...
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-22 9:45 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 10:03 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-22 10:10 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-12-22 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi Taco!
>
> On Mit, 20 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
>>The cows fonts (inside cont-tmf) are cc-by-nd. TeXLive doesn't
>>like that, so perhaps the same is true for debian.
>
>
> find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this
> intended, or how are the fonts called ...
Try
find . -name koei\*
(koe == cow in dutch)
Best, Taco
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* new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-19 18:04 new debian context, upload to Debian Norbert Preining
2006-12-20 8:22 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-12-22 10:07 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:12 ` Norbert Preining
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 10:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi all!
New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1
deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian:
- copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that
everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't
find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up.
- Description: As Frank noted, something less commercial and more
descriptive.
- man pages for all the funny applications ... Or only one for
texmfstart, but this would be a bit of cheating ...
Anyone stepping forward to help here?
(This request is also going to the context list, maybe there is someone
eager to contribute something ;-)))
Best wishes and thanks a lot
Norbert
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context, upload to Debian
2006-12-22 10:03 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-12-22 10:10 ` Norbert Preining
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 10:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint, Mike Bird
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> >find . -name \*cow\* does not give me anything with 2006.12.21, is this
> >intended, or how are the fonts called ...
>
> Try
>
> find . -name koei\*
>
> (koe == cow in dutch)
Ahh thanks, ok these fonts are gone. I will package anyway a
context-nonfree (including the documentation) which also will carry the
fonts (I hope I come around this!)
Best wishes
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 10:07 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 10:12 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
2006-12-22 14:51 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 10:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Norbert Preining wrote:
> New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1
>
> deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
>
> Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian:
> - copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that
> everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't
> find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up.
Those fonts are removed, it was the koei* files, they are not included
in the .orig.tar.gz anymore, and will probably make it into -nonfree.
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 10:07 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:12 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
2006-12-22 10:50 ` Mike Bird
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From: Frank Küster @ 2006-12-22 10:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: debian-tex-maint, Mike Bird, ntg-context
Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at> wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> New upstream, new debian package 2006.12.21-0.1
>
> deb(-src) http://www.tug.org/texlive/Debian/ context/
>
> Missing before I can upload (will upload) to Debian:
> - copyright file needs to be extended. I got the OK from Taco that
> everything but the cows fonts are GPLv2 or PD, those fonts I couldn't
> find for now, so it seems that it is ok. I have to write something up.
Moreover, it's not acceptable for a Debian upload (and IMHO hardly
acceptable for providing an archive for download) to mix in one archive
GPL'ed and PD files, without clearly listing which is which. After all,
PD means "you can do anything", while the GPL is Copyleft, or in other
words one of the most restrictive Open Source licenses.
> - Description: As Frank noted, something less commercial and more
> descriptive.
And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would
want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX.
Regards, Frank
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
@ 2006-12-22 10:50 ` Mike Bird
2006-12-22 13:46 ` License stuff for ConTeXt Norbert Preining
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From: Mike Bird @ 2006-12-22 10:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ntg-context
On Friday 22 December 2006 02:29, Frank Küster wrote:
> And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would
> want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX.
My 2 cents:
Context has more coherent design, more control of page layout, more
choice of font sizes, more direct control of pretty much everything.
The automatic iterated construction of TOC, index, references, etc
is nice too.
The docs I build are subject to various formatting requirements laid
down in law. They are feasible in both OpenOffice and Context but
they are not feasible in Latex without a great deal of work.
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* License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
2006-12-22 10:50 ` Mike Bird
@ 2006-12-22 13:46 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 14:37 ` Mojca Miklavec
2006-12-22 14:46 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-22 15:42 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 luigi scarso
2006-12-22 16:03 ` Aditya Mahajan
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 13:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: debian-tex-maint
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Hi all!
You know what is coming ...
First statement: I would prefer to have context in Debian proper, but if
we cannot get anyway with this, putting all the stuff into the nonfree
section might be an option, although it doesn't sound right.
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Frank Küster wrote:
> Moreover, it's not acceptable for a Debian upload (and IMHO hardly
> acceptable for providing an archive for download) to mix in one archive
> GPL'ed and PD files, without clearly listing which is which. After all,
> PD means "you can do anything", while the GPL is Copyleft, or in other
> words one of the most restrictive Open Source licenses.
Ok, I made a list of files in the for zips and took a look. Now it would
be nice to have statements from the respective people about the license:
Please see included stuff:
First cont-img.zip:
./tex/context/sample/cow.pdf
./tex/context/sample/hacker.jpg
./tex/context/sample/mill.png
./tex/context/sample/spider.eps
I assume/hope that these are PD
------------------------------------
cont-fnt contains a huge bunch of vf/afm/tfm/map files. I assume that
they were generated from some fontinst source, but this is missing.
Anyway, there is no accompanying readme or whatsoever besides the one
for lucida.
-----------------------------------
cont-ext seems to be ok besides a few points:
t-lettrine.tex does not have a license statement
t-urwgaramond, type-urwgaramond, type-urwgothic: no license
statement
A different thing is that the sources of many doc are not included:
./doc/context/third/bnf/t-bnf.pdf NOSOURCE
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So I would have to put them in something like context-nonfree (like
other context documentation)
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Finally cont-tmf seems to be clear, I didn't check all the files, I hope
that I will get a blanket statement like:
All the files in cont-tmf are GPL, but the files with filename
containing koei* which are CC-plus-ND.
