mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project

- The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
- \startitemize[packed,joinedup] inserts whitespace between the list and the paragraph before it where mkii doesn’t

How can I fix this?

G
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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
> 
> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
> 
> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
> - \startitemize[packed,joinedup] inserts whitespace between the list and the paragraph before it where mkii doesn’t
> 
> How can I fix this?

Do you have a example because I can’t reproduce it.

\showgrid

\starttext

\chapter{\contextmark}

\input knuth

\startitemize[packed,joinedup]
\item One
\item Two
\item Three
\stopitemize

\stoptext 

Wolfgang
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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

I’m struggling to make a minimal example.It happens in my project, so it is a result of my …/products/prd_book.tex and ../environment/env_cataoia.tex and the test file. I need to give three files, two of which differ between mkii and mkiv because of different font commands and lettrine vs initial

prd_book.tex ===================================
\startproduct prd_book
\project project_cataoia

\starttext
\start
\startstandardmakeup[doublesided=no]
\ss
\hairline \start
\blank[line]
\switchtobodyfont[16pt]\bf
\leftaligned{Chess}%
\blank[line]
\leftaligned{and the Art of}%
\blank[line]
\leftaligned{Enterprise Architecture}%
\stop
\hairline \blank[line]
\leftaligned{Making the right moves to manage Business--IT complexity}%
\hairline \blank[line]\rightaligned{Gerben Wierda}%
\blank[6cm]\start\leftskip=10cm\hairline\stop
\rightaligned{2015}%
\stopstandardmakeup
\startstandardmakeup[doublesided=no,page=no]
~\blank[2in]
\start
\switchtobodyfont[9pt]
Copyright \copyright\ 2015 by Gerben Wierda, The Netherlands\crlf
Image used on cover (and on the inside) \copyright\ iStock.com/Antonio
\blank[4mm]
Published by R\&A, The Netherlands
\blank[4mm]
Typeset with \TeX, using the mkii version of the \SSCONTEXT\ macro package.
\blank[4mm]
Neither the author, nor the publisher, nor the printer, nor the distributor,
nor the seller accept any responsibility or liability for loss or damage
occasioned to any person or property through using the material, instructions,
methods or ideas contained in or distributed with this book, or acting or
refraining from acting as a result of such use. The author, publisher,
printer, distributor, and seller expressly disclaim all implied warranties,
including merchantability of fitness for any particular purpose.
\blank[4mm]
ISBN 978-90-819840-5-8
\blank[4mm]
Contact info: {\sl info@enterprisechess.com}\crlf Web site: {\sl
http://enterprisechess.com}\crlf Suggested hashtag: {\sl \#eachess}
\stop
\stopstandardmakeup
\startstandardmakeup[doublesided=no]
\start
\switchtobodyfont[16pt]
\midaligned{The world is not {\blackboard Q}, it is {\blackboard R}}
\blank[6cm]
\stop
\stopstandardmakeup
\stop
\startfrontmatter
\startbuffer [chapter:quote]
%When teaching a rapidly changing technology, perspective is more important
%than content\crlf
%{\tf Richard~Pattis}
The most erroneous stories are those we think we know best --- and therefore
never scrutinize or question.\crlf
{\tf Stephen Jay Gould}
\stopbuffer
	\noheaderandfooterlines
\start
	\title[h:toc]{Contents}
	\setuppagenumber[number=3]
	\placelist[chapter,chaptertext]
\stop
	\component c_loosely
\stopfrontmatter
\startbodymatter
	\component c_inconvenient
	\component c_goals
	\component c_orthodoxy
	\component c_intermezzo
	\component c_chess
	\component c_model
	\component c_future
	\component c_hurdles
\stopbodymatter
\startappendices
%	\component c_logic
	\component c_cloud
	\component c_current
	\component c_fsatemplate
	\component c_psatemplate
	\component c_bibliography
	\component c_endnotes
	\component c_index
\stopappendices
\stoptext

