From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/34383 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: ConTeXt versioning model critique Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:26 +0200 Message-ID: <46292936.9060909@wxs.nl> References: <823522955.20070414142904@gmail.com> <4628B2A0.1040902@gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1177102693 7160 80.91.229.12 (20 Apr 2007 20:58:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:58:13 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Fri Apr 20 22:58:06 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Hf0BB-0002V9-MX for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:58:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0849C2028B; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:53 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10857-05-5; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24DBD20274; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6333E20274 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 10857-05-4 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:31 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E8F20263 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.101] (unverified [10.100.1.101]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.7b8) with ESMTP id 19427 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:57:10 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) In-Reply-To: <4628B2A0.1040902@gmail.com> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-274017400 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:34383 Archived-At: fdu.xiaojf@gmail.com wrote: > Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote: > >> Dear Patrtic, >> >> >> >>> ... ConTeXt would probably stabilize, which IMHO is not a good thing. >>> One thing I really love ConTeXt for is the speed new techniques are >>> adopted (pdf features, luatex,...) One day we might have a ConTeXt >>> MKII book for those who are afraid of swithing to pdftex2. >>> >>> >> ConTeXt should be eventually stabilized so that someone can make some use of it. But, there is a way for rapid adopting of new techniques too. >> >> My experience of using open-source products (I'm best familiar with Moodle) suggest that there should be overlapping cycles in development: >> 1. Allocate new version number and start implementing new features. Many things are broken at the moment and the version becomes unusable for production purposes. >> in addition to taco's answer: i seldom do big chances in the distributed version; actually, i always use the alpha/beta/whatever in production here; >> 2. Stabilize this version and make definite release (number x.x.). Now it can be used for production. >> 3. Continue resolve bugs in this version AND perform Step 1 IN PARALLEL. >> you can consider the tex live versions the formal stable versions -) fyi: the real experimental stuff is in mkiv code and only a few have this on their machines; it's not in alpha/beta releases at all keep in mind that a more complex versioning model will put my/taco's time for 'paid' work even more under pressure >> Moodle follows this model and I always wandered how smooth it was to migrate between releases. Everything is completely predictable. >> Please, look at http://download.moodle.org/ to get the idea of their versioning. >> >> I think ConTeXt needs similar versioning model badly. Now it has rather naive model (release dates) that doesn't help in deciding about stability at all. >> >> >> > I strongly agree that ConTeXt needs an improved versioning model. > in principle you can take any version you want from the svn repos (nicely packages in zips btw) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------