This way I can just strip the koei* stuff and put it into
context-nonfree.
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So please let me know ...
Best would actually be to put a files MANIFEST.GPL, MANIFEST.PD,
MANIFEST.CC-plus-ND into all the zip files. This way we could just
forget about all this and ONLY if you add a file you have to update the
MANIFEST.*.
Does this sound reasonable?
I attach the MANFIEST.$zipfile to these email where I added some
comments.
Best wishes
Norbert
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./tex/context/patterns/lang-de.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-deo.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-deo.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-en.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-en.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-es.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-es.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-fi.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-fi.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-fr.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-fr.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-hr.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-hr.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-hu.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-hu.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-is.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-is.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-it.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-it.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-la.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-la.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-nl.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-no.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-no.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-pl.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-pl.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-pt.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-pt.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-ro.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-ro.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-ru.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-ru.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-sk.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-sk.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-sl.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-sl.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-sv.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-sv.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-tr.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-tr.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-uk.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-uk.pat
./tex/context/patterns/lang-us.hyp
./tex/context/patterns/lang-us.pat
./tex/context/sample/aesop-de.tex
./tex/context/sample/bryson.tex
./tex/context/sample/davis.tex
./tex/context/sample/dawkins.tex
./tex/context/sample/demo-mps.tex
./tex/context/sample/demo-tex.tex
./tex/context/sample/demo-xml.tex
./tex/context/sample/douglas.tex
./tex/context/sample/hawking.tex
./tex/context/sample/knuth.tex
./tex/context/sample/materie.tex
./tex/context/sample/reich.tex
./tex/context/sample/sample.tex
./tex/context/sample/thuan.tex
./tex/context/sample/tufte.tex
./tex/context/sample/ward.tex
./tex/context/sample/zapf.tex
./tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme
./tex/generic/context/m-ch-de.tex
./tex/generic/context/m-ch-en.tex
./tex/generic/context/m-ch-nl.tex
./tex/generic/context/m-metapo.tex
./tex/generic/context/mptopdf.tex
./tex/generic/context/ppchtex.noc
./tex/latex/context/m-ch-de.sty
./tex/latex/context/m-ch-en.sty
./tex/latex/context/m-ch-nl.sty
./tex/latex/context/m-metapo.sty
./tex/latex/context/m-pictex.sty
./tpm/t-bib.tpm
./tpm/u-texshow.tpm
./web2c/context.cnf
./web2c/natural.tcx
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 13:46 ` License stuff for ConTeXt Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 14:37 ` Mojca Miklavec
2006-12-22 17:25 ` Hans Hagen
2006-12-22 14:46 ` Taco Hoekwater
1 sibling, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: Mojca Miklavec @ 2006-12-22 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 12/22/06, Norbert Preining wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> You know what is coming ...
>
> First statement: I would prefer to have context in Debian proper, but if
> we cannot get anyway with this, putting all the stuff into the nonfree
> section might be an option, although it doesn't sound right.
>
> Ok, I made a list of files in the for zips and took a look. Now it would
> be nice to have statements from the respective people about the license:
> Please see included stuff:
>
...
>
> cont-fnt contains a huge bunch of vf/afm/tfm/map files. I assume that
> they were generated from some fontinst source, but this is missing.
Hans will know that better, but if you're talking about cont-fnt I
assume that all these files were created with texfont.
afm files contain a header like:
Comment Converted at Fri Mar 18 12:57:24 2005 by ttf2afm from font
file `arial.ttf'
(I guess that texfont calls ttf2afm in that case)
map files contain:
% This file is generated by the TeXFont Perl script.
ConTeXt doesn't use/need fontinst. I assume that all the files were
created only once by running texfont script once per each
font/encoding, most probably manually (although one could easily
reconstruct the ten lines needed to do the conversion). But I don't
know whether the fact that one needs a commercial font in order to
create and use those supporting files matters or not.
> Anyway, there is no accompanying readme or whatsoever besides the one
> for lucida.
>
> -----------------------------------
>
> cont-ext seems to be ok besides a few points:
> t-lettrine.tex does not have a license statement
> t-urwgaramond, type-urwgaramond, type-urwgothic: no license
> statement
> A different thing is that the sources of many doc are not included:
> ./doc/context/third/bnf/t-bnf.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/chromato/chromato-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/chromato/chromato-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/cmscbf/cmscbf-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/cmscbf/cmscbf-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/cmttbf/cmttbf-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/cmttbf/cmttbf-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/construction-plan/construction-plan-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/construction-plan/construction-plan-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/degrade/degrade-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/degrade/degrade-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/french/french-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/french/french-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/typearea/typearea-demo.pdf NOSOURCE
> ./doc/context/third/typearea/typearea-doc.pdf NOSOURCE
>
> So I would have to put them in something like context-nonfree (like
> other context documentation)
No. All those are all automatically generated from t-whatever.tex.