\stopcomponent
=============================================

env_cataoia.tex mkii =============================
\startenvironment env_cataoia
\project project_cataoia
%
\definedescription [description]
	[location=serried, width=broad, hang=fit, margin=standard,
	headstyle=bold]
\definestartstop [descriptions] [before=\startpacked,
					after=\stoppacked]
%
\def\SSCONTEXT {Con\kern-.15em\TeX t}
%
%
\definepapersize[smallpaperback][width=5in,height=8in]
\setuppapersize[smallpaperback][smallpaperback]
\setuplayout[location=doublesided]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no]
\setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=no]
\setupsectionblock[appendix][page=no]
\setupsectionblock[backpart][page=no]

% Every chapter body text starts with lettrine:
\usemodule[lettrine]
\setuplettrine[Lines=3,
               Hang=.5,
               Oversize=0,
               Raise=0,
               Findent=0pt,
               Nindent=0em,
               Slope=0em,
               Ante=,
               FontHook=,
               TextFont=\sc,
               Image=no]

% Every chapter starts with a quote on the LHS page:
\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [page=,
   before={\setups[chapter:before]},
   after={\setups[chapter:after]}]

\startsetups chapter:before
    \page[left]
    \noheaderandfooterlines
    \startalignment[left,nothyphenated]
        \startnarrower[4*left]
	    \em \getbuffer[chapter:quote]
        \stopnarrower
    \stopalignment
    \resetsetups[quote:text]
    \page[right]
    \noheaderandfooterlines
    \blank[force,2*big]
\stopsetups

\startsetups chapter:after
    \blank[3*big]
\stopsetups

% Mark TODO items in the text
\def\todo#1{{\red --- --- --- TODO: {#1} --- --- ---}}

%
\setuptolerance[horizontal=strict]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupcolor[rgb]
%
\setupquote[style=small]

%
\usetypescript[serif,sans,mono] [hanging] [normal]

% Bypassing type-gtamacfonts.tex
\starttypescript [sans,serif] [optima] [texnansi,ec]
\definefontsynonym [Optima-Regular] [\typescriptthree-OptimaRegular]
[encoding=\typescriptthree]
\definefontsynonym [Optima-Italic] [\typescriptthree-OptimaItalic]
[encoding=\typescriptthree]
\definefontsynonym [Optima-Bold] [\typescriptthree-OptimaBold]
[encoding=\typescriptthree]
\definefontsynonym [Optima-BoldItalic] [\typescriptthree-OptimaBoldItalic]
[encoding=\typescriptthree]
\definefontsynonym [Optima-ExtraBlack] [\typescriptthree-OptimaExtraBlack]
[encoding=\typescriptthree]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [sans,serif] [optima] [name]
\setups            [font:fallback:\typescriptone]
\definefontsynonym [\typescriptprefix\typescriptone] [Optima-Regular]
\definefontsynonym [\typescriptprefix\typescriptone Italic] [Optima-Italic]
\definefontsynonym [\typescriptprefix\typescriptone Bold]       [Optima-Bold]
\definefontsynonym [\typescriptprefix\typescriptone BoldItalic]
[Optima-BoldItalic]
\definefontsynonym [\typescriptprefix\typescriptone Black] [Optima-ExtraBlack]
\stoptypescript
\definetypeface[allsans][rm][serif][optima][default][encoding=texnansi]
\definetypeface[allsans][ss][sans][optima][default][encoding=texnansi]
%\definetypeface[allsans][rm][serif][optima][default][encoding=ec]
%\definetypeface[allsans][ss][sans][optima][default][encoding=ec]
\loadmapfile [gtamacfonts.map]
\setupbodyfont[allsans,10pt]

\setupalign[hanging]
\setupfootnotes[conversion=set 2,way=bypage,align=flushleft]

