* Wrong SRA3 papersize ? @ 2007-05-03 10:01 luigi scarso 2007-05-03 11:38 ` Peter Rolf 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-05-03 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users In page-lay.tex \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=320mm,\c!height=450mm] maybe is wrong. It should be \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=450mm,\c!height=320mm] See http://www.theearthpaper.net/paper-sizes.html but need a confirm -- luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-03 10:01 Wrong SRA3 papersize ? luigi scarso @ 2007-05-03 11:38 ` Peter Rolf 2007-05-03 12:17 ` luigi scarso 2007-05-03 12:29 ` Tobias Burnus 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Peter Rolf @ 2007-05-03 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users luigi scarso wrote: > In page-lay.tex > \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=320mm,\c!height=450mm] > maybe is wrong. > It should be > \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=450mm,\c!height=320mm] > > See http://www.theearthpaper.net/paper-sizes.html > but need a confirm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_217 says the opposite. Best, Peter ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-03 11:38 ` Peter Rolf @ 2007-05-03 12:17 ` luigi scarso 2007-05-03 12:29 ` Tobias Burnus 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-05-03 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_217 > > says the opposite. Yes, but searching for 'SRA3 "450x320" ' give some hits, and I have two differents blocks of 500 sheets labelled SRA3 450x320 Why this confusion ? -- luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-03 11:38 ` Peter Rolf 2007-05-03 12:17 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-05-03 12:29 ` Tobias Burnus 2007-05-03 19:19 ` Willi Egger 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Tobias Burnus @ 2007-05-03 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Peter Rolf schrieb: > luigi scarso wrote: > >> In page-lay.tex >> \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=320mm,\c!height=450mm] >> maybe is wrong. >> It should be >> \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=450mm,\c!height=320mm] >> I have found both versions on the net, but as RA* and SRA* are only scaled versions of the A* papers (5% and 15% larger), I think the definition should match the one of A*. As A3 is portrait, \definepapersize [A3] [\c!width=297mm,\c!height=420mm] I would also expect RA and SRA to be portrait as well and not landscape, ConTeXt has \definepapersize [RA3] [\c!width=305mm,\c!height=430mm] \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=320mm,\c!height=450mm] >From that point of view, the definition is correct. Tobias ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-03 12:29 ` Tobias Burnus @ 2007-05-03 19:19 ` Willi Egger 2007-05-04 9:59 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2007-06-30 9:51 ` luigi scarso 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Willi Egger @ 2007-05-03 19:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Hi, this is an interesting discussion. I admit, that I do not have the ultimate knowledge. Nevertheless I doubt whether the A3 format has to be considered portrait. Consider A4 which is portrait because of the grain direction (Laufrichtung) in the height. Otherwise A3 is two A4 and hence the grain direction is in the shorthand. - Generally speaking the graindirection is in the direction of the longer edge in all A- foomats with even numbers, including A0. - Looking in this way at RA3 and SRA3 I would expect that the graindirection is also on the short side. Therefore The definition shoud be width=305 and height=430 mm and width=320 and height=450mm respectively. So Luigi you learned determination of the grain direction in Epen, please look this up in your two blocks! Kind regards Willi, the bookbinder ;-) On May 3, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Tobias Burnus wrote: > Peter Rolf schrieb: >> luigi scarso wrote: >> >>> In page-lay.tex >>> \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=320mm,\c!height=450mm] >>> maybe is wrong. >>> It should be >>> \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=450mm,\c!height=320mm] >>> > I have found both versions on the net, but as RA* and SRA* are only > scaled versions of the A* papers (5% and 15% larger), I think the > definition should match the one of A*. > > As A3 is portrait, > \definepapersize [A3] [\c!width=297mm,\c!height=420mm] > I would also expect RA and SRA to be portrait as well and not > landscape, > ConTeXt has > \definepapersize [RA3] [\c!width=305mm,\c!height=430mm] > \definepapersize [SRA3] [\c!width=320mm,\c!height=450mm] > >> From that point of view, the definition is correct. > > Tobias > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ > ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ Willi Egger w.egger@boede.nl ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-03 19:19 ` Willi Egger @ 2007-05-04 9:59 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2007-05-04 12:51 ` luigi scarso 2007-05-04 14:25 ` Patrick Gundlach 2007-06-30 9:51 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2007-05-04 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2007-05-03 um 21:19 schrieb Willi Egger: > Consider A4 which is portrait because of the grain direction > (Laufrichtung) in the height. Otherwise A3 is two A4 and hence the > grain direction is in the shorthand. - Generally speaking the > graindirection is in the direction of the longer edge in all A- > foomats with even numbers, including A0. - Looking in this way at RA3 > and SRA3 I would expect that the graindirection is also on the short > side. Therefore The definition shoud be width=305 and height=430 mm > and width=320 and height=450mm respectively. > > So Luigi you learned determination of the grain direction in Epen, > please look this up in your two blocks! > > Kind regards Willi, the bookbinder ;-) As a bookbinder you should know that you can get paper in both grain directions (even if one's much more usual). ISO definitions of paper sizes are always portrait. see also http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PaperSizes I never heard of RA/SRA sizes before (doubt that they're standardized), but feel free to add them as soon as the wiki has moved. Greetlings: Hraban, the printing engineer --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-04 9:59 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2007-05-04 12:51 ` luigi scarso 2007-05-04 14:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2007-05-04 14:25 ` Patrick Gundlach 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-05-04 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users > see also http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PaperSizes wow! > I never heard of RA/SRA sizes before (doubt that they're > standardized), hmm, see http://www.edsebooks.com/paper/naukeupaper.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_217 -- luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-04 12:51 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-05-04 14:07 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2007-05-04 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Am 2007-05-04 um 14:51 schrieb luigi scarso: >> see also http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PaperSizes > wow! >> I never heard of RA/SRA sizes before (doubt that they're >> standardized), > hmm, see > http://www.edsebooks.com/paper/naukeupaper.html > and > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_217 Thank you! Looks like I've a lot to add to my collection... (The paper sizes page was a start to collect traditional printing knowledge someplace where interested typographers would find it...) Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer) ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-04 9:59 ` Henning Hraban Ramm 2007-05-04 12:51 ` luigi scarso @ 2007-05-04 14:25 ` Patrick Gundlach 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Patrick Gundlach @ 2007-05-04 14:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: ntg-context [...] > see also http://wiki.contextgarden.net/PaperSizes > I never heard of RA/SRA sizes before (doubt that they're > standardized), but feel free to add them as soon as the wiki has moved. It has moved - now I am waiting for the dns servers to update the new IP. Patrick ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: Wrong SRA3 papersize ? 2007-05-03 19:19 ` Willi Egger 2007-05-04 9:59 ` Henning Hraban Ramm @ 2007-06-30 9:51 ` luigi scarso 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: luigi scarso @ 2007-06-30 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users On 5/3/07, Willi Egger <w.egger@boede.nl> wrote: > Hi, > > this is an interesting discussion. I admit, that I do not have the > ultimate knowledge. Nevertheless I doubt whether the A3 format has to > be considered portrait. http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Image:SRA3.jpg -- luigi ---------------------------------------------------------------- If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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