For example, to get french-demo.pdf you need to run
texexec --mode=demo t-french.tex
and to get french-doc you need to run
texexec --module t-french.tex
But now my question: when I process the document with "--module" (with
texexec.pl and pre-historic version of ConTeXt from april, if that's
relevant ;), I get a whole-page MP graphic on the first page. How are
the modulename-doc created? Are there any metapost-related settings
disabled or has the behavior of texexec changed in the meantime?
Mojca
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 13:46 ` License stuff for ConTeXt Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 14:37 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2006-12-22 14:46 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-22 16:00 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 16:58 ` Hans Hagen
1 sibling, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-12-22 14:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Hans Hagen, Frank Küster,
debian-tex-maint
Hi Norbert,
I had to go through this for TeXLive proper as well. Can't you
just ask Karl Berry cq. do what TexLive does (since it claims
to be Debian-compatible)?
Anyway, here is my list of remarks. I apologise beforehand if I
sound a bit unfriendly here or there, I do not completely agree
with DFSG (especially where it comes to requiring sources for
documentation) and that tends to show through in my prose. Also,
I am becoming worn out.
> First cont-img.zip:
All images in cont-img are GPLv2.
> cont-fnt contains a huge bunch of vf/afm/tfm/map files. I assume that
> they were generated from some fontinst source, but this is missing.
No, they were not, and there is no "missing source". The vf/tfm/map
were generated using the texfont program, which does not use source
files. The afms were created using ttf2afm, which uses ttfs as source.
> Anyway, there is no accompanying readme or whatsoever besides the one
> for lucida.
All the files in cont-fnt are GPLv2.
> cont-ext seems to be ok besides a few points:
> t-lettrine.tex does not have a license statement
Yes, it does. Top of file. PD. Perhaps you missed another then?
> t-urwgaramond, type-urwgaramond,
Peter, can you add the license statement and re-upload? (it is GPL,
according to Peter's own license statement on the contextgarden page
for this module)
> type-urwgothic: no license statement
PD, but I forgot to add the statement, sorry.
> A different thing is that the sources of many doc are not included:
All the demo and doc files are generated by running texexec in
"module" resp. "demo" mode on the actual macro sources, so the
source is already included (just like .dtx files are the source
of many latex packages' documentation)
> Best would actually be to put a files MANIFEST.GPL, MANIFEST.PD,
> MANIFEST.CC-plus-ND into all the zip files. This way we could just
> forget about all this and ONLY if you add a file you have to update the
> MANIFEST.*.
> Does this sound reasonable?
Sure, but only if you can promise this *will be* the end of it.
Otherwise, it only adds even more of a hassle (it seems whatever
we do, it is never quite enough).
> I attach the MANFIEST.$zipfile to these email where I added some
> comments.
> ./doc/context/third/bnf/t-bnf.pdf NOSOURCE
Not so, because:
> ./tex/context/third/bnf/t-bnf.tex
this is the source.
> ./doc/context/third/lettrine/W.pdf source missing
It is an image. If it would make you feel better, I can
convert it to png format, but then I would have to include
the pdf as the source of the png, wouldn't I? ;-)
> ./doc/context/document/general/manuals/tiptrick.pdf NOSOURCE
Do you prefer to have no file at all? Or is NOSOURCE better than
nothing? Consider that if these PDF documents were created using
InDesign, there would not even exist a source, anywhere.
From the entire list of pdfs, I believe this is the only one that
really does not have a source included where there could reasonably
be expected to be a source avaible somewhere.
> CC-plus-ND the following:
> ./doc/fonts/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.rme
"Anything starting with koei" -> CC-ND is correct (like you said
in another message). There was one in this list by mistake:
> ./fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-adobe-euro.map
that should be GPL.
Best,
Taco
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 10:07 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:12 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
@ 2006-12-22 14:51 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-22 16:33 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
2 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2006-12-22 14:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
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> - man pages for all the funny applications ... Or only one for
> texmfstart, but this would be a bit of cheating ...
For the November 2006 TeXLive code freeze, I wrote from scratch or
revised several ConTeXt manpages -- including a few originally
"written for the Debian system", so one good turn deserves another:
attached is the .tgz file (and its .zip equivalent) that I sent Karl
Berry.
These manpages mostly describe the ruby versions of the scripts
(e.g. texexec.rb not texexec.pl), whereas in some cases the Debian
package uses the older Perl versions?
-Sanjoy
`Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.'
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
2006-12-22 10:50 ` Mike Bird
2006-12-22 13:46 ` License stuff for ConTeXt Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 15:42 ` luigi scarso
2006-12-22 16:03 ` Aditya Mahajan
3 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: luigi scarso @ 2006-12-22 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
> And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would
See Mike Bird.
> want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX.
I use ConteXt for automatic-print-on-demand jobs.
from simple labels/stickers to complex multilanguage pricelists (i'm
in a print-hous)
I like for its object-oriented approach to typesettings, because it
fits well with
programs we use (and I made).
I've started years ago with Latex2.09, but it was too much complex to
program with it,
and dvi-to-pdf was too complex (maybe today it's no true, but I have
already made my choice).
luigi
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 14:46 ` Taco Hoekwater
@ 2006-12-22 16:00 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
2006-12-22 21:50 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-22 16:58 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Hans Hagen, Frank Küster,
debian-tex-maint
Hi Taco!