%

%\def\doalignline#1#2% \\ == newline
% {\ifhmode\hfil\break\fi
%  \begingroup
%  \setlocalhsize % new
%  \def\\{\egroup\par\doalignline{#1}{#2}\bgroup}%
%  \dowithnextbox
%    {\noindent
%     \hbox to \localhsize
%       {\ifcase\alignstrutmode\or\strut\fi
%         #1\unhbox\nextbox#2}\endgroup}
%    \hbox}

\def\startBookQuote
 {\par\bgroup
  \setupnarrower[before=]\startnarrower\indenting[never]\tfx}
\def\stopBookQuote{\stopnarrower\egroup}
%
\startmode[standalone]
  \setupfootertexts[pagenumber][{\jobname->\filename{\currentcomponent}}]
  \def\maybeendnotes
     {\subsubject{Notes} \placenotes[endnote] \subsubject{Bibliography}
	\switchtobodyfont[9pt]
	\placepublications[criterium=all]}
  \appendtoks \maybeendnotes \to \everystoptext
\stopmode
%
\setupcaption[figure][style=small]
\setupinteraction[state=start]

\definemeasure[CAindent][12pt]
\setupindenting[yes,\measure{CAindent}]
\setupnarrower
  [ left=\measure{CAindent},
    right=\measure{CAindent},
   middle=\measure{CAindent}]
\setupitemize[each][margin=\measure{CAindent},width=\measure{CAindent}]

\defineenumeration[Step][headstyle=slanted,
	location=hanging,width=fit,stopper=:,margin=\measure{CAindent},]
\defineenumeration[Phase][headstyle=slanted,
	location=hanging,width=fit,stopper=:,margin=\measure{CAindent},]
\definedescription[Member][headstyle=bold,
	location=hanging,indenting={yes},margin=\measure{CAindent},width=fit]

\setupnotedefinition[footnote][indenting={yes,medium}]
\setupnotedefinition[endnote][indenting={yes,medium},style={\switchtobodyfont[10pt]}]

\setupbibtex[database=gwierda,sort=author]
\setuppublications[numbering=short,sorttype=bbl,refcommand=short,autohang=yes]
\setupcite[short]

\useURL[masteringarchimateblog][http://masteringarchimate.com]
\useURL[masteringarchimatebook][http://masteringarchimate.com/mastering-archimate-edition-ii/]

\setupinteraction
 [style=,
  color=,
  contrastcolor=]

%\setupbackend[export=yes,xhtml=yes]

\definelist[chaptertext]
\setuplist[chaptertext][margin=1.3em,pagecommand=\gobbleoneargument]
\define[1]\ChapterAbstract{\writetolist[chaptertext]{}{\start\itx#1\stop}}

\stopenvironment
=============================================

test.tex mkii ====================================
\showgrid
\startcomponent c_loosely
\product prd_book
\project project_cataoia

\starttext
\startbuffer [chapter:quote]
In software, the chain isn't as strong as its weakest link; it's as weak as
all the weak links multiplied together\crlf
{\tf Steve McConnell --- Code Complete}\crlf\crlf
Nothing is as dangerous in architecture as dealing with separated problems\crlf
{\tf Alvar Aalto}
\stopbuffer

\chapter[h:loosely]{Prologue:\\Loosely Coupled Spaghetti}
\ChapterAbstract{Starting with an example of how things can go wrong in a
current Business-IT landscape, we notice that these kinds of problems have
existed almost for as long as IT has existed, and that no proposed `silver
bullet' has ever solved them. The goal of the book is introduced.}

\lettrine{S}{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system for the approval of loans. The
business logic has been put into a Business Rule Engine (BRE)
system\footnote{If you are not technical and terms like `application server',
`caught exceptions', or `web proxy' in the fragment that follows, do not
immediately get you started, do not worry: there is no need to know what I am
talking about here in a technical sense. You can read this without
understanding any of the technical references. Just skip over them, their
specifics are not important to the story. They are real enough, though.  You
can trust me on that, or ask your engineers.}. Our system has business rules
and for a certain class of prospective customers, an extra check is needed
(thus say the business rules).  This check involves sending a message to a
credit rating institute and waiting for the result. Our system will in those
cases use our Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) to send a message to a server
(which runs a service for this function, hence Service Oriented Architecture
or SOA) which then handles the interaction with the credit rating institute
via a dedicated secure link.  Since we only do this check in a small
percentage of cases, the server handling the requests and replies to the
credit institute is limited in size and our secure link is narrow as well.

