\texteuro does not work

\texteuro does not work

[Bernd Militzer]

Hi all,

\starttext
5,00\,\texteuro
\stoptext

does not work any more. What have I to do?


Bernd


here the message from contextgarden

systems : begin file texweb at line 2
! Font \thedefinedfont=fmvr8x at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
not fou
nd.
<recently read> \scaledfont

\symbolicsizedfont ...ntfontbodyscale \scaledfont
\thedefinedfont
\getglyph #1#2->{\symbolicfont {#1}
\doifnumberelse {#2}\char \donothing #2}
\dodosymbol ...bol \csname \??ss :#1:#2\endcsname
\relax }\relax
\donormalsymbol ... {#1}{#2}{\dodosymbol {#1}{#2}}
\else \edef \currentsymbol...
l.5 5,00\,\texteuro

?
! Emergency stop.
<recently read> \scaledfont

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Bernd Militzer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> \starttext
> 5,00\,\texteuro
> \stoptext
>
> does not work any more. What have I to do?

Short answer: use texnansi encoding.

\setupencoding[default=texnansi]
\usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] 
\setupbodyfont[modern,rm,11pt]

or

\usetypescript[modern][encoding=texnansi]
\setupbodyfont[modern,rm,11pt]


Long answer: see 
http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070212.091610.1b296b19.en.html


A question to Hans: I do not know much about fonts, but from what I 
understand ec is ugly and one should use texnansi. So why does ConTeXt 
default to ec. I am sure that for most users like, fonts in TeX is a 
mystry, and they do not really care which font encoding is used, as 
long as it works. So, can we move to texnansi as the default? Or is 
there something at which ec is really better?

Aditya

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Feb 12, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> A question to Hans: I do not know much about fonts, but from what I
> understand ec is ugly and one should use texnansi. So why does ConTeXt
> default to ec. I am sure that for most users like, fonts in TeX is a
> mystry, and they do not really care which font encoding is used, as
> long as it works. So, can we move to texnansi as the default? Or is
> there something at which ec is really better?
>
> Aditya

Well, it pretty much depends what you want. EC has lots of accented  
letters for many languages, and since it is much more popular in the  
LaTeX world than texnansi, you'll find many more tfm files in your  
TeX installation with ec encoding than with texnansi. In fact, having  
texnansi as default was one of the headaches in my early ConTeXt days  
because ConTeXt would ask for texnansi-lm... files which simply  
weren't there. Many convenient things (like Euro, a couple of  
fractions, degree etc.) are not in ec, but in the LaTeX world, most  
ec-fonts are accompanied by a ts1-encoded counterpart, and switching  
to this for these symbols is automatic; we don't have this in  
ConTeXt, AFAICS. But now, Latin Modern is pretty complete, as are the  
tex gyre fonts, so yes, IMHO, switching to texnansi as default could  
make sense.

\startmode[hansmode]
Ah, wait for luatex where fonts can use the afm and create encodings  
on the fly, so we don't need to worry about this anymore!
\stopmode

;-)

Thomas

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>
> \startmode[hansmode]
> Ah, wait for luatex where fonts can use the afm and create encodings  
> on the fly, so we don't need to worry about this anymore!
> \stopmode
>   
sure, and make virtual fonts on the fly as well -) 

Hans (now in open type mode)

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Re: \texteuro does not work

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> 
>>
>>\startmode[hansmode]
>>Ah, wait for luatex where fonts can use the afm and create encodings  
>>on the fly, so we don't need to worry about this anymore!
>>\stopmode
>>  
> 
> sure, and make virtual fonts on the fly as well -) 

In fact, in luatex almost all fonts will be in 'unicode' encoding,
like they are in xetex already.

Taco

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Bernd Militzer]

Aditya Mahajan schrieb:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Bernd Militzer wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> \starttext
>> 5,00\,\texteuro
>> \stoptext
>>
>> does not work any more. What have I to do?
>>     
>
> Short answer: use texnansi encoding.
>
> \setupencoding[default=texnansi]
> \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] 
> \setupbodyfont[modern,rm,11pt]
>
> or
>
> \usetypescript[modern][encoding=texnansi]
> \setupbodyfont[modern,rm,11pt]
>   
thanks for that hint
Bernd

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 2/12/07, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> A question to Hans: I do not know much about fonts, but from what I
> understand ec is ugly and one should use texnansi.