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> I had to go through this for TeXLive proper as well. Can't you
Oh, sorry I missed this. Was it on the tex-live list? If yes, then all
this is my fault, if no, hmm, still sorry.
> Anyway, here is my list of remarks. I apologise beforehand if I
> sound a bit unfriendly here or there, I do not completely agree
No problem, I understand this. But OTOH see that we are bound to the
rules, too, even ...
> with DFSG (especially where it comes to requiring sources for
> documentation) and that tends to show through in my prose. Also,
... if I, too, don't agree about the documentation stuff. In fact I
agree half-way: I want to have the source code, even if some commercial
fonts are missing etc and would still consider this DFSG free. In fact I
started a discussion about it some time ago, since I believe it is
better to have (as an example):
fontinstallationguide.tex
fontinstallationguide.pdf
where the pdf contains some commercial fonts. The user still has the
source code, can do anything with it, AND has a
beautiful/readable/whatever document for printing.
I am often missing some "common sense" in these discussion, but OTOH I
understand that on the larger scale of a whole distribution this is
something a bit more complicated.
Anyway, for your remarks!
> I am becoming worn out.
Sorry for that.
> >First cont-img.zip:
>
> All images in cont-img are GPLv2.
Good.
> >cont-fnt contains a huge bunch of vf/afm/tfm/map files. I assume that
> >they were generated from some fontinst source, but this is missing.
>
> No, they were not, and there is no "missing source". The vf/tfm/map
> were generated using the texfont program, which does not use source
> files. The afms were created using ttf2afm, which uses ttfs as source.
Thanks for clarification.
> >Anyway, there is no accompanying readme or whatsoever besides the one
> >for lucida.
>
> All the files in cont-fnt are GPLv2.
Thanks.
> >cont-ext seems to be ok besides a few points:
> > t-lettrine.tex does not have a license statement
>
> Yes, it does. Top of file. PD. Perhaps you missed another then?
Missed, sorry.
> > t-urwgaramond, type-urwgaramond,
>
> Peter, can you add the license statement and re-upload? (it is GPL,
> according to Peter's own license statement on the contextgarden page
> for this module)
Thanks.
> > type-urwgothic: no license statement
>
> PD, but I forgot to add the statement, sorry.
>
> >A different thing is that the sources of many doc are not included:
>
> All the demo and doc files are generated by running texexec in
> "module" resp. "demo" mode on the actual macro sources, so the
> source is already included (just like .dtx files are the source
> of many latex packages' documentation)
AHHHHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umpf, didn't know this. Well, as
I said, I am new to ConTeXt ;-)
> >Best would actually be to put a files MANIFEST.GPL, MANIFEST.PD,
> >MANIFEST.CC-plus-ND into all the zip files. This way we could just
> >forget about all this and ONLY if you add a file you have to update the
> >MANIFEST.*.
>
> >Does this sound reasonable?
>
> Sure, but only if you can promise this *will be* the end of it.
> Otherwise, it only adds even more of a hassle (it seems whatever
> we do, it is never quite enough).
To be honest: This is the way MOST projects go. And with a statement
like this Debian Developers normally are more than content, they are
happy: It is NOT our job to check every single file. If upstream gives a
statement, we believe it. But it should be mentioned somewhere.
Yes, if you do this and keep it up to date, that would make it perfectly
simple for all of us:
- I just package everything which is DFSG compatible into context
- I just package the rest into context-nonfree
- The copyright statements includes the licenses as given and refers to
the relevant MANIFEST files.
As I said, it would help us (Debian) a lot, and I am sure it would also
help other distributions (TeX Live) a lot, because it is clear what can
be included and which conditions!
> >./doc/context/third/lettrine/W.pdf source missing
>
> It is an image. If it would make you feel better, I can
> convert it to png format, but then I would have to include
> the pdf as the source of the png, wouldn't I? ;-)
Well, the original source is I assume the respective MetaFont source of
Yannis Haralambous, but let's forget about it.
> >./doc/context/document/general/manuals/tiptrick.pdf NOSOURCE
>
> Do you prefer to have no file at all? Or is NOSOURCE better than
> nothing? Consider that if these PDF documents were created using
> InDesign, there would not even exist a source, anywhere.
As I said, I *cannot* include it into context, but I WILL it include, as
with the rest of the ConTeXt documentation into context-nonfree so that
people WILL have everything available.
The difference between normal and non-free in Debian is (only) that the
later one is non officially part of Debian, but is still distributed via
the Debian mirror system, so easily available.
> From the entire list of pdfs, I believe this is the only one that
> really does not have a source included where there could reasonably
> be expected to be a source avaible somewhere.
Thanks a lot.
> >CC-plus-ND the following:
> >./doc/fonts/hoekwater/koeieletters/koeieletters.rme
>
> "Anything starting with koei" -> CC-ND is correct (like you said
> in another message). There was one in this list by mistake:
Yup.
> > ./fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-adobe-euro.map
>
> that should be GPL.
My error.