\stoptext
\stopcomponent
=============================================

env_cataoia.tex mkiv =============================
\startenvironment env_cataoia
\project project_cataoia
%
\definedescription [description]
	[location=serried, width=broad, hang=fit, margin=standard,
	headstyle=bold]
\definestartstop [descriptions] [before=\startpacked,
					after=\stoppacked]
%
\def\SSCONTEXT {Con\kern-.15em\TeX t}
%
%
\definepapersize[smallpaperback][width=5in,height=8in]
\setuppapersize[smallpaperback][smallpaperback]
\setuplayout[location=doublesided]
\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]
\setupsectionblock[frontpart][page=no]
\setupsectionblock[bodypart][page=no]
\setupsectionblock[appendix][page=no]
\setupsectionblock[backpart][page=no]

% Every chapter body text starts with lettrine:
\usemodule[oldbibtex]
\setupinitial[font=Normal cp
\measure{initial:n},hoffset=3ex,voffset=2.1\lineheight,n=3,m=1,distance=-3ex]
%\usemodule[lettrine]
%\setuplettrine[Lines=3,
%               Hang=.5,
%               Oversize=0,
%               Raise=0,
%               Findent=0pt,
%               Nindent=0em,
%               Slope=0em,
%               Ante=,
%               FontHook=,
%               TextFont=\sc,
%               Image=no]

% Every chapter starts with a quote on the LHS page:
\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [page=,
   before={\setups[chapter:before]},
   after={\setups[chapter:after]}]

\startsetups chapter:before
    \page[left]
    \noheaderandfooterlines
    \startalignment[left,nothyphenated]
        \startnarrower[4*left]
	    \em \getbuffer[chapter:quote]
        \stopnarrower
    \stopalignment
    \resetsetups[quote:text]
    \page[right]
    \noheaderandfooterlines
    \blank[force,2*big]
\stopsetups

\startsetups chapter:after
    \blank[3*big]
\stopsetups

% Mark TODO items in the text
\def\todo#1{{\red --- --- --- TODO: {#1} --- --- ---}}

%
\setuptolerance[horizontal=strict]
\setupcolors[state=start]
\setupcolor[rgb]
%
\setupquote[style=small]

\starttypescript [sans] [optima]
	\setups[font:fallback:sans]
	\definefontsynonym [Sans]           [file:optima.ttc(Optima Regular)]
	\definefontsynonym [SansItalic]     [file:optima.ttc(Optima Italic)]
	\definefontsynonym [SansBold]       [file:optima.ttc(Optima Bold)]
	\definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:optima.ttc(Optima Bold
Italic)]
\stoptypescript

\definetypeface [optima] [ss] [sans] [optima] [default] [features=default]
\definetypeface [optima] [mm] [math] [modern] [default]

\setupbodyfont[optima,10pt]

\setupalign[hanging]

%

%\def\doalignline#1#2% \\ == newline
% {\ifhmode\hfil\break\fi
%  \begingroup
%  \setlocalhsize % new
%  \def\\{\egroup\par\doalignline{#1}{#2}\bgroup}%
%  \dowithnextbox
%    {\noindent
%     \hbox to \localhsize
%       {\ifcase\alignstrutmode\or\strut\fi
%         #1\unhbox\nextbox#2}\endgroup}
%    \hbox}