What exactly do you mean with "ugly"?

> So why does ConTeXt
> default to ec. I am sure that for most users like, fonts in TeX is a
> mystry,

Probably true.

> and they do not really care which font encoding is used, as
> long as it works.

Maybe not for English and German users. But most other (European)
languages need EC to cover all their letters (i.e. to make hyphenation
work at all).

Although not all languages are listed there, take a look into lang-ctx.tex.

> So, can we move to texnansi as the default?

Context used texnansi as the default encoding in past and I would say
the opposite: those who care and really need to use texnansi, probably
know that better than an average user who would need ec to support his
language properly, but doesn't know that. (Although I've been using
"TeX" quite some time now, I never noticed the difference until two
years ago when I was using some strange combinations of letters in
Antykwa Torunska which has different accents on capital letters - and
I started wandering why Č and Š looked so different.)

The problem with euro came with the new TeXLive. But it's not ec's
fault only that it doesn't work.


But as others already said - uc will soon be the default anyway ...

Mojca

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> Maybe not for English and German users. But most other (European)
> languages need EC to cover all their letters (i.e. to make hyphenation
> work at all).
>
> Although not all languages are listed there, take a look into lang- 
> ctx.tex.
>

I haven't really looked into this, but I think you're slightly  
exaggerating: Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch should be  
OK with texnansi, too.

Cheers

Thomas

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Hans Hagen]

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Feb 13, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>   
>> Maybe not for English and German users. But most other (European)
>> languages need EC to cover all their letters (i.e. to make hyphenation
>> work at all).
>>
>> Although not all languages are listed there, take a look into lang- 
>> ctx.tex.
>>
>>     
>
> I haven't really looked into this, but I think you're slightly  
> exaggerating: Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch should be  
> OK with texnansi, too.
>   
most patterns in their original form assume ec; however, context uses utf encoded patterns, and can load them then for as many encodings as you like; some languages have ec and texnansi patterns (has to do with the fact that patterns and fonts are related) 

Hans 

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Re: \texteuro does not work

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> On 2/12/07, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>
>> A question to Hans: I do not know much about fonts, but from what I
>> understand ec is ugly and one should use texnansi.
>
> What exactly do you mean with "ugly"?

Did I say that I do not know about fonts :) I was just reflecting on 
what I have seen on the mailing list. Most problems in fonts with 
missing characters etc is due to ec encoding (I remember something in 
the past about \textmu not being present in ec). By ugly I meant that 
ConTeXt has to work harder behind the scenes to make sure that ec 
works.

In any case, with luatex, TeX's font scene will be totally different 
(I know, I know, I should atleast try XeTeX)

Aditya

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
>
>   
>> On 2/12/07, Aditya Mahajan wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> A question to Hans: I do not know much about fonts, but from what I
>>> understand ec is ugly and one should use texnansi.
>>>       
>> What exactly do you mean with "ugly"?
>>     
>
> Did I say that I do not know about fonts :) I was just reflecting on 
> what I have seen on the mailing list. Most problems in fonts with 
> missing characters etc is due to ec encoding (I remember something in 
> the past about \textmu not being present in ec). By ugly I meant that 
> ConTeXt has to work harder behind the scenes to make sure that ec 
> works.
>   
oh, i thought that you meant the euro, which indeed is a pretty ugly 
symbol not meant to blend with a properly designed font
> In any case, with luatex, TeX's font scene will be totally different 
> (I know, I know, I should atleast try XeTeX)
>   

Hans

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Re: \texteuro does not work

[Peter Münster]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> > \starttext
> > 5,00\,\texteuro
> > \stoptext
> >
> > does not work any more. What have I to do?
> 
> Short answer: use texnansi encoding.
> 
> \usetypescript[modern][encoding=texnansi]
> \setupbodyfont[modern,rm,11pt]

Hello,

here is another possibility:

\usesymbols[eur]
\definecharacter texteuro {{\ss\symbol[euro]}}
\starttext
\startlines
5,00\,\texteuro
\bf 5,00\,\texteuro
\it 5,00\,\texteuro
\stoplines
\stoptext

Of course, you must install
ftp://ftp.adobe.com/pub/adobe/type/win/all/eurofont.exe for this to work.