Taco, thanks a lot for your work and all the best
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 10:29 ` Frank Küster
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2006-12-22 15:42 ` new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1 luigi scarso
@ 2006-12-22 16:03 ` Aditya Mahajan
2006-12-22 16:18 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
3 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2006-12-22 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Norbert Preining, debian-tex-maint
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Frank Küster wrote:
> And, in particular, something which explains in 5 lines why one would
> want to use ConTeXt instead of LaTeX.
The ConTeXt FAQ answers this question. The first one is a complete
explanation by Brooks Moses on c.t.t. while the second is a 5 line
explanation by Berend de Boer in LaTeX in proper ConTeXt.
What are the differences between ConTeXt and LaTeX?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_differences_between_ConTeXt_and_LaTeX.3F
What are the advantages of ConTeXt over LaTeX?
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_advantages_of_ConTeXt_over_LaTeX.3F
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 16:03 ` Aditya Mahajan
@ 2006-12-22 16:18 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 18:39 ` Mike Bird
0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 16:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
Hi all!
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> What are the differences between ConTeXt and LaTeX?
> http://wiki.contextgarden.net/FAQ#What_are_the_differences_between_ConTeXt_and_LaTeX.3F
Thanks I included some text from it into the control file, ie
description:
Description: powerful TeX format.
ConTeXt is a typographical engine written in the typographical computer
language TeX. ConTeXt provides you with a convenient way to encode documents
in a structured way and to typeset these documents in various ways on paper,
computer screen or web site.
.
The main difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX lies in the fact that LaTeX
was created with the idea of separating content and presentation to such
an extent that the typical author would write their content and then use
a style file created by someone else to provide the visual presentation.
.
ConTeXt, on the other hand, retained the idea of separating content and
presentation, but was created with the idea of being used for books, where
each book tends to have a different layout, and so the expected "end user" is
the person doing all the layout. Thus, it's designed to provide a vast amount
of flexibility for layout in a way that can be fairly easily defined without
needing to write a package
.
This package also contains MetaFun. MetaFun (a superset of well known
MetaPost) is a powerful system for vector graphics that is fully integrated
into ConTeXt, but also usable as a stand alone product.
.
MetaFun is not for interactive drawing applications and not for free hand
drawings. Its strength lies in the ability to enhance the document layout
with highly accurate graphic elements.
If someone wants to improve it ...
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 14:51 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2006-12-22 16:33 ` Norbert Preining
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-22 16:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint, Mike Bird
Hi Sanjoy!
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
> > - man pages for all the funny applications ... Or only one for
> > texmfstart, but this would be a bit of cheating ...
>
> For the November 2006 TeXLive code freeze, I wrote from scratch or
> revised several ConTeXt manpages -- including a few originally
> "written for the Debian system", so one good turn deserves another:
> attached is the .tgz file (and its .zip equivalent) that I sent Karl
> Berry.
Thanks a lot, installed them.
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 14:46 ` Taco Hoekwater
2006-12-22 16:00 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 16:58 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-12-22 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Frank Küster, Norbert Preining, debian-tex-maint
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
>
> No, they were not, and there is no "missing source". The vf/tfm/map
> were generated using the texfont program, which does not use source
> files. The afms were created using ttf2afm, which uses ttfs as source.
>
concerning vf tfm and map files: in most cases they are kind of derived
works; i think that most fonts (also commercial) permits making such
files else no app would work with them; i do hav ea few (commercial)
fonts on my machine with real weird and strict licences and i never put
stuff in zips for them.
> Do you prefer to have no file at all? Or is NOSOURCE better than
> nothing? Consider that if these PDF documents were created using
> InDesign, there would not even exist a source, anywhere.
>
indeed; the same is true for for instance the cow fonts .. including
sources would add some 750 meg image scans (from originals drawn by
duane) and quite some fontforge stuff as well; well, in a sense fonts
are special anyway ... the source is the pen and paper of the author
> From the entire list of pdfs, I believe this is the only one that
> really does not have a source included where there could reasonably
> be expected to be a source avaible somewhere.
>
in context there can be pdf files that are generated as sub processes
(think of images of examples in the source); in such case they can only
be generated when runtime processing is enabled
Hans
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 16:00 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
2006-12-22 21:50 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-12-22 17:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, Frank Küster,
Taco Hoekwater, debian-tex-maint
Norbert Preining wrote:
>
> .... if I, too, don't agree about the documentation stuff. In fact I
> agree half-way: I want to have the source code, even if some commercial
> fonts are missing etc and would still consider this DFSG free. In fact I
> started a discussion about it some time ago, since I believe it is
> better to have (as an example):
> fontinstallationguide.tex
> fontinstallationguide.pdf
> where the pdf contains some commercial fonts. The user still has the
> source code, can do anything with it, AND has a
> beautiful/readable/whatever document for printing.
>
> I am often missing some "common sense" in these discussion, but OTOH I
> understand that on the larger scale of a whole distribution this is
> something a bit more complicated.
>
>
When we have time, we put manual source code in the public svn repos at
one of our company servers which are mirrored by taco; one problem is
that i often use commercial fonts (ones i recently had to use in
projects) in order to get away from this 'yet another tex look'.
Sometimes i can define fallbacks but not always. The same is true for
some graphics (one reason for not putting all mp code i write online is
that i don't want them to be ripped off simply because they are part of
the context look and feel); this means that the all-source-available
principle cannot be met and therefore they will not be redistributed
which is a pitty for users
I hope that you manage to get that discussions rolling, since it's a
pitty that manuals are that restricted. I also wonder if it means that
'a source should be processable'. Btw, what is the source of an html
page (or makes the fact that it's readable it a source); i'm pretty sure
that much in the open source domain contains generated docs with the
real source missing (say an xml file and an xslt script)
Hans
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 14:37 ` Mojca Miklavec
@ 2006-12-22 17:25 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-12-22 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
> ConTeXt doesn't use/need fontinst. I assume that all the files were
> created only once by running texfont script once per each
> font/encoding, most probably manually (although one could easily
>
once per encoding
texfont --encoding=texnansi --batch type-tmf.dat
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 16:18 ` [NTG-context] " Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-22 18:39 ` Mike Bird
2006-12-22 19:19 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
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From: Mike Bird @ 2006-12-22 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users
On Friday 22 December 2006 08:18, Norbert Preining wrote:
> The main difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX lies in the fact that LaTeX
> was created with the idea of separating content and presentation to such
> an extent that the typical author would write their content and then use
> a style file created by someone else to provide the visual presentation.
> .
> ConTeXt, on the other hand, retained the idea of separating content and
> presentation, but was created with the idea of being used for books, where
> each book tends to have a different layout, and so the expected "end user"
> is the person doing all the layout. Thus, it's designed to provide a vast
> amount of flexibility for layout in a way that can be fairly easily defined
> without needing to write a package
Since one can move one's layout into a package in a few seconds and then
include that package into a document, I think this somewhat misses the mark.
Latexstualists may disagree but I think the essence is that Context gives
more control and makes it easier to create new layouts. Whether or not
those new layouts are in a document file or a separate package is not
relevant. Nor is the original purpose for which Context was created
relevant, as both Latex and Context are used for a lot more than math
papers and books.
--Mike Bird
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 18:39 ` Mike Bird
@ 2006-12-22 19:19 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-22 21:33 ` [NTG-context] " Aditya Mahajan
0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2006-12-22 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: debian-tex-maint
> Latexstualists may disagree but I think the essence is that Context
> gives more control and makes it easier to create new layouts.
Also the ConTeXt parts are more integrated than the LaTeX packages are
-- think of the discussions/comments about what order LaTeX packages
must be loaded. For example, the hyperref manual says to load it last
"to give it a fighting chance of not being over-written, since its job
is to redefine many LaTeX commands."
And ConText is also an example of the free-software philosophy of
"release often", sometimes twice a day!
-Sanjoy
`Never underestimate the evil of which men of power are capable.'
--Bertrand Russell, _War Crimes in Vietnam_, chapter 1.
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 19:19 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2006-12-22 21:33 ` Aditya Mahajan
2006-12-23 10:25 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-23 16:31 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
0 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Aditya Mahajan @ 2006-12-22 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: debian-tex-maint
On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
> > Latexstualists may disagree but I think the essence is that Context
> > gives more control and makes it easier to create new layouts.
>
> Also the ConTeXt parts are more integrated than the LaTeX packages are
> -- think of the discussions/comments about what order LaTeX packages
> must be loaded. For example, the hyperref manual says to load it last
> "to give it a fighting chance of not being over-written, since its job
> is to redefine many LaTeX commands."
>
> And ConText is also an example of the free-software philosophy of
> "release often", sometimes twice a day!
Here is my attempt to integrate everything said here with the UK TeX
FAQ entry and the wikipedia entry of ConTeXt, without pointing out all
the bad things about LaTeX. Everything said and done, LaTeX is much
better than Word Processors ;)
ConTeXt is a document preparation system based on the TeX typesetting
system. It was designed with the same general-purpose aims as LaTeX,
but being younger reflects much more recent thinking about the
structure of the markup, is more modular in its conception, and more
monolithic in its building. ConTeXt gives more control to the "end
user" and makes it easier to create new layout without learning TeX
macro language. ConTeXt is consistent in its design, and does not
suffer from the "package clashes" in LaTeX.
ConTeXt also integrates MetaFun which is a superset of MetaPost and a
powerful system for vector graphics. Metafun can be used as a stand
alone product, but its strength lies in the ability to enhance the
document layout with highly accurate graphic elements.
ConTeXt allows the users to use markup in different languages. Markup
in English, Dutch, German, French and Italian is supported at present.
ConTeXt allows the user to use different engines (pdftex, XeTeX,
aleph?, luatex?) without changing the user interface. ConText is
developed at a fast pace and is also an example of the free-software
philosophy of "release often", sometimes twice a day!
Aditya
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* Re: License stuff for ConTeXt
2006-12-22 16:00 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-22 17:05 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2006-12-22 21:50 ` Taco Hoekwater
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From: Taco Hoekwater @ 2006-12-22 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Hans Hagen, Frank Küster, debian-tex-maint
Hi Norbert,
Norbert Preining wrote:
>>
>>Sure, but only if you can promise this *will be* the end of it.