Cheers, Peter

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Re: \texteuro does not work

[Wolfgang Schuster]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:27:43 +0100
Bernd Militzer <bernd@militzer.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> \starttext
> 5,00\,\texteuro
> \stoptext
> 
> does not work any more. What have I to do?
> 
> 
> Bernd
> 
> 
> here the message from contextgarden
> 
> systems : begin file texweb at line 2
> ! Font \thedefinedfont=fmvr8x at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
> not fou
> nd.
> <recently read> \scaledfont
> 
> \symbolicsizedfont ...ntfontbodyscale \scaledfont
> \thedefinedfont
> \getglyph #1#2->{\symbolicfont {#1}
> \doifnumberelse {#2}\char \donothing #2}
> \dodosymbol ...bol \csname \??ss :#1:#2\endcsname
> \relax }\relax
> \donormalsymbol ... {#1}{#2}{\dodosymbol {#1}{#2}}
> \else \edef \currentsymbol...
> l.5 5,00\,\texteuro
> 
> ?
> ! Emergency stop.
> <recently read> \scaledfont
> 

Hi Bernd,

I tried this on my system and it work with \texteuro and \euro. Dont't
I my sytem or contextgarden is wrong, because ConTeXt use on my machine
the euro sign from the marvosym fonts and not from fmvr8x.

What is the result from your own system, did id work or fail. Do you
have a message like
<c:\context\usr\local\context\tex
\texmf/fonts/type1/public/marvosym/marvosym.
pfb>{c:\context\usr\local\context\tex\texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/lm/lm-ec.enc}<c:\co
ntext\usr\local\context\tex\texmf/fonts/type1/public/lm/lmr12.pfb>
at the end of your log file or get you the same output as the one above
frome the garden.

Wolfgang

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Bernd Militzer]

Wolfgang Schuster schrieb:
> Hi Bernd,
>
> I tried this on my system and it work with \texteuro and \euro. Dont't
> I my sytem or contextgarden is wrong, because ConTeXt use on my machine
> the euro sign from the marvosym fonts and not from fmvr8x.
>
> What is the result from your own system, did id work or fail. Do you
> have a message like
> <c:\context\usr\local\context\tex
> \texmf/fonts/type1/public/marvosym/marvosym.
> pfb>{c:\context\usr\local\context\tex\texmf/fonts/enc/dvips/lm/lm-ec.enc}<c:\co
> ntext\usr\local\context\tex\texmf/fonts/type1/public/lm/lmr12.pfb>
> at the end of your log file or get you the same output as the one above
> frome the garden.
>   
I get:
Transcript written on mfput.log.
grep: fmvr8x.log: No such file or directory
mktextfm: `mf-nowin -progname=mf \mode:=ljfour; mag:=1; nonstopmode; 
input fmvr8x' failed to make fmvr8x.tfm.
kpathsea: Appending font creation commands to missfont.log.
! Font \thedefinedfont=fmvr8x at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file 
not found.
but with:
\setupencoding[default=texnansi]
\usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[modern,rm,12pt]
all problems are gone

Bernd

Re: \texteuro does not work

[Taco Hoekwater]

Bernd Militzer wrote:
> Wolfgang Schuster schrieb:
> 
>>Hi Bernd,
>>
>>I tried this on my system and it work with \texteuro and \euro. Dont't
>>I my sytem or contextgarden is wrong, because ConTeXt use on my machine
>>the euro sign from the marvosym fonts and not from fmvr8x.

Marvosym's tfm file is called fmvr8x.tfm. Or rather, it used to be
called that. In the new version, it is renamed to umvs.tfm.

Best, Taco