>>Otherwise, it only adds even more of a hassle (it seems whatever
>>we do, it is never quite enough).
>
> To be honest: This is the way MOST projects go. And with a statement
> like this Debian Developers normally are more than content, they are
> happy: It is NOT our job to check every single file. If upstream gives a
> statement, we believe it. But it should be mentioned somewhere.
>
> Yes, if you do this and keep it up to date, that would make it perfectly
> simple for all of us:
> - I just package everything which is DFSG compatible into context
> - I just package the rest into context-nonfree
> - The copyright statements includes the licenses as given and refers to
> the relevant MANIFEST files.
>
> As I said, it would help us (Debian) a lot, and I am sure it would also
> help other distributions (TeX Live) a lot, because it is clear what can
> be included and which conditions!
Ok, I'm convinced. I'll try to work this out soon-ish, but not this year
anymore. For the cont-ext files, I want to set up some automated system
based on the contextgarden.net information. That way, I won't have to
think about adding stuff manually, but it takes some time to create and
test the scripting.
>>>./doc/context/document/general/manuals/tiptrick.pdf NOSOURCE
>>
>>Do you prefer to have no file at all? Or is NOSOURCE better than
>>nothing? Consider that if these PDF documents were created using
>>InDesign, there would not even exist a source, anywhere.
>
> As I said, I *cannot* include it into context, but I WILL it include, as
> with the rest of the ConTeXt documentation into context-nonfree so that
> people WILL have everything available.
This is clear to me now, I read your later email about the context and
context-nonfree packages.
>
> Taco, thanks a lot for your work and all the best
Thank you too, for all your effort in packaging context.
Best wishes, Taco
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* Re: [NTG-context] new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 21:33 ` [NTG-context] " Aditya Mahajan
@ 2006-12-23 10:25 ` Norbert Preining
2006-12-23 16:31 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
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From: Norbert Preining @ 2006-12-23 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users, debian-tex-maint
On Fre, 22 Dez 2006, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> Here is my attempt to integrate everything said here with the UK TeX
> FAQ entry and the wikipedia entry of ConTeXt, without pointing out all
> the bad things about LaTeX. Everything said and done, LaTeX is much
> better than Word Processors ;)
Thanks a lot!
Best wishes
Norbert
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-22 21:33 ` [NTG-context] " Aditya Mahajan
2006-12-23 10:25 ` Norbert Preining
@ 2006-12-23 16:31 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-23 17:09 ` Idris Samawi Hamid
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From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2006-12-23 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Norbert Preining, debian-tex-maint
Here is Aditya's writeup with a few edits by this Mahajan. The part
that might have been unclear to someone reading it for the first time
is how ConTeXt can be modular yet monolithic:
It was designed with the same general-purpose aims as LaTeX, but
being younger reflects much more recent thinking about the structure
of the markup, is more modular in its conception, and more
monolithic in its building.
So I shortened that bit in the version below. Plus I added a bit
about color and hyperlinks, and I slightly softened the package clash
statement about LaTeX -- as Aditya says, LaTeX is orders of magnitude
better than a word processor, so let's be generous toward an ally in
the cause.
-Sanjoy
ConTeXt is a document-production system based on the TeX typesetting
system. It was designed with the same aims as LaTeX but, being newer,
reflects more recent thinking about document markup and is more
unified in its design. It includes extensive support for colors,
hyperlinks, presentations, figure-text integration, and conditional
compilation. ConTeXt gives extensive formatting control to the end
user and makes it easy to create new layouts and styles without
learning the TeX macro language. ConTeXt's unified design averts the
package clashes that can happen with LaTeX.
ConTeXt also integrates MetaFun, a superset of MetaPost and a powerful
system for vector graphics. MetaFun can be used as a stand-alone
system to produce figures, but its strength lies in enhancing ConTeXt
documents with accurate graphic elements.
ConTeXt allows the users to use formatting commands in English, Dutch,
German, French, or Italian, and to use different typesetting engines
(PDFTeX, XeTeX, Aleph, and soon LuaTeX) without changing the user
interface. ConText is developed rapidly, has a friendly user
community, and illustrates the free-software philosophy of "release
often", sometimes twice a day!
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-23 16:31 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2006-12-23 17:09 ` Idris Samawi Hamid
2006-12-23 23:21 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
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From: Idris Samawi Hamid @ 2006-12-23 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hi Sanjoy and all,
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 09:31:23 -0700, Sanjoy Mahajan <sanjoy@mrao.cam.ac.uk>
wrote:
>> It was designed with the same general-purpose aims as LaTeX,
> system. It was designed with the same aims as LaTeX but,
This point is often mentioned in different ways, but it is quite vague,
and on the surface it is also untrue. LaTeX was designed to save the
writer from typography (Lamport is quite insistent about this), ConTeXt is
designed to make typography easier: quite different general-purpose aims.
LaTeX's emphasis was primarily articles and reports (memoir etc.
notwithstanding), ConTeXt's is more general. Both are designed to make the
TeX language more useful but above that their aims are different it
appears to me.
The different philosophies of the author-typography relationship lie at
the heart of the difference between ConTeXt and LaTeX IMHO. For example,
in ConTeXt indenting is turned off by default and emphasize is set to
slant. That is, ConTeXt starts off as bland as possible and the author has
to make typographical decisions and engage in typographical design. In
LaTeX everything is decided from the start and typographical flexibility
kept to a minimum. Note that Hans for years has resisted passing out
"recipes", preferring authors to engage and be original (much to the
chagrin of many who migrated from LaTeX...;-)
One could write an article on the differences between Hans and Leslie in
this regard.
All the best and Happy Holidays to the ConTeXt community (and LaTeX too)!
Idris
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-23 17:09 ` Idris Samawi Hamid
@ 2006-12-23 23:21 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-24 9:40 ` Hans van der Meer
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From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2006-12-23 23:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Idris (and all),
Thanks, that's a very helpful contrast between LaTeX and ConTeXt. So
how about:
==================================================
ConTeXt is a document-production system based, like LaTeX, on the TeX
typesetting system. Whereas LaTeX insulates the writer from
typographical details, ConTeXt takes a complementary approach by
providing structured interfaces for handling typography, including
extensive support for colors, backgrounds, hyperlinks, presentations,
figure-text integration, and conditional compilation. It gives the
user extensive control over formatting while making it easy to create
new layouts and styles without learning the TeX macro language.
ConTeXt's unified design averts the package clashes that can happen
with LaTeX.
ConTeXt also integrates MetaFun, a superset of MetaPost and a powerful
system for vector graphics. MetaFun can be used as a stand-alone
system to produce figures, but its strength lies in enhancing ConTeXt
documents with accurate graphic elements.
ConTeXt allows the users to use formatting commands in English, Dutch,
German, French, or Italian, and to use different typesetting engines
(PDFTeX, XeTeX, Aleph, and soon LuaTeX) without changing the user
interface. ConText is developed rapidly, has a friendly user
community, and illustrates the free-software philosophy of "release
often", sometimes twice a day!
==================================================
-Sanjoy
`Not all who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-23 23:21 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2006-12-24 9:40 ` Hans van der Meer
2006-12-24 15:11 ` Douglas Philips
` (2 more replies)
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From: Hans van der Meer @ 2006-12-24 9:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
On Dec 24, 2006, at 0:21, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
> ConText is developed rapidly, ... and illustrates the free-
> software philosophy of "release
> often", >>>> sometimes twice a day! <<<< (<< my emphasis here, hvdm)
I wouldn't stress that fact in this manner. And at the least advice
to rephrase this. From the formulation used here, people could get
the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for
that reason refrain from using it. That would be a pity.
Hans van der Meer
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-24 9:40 ` Hans van der Meer
@ 2006-12-24 15:11 ` Douglas Philips
2006-12-24 21:02 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-26 21:59 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Douglas Philips @ 2006-12-24 15:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
On 2006 Dec 24, at 4:40 AM, Hans van der Meer indited:
> On Dec 24, 2006, at 0:21, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
>> ConText is developed rapidly, ... and illustrates the free-
>> software philosophy of "release
>> often", >>>> sometimes twice a day! <<<< (<< my emphasis here, hvdm)
> I wouldn't stress that fact in this manner. And at the least advice
> to rephrase this. From the formulation used here, people could get
> the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for
> that reason refrain from using it. That would be a pity.
That was definitely the impression I had...
I've just recently joined this list as part of a low-key "I wonder if
I'd be happier using ConTeXt rather than fighting LaTeX" evaluation.
That Gerben Wierda's i-Installer automatically processes ConTeXt
updates doesn't hurt either. :-)
Thanks for the clarification!
--D'gou
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-24 9:40 ` Hans van der Meer
2006-12-24 15:11 ` Douglas Philips
@ 2006-12-24 21:02 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
2006-12-26 21:59 ` Hans Hagen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Sanjoy Mahajan @ 2006-12-24 21:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
> From the formulation used here, people could get the impression that
> ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for that reason refrain
> from using it.
Good point. How about simply:
ConText is developed rapidly, often in response to requests from the
friendly user community.
-Sanjoy
`Not all those who wander are lost.' (J.R.R. Tolkien)
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* Re: new debian context 2006.12.21-0.1
2006-12-24 9:40 ` Hans van der Meer
2006-12-24 15:11 ` Douglas Philips
2006-12-24 21:02 ` Sanjoy Mahajan
@ 2006-12-26 21:59 ` Hans Hagen
2 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Hans Hagen @ 2006-12-26 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
Hans van der Meer wrote:
> On Dec 24, 2006, at 0:21, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:
>
>
>> ConText is developed rapidly, ... and illustrates the free-
>> software philosophy of "release
>> often", >>>> sometimes twice a day! <<<< (<< my emphasis here, hvdm)
>>
>
> I wouldn't stress that fact in this manner. And at the least advice
> to rephrase this. From the formulation used here, people could get
> the impression that ConTeXt is an extremely instable product and for
> that reason refrain from using it. That would be a pity.
>
the reason for updating current instead of beta has a few reasons (1) it's easier for me to update servers using ctxtools --update and (2) we near the tex live code freeze, after that we will probably go beta again, which (3) will also update frequently because taco and i are actively working on luatex (mkiv) code which demands mkii/mkiv code splitting
Hans
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