\def\startBookQuote
 {\par\bgroup
  \setupnarrower[before=]\startnarrower\indenting[never]\tfx}
\def\stopBookQuote{\stopnarrower\egroup}
%
\startmode[standalone]
  \setupfootertexts[pagenumber][{\jobname->\filename{\currentcomponent}}]
  \def\maybeendnotes
     {\subsubject{Notes} \placenotes[endnote] \subsubject{Bibliography}
	\switchtobodyfont[9pt]
	\placepublications[criterium=all]}
  \appendtoks \maybeendnotes \to \everystoptext
\stopmode
%
\setupcaption[figure][style=small]
\setupinteraction[state=start]

\definemeasure[CAindent][12pt]
\setupindenting[yes,\measure{CAindent}]
\setupnarrower
  [ left=\measure{CAindent},
    right=\measure{CAindent},
   middle=\measure{CAindent}]
\setupitemize[each][margin=\measure{CAindent},width=\measure{CAindent}]

\defineenumeration[Step][headstyle=slanted,
	location=hanging,width=fit,stopper=:,margin=\measure{CAindent},]
\defineenumeration[Phase][headstyle=slanted,
	location=hanging,width=fit,stopper=:,margin=\measure{CAindent},]
\definedescription[Member][headstyle=bold,
	location=hanging,indenting={yes},margin=\measure{CAindent},width=fit]

\setupnotation[footnote][numberconversion=set 2,way=bypage,align=flushleft,indenting={yes,medium}]
\setupnotation[endnote][numberconversion=numbers,indenting={yes,medium},style={\switchtobodyfont[10pt]}]

\setupbibtex[database=gwierda,sort=author]
\setuppublications[numbering=short,sorttype=bbl,refcommand=short,autohang=yes]
\setupcite[short]

\useURL[masteringarchimateblog][http://masteringarchimate.com]
\useURL[masteringarchimatebook][http://masteringarchimate.com/mastering-archimate-edition-ii/]

\setupinteraction
 [style=,
  color=,
  contrastcolor=]

%\setupbackend[export=yes,xhtml=yes]

\definelist[chaptertext]
\setuplist[chaptertext][margin=1.3em,pagecommand=\gobbleoneargument]
\define[1]\ChapterAbstract{\writetolist[chaptertext]{}{\start\itx#1\stop}}

\stopenvironment
=============================================

test.tex mkiv ===================================
\showgrid
\startcomponent c_loosely
\product prd_book
\project project_cataoia

\starttext
\starttext
\startbuffer [chapter:quote]
In software, the chain isn't as strong as its weakest link; it's as weak as
all the weak links multiplied together\crlf
{\tf Steve McConnell --- Code Complete}\crlf\crlf
Nothing is as dangerous in architecture as dealing with separated problems\crlf
{\tf Alvar Aalto}
\stopbuffer

\chapter[h:loosely]{Prologue:\\Loosely Coupled Spaghetti}
\ChapterAbstract{Starting with an example of how things can go wrong in a
current Business-IT landscape, we notice that these kinds of problems have
existed almost for as long as IT has existed, and that no proposed `silver
bullet' has ever solved them. The goal of the book is introduced.}

\placeinitial S{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system for the approval of loans. The
business logic has been put into a Business Rule Engine (BRE)
system\footnote{If you are not technical and terms like `application server',
`caught exceptions', or `web proxy' in the fragment that follows, do not
immediately get you started, do not worry: there is no need to know what I am
talking about here in a technical sense. You can read this without
understanding any of the technical references. Just skip over them, their
specifics are not important to the story. They are real enough, though.  You
can trust me on that, or ask your engineers.}. Our system has business rules
and for a certain class of prospective customers, an extra check is needed
(thus say the business rules).  This check involves sending a message to a
credit rating institute and waiting for the result. Our system will in those
cases use our Enterprise Service Bus (ESB) to send a message to a server
(which runs a service for this function, hence Service Oriented Architecture
or SOA) which then handles the interaction with the credit rating institute
via a dedicated secure link.  Since we only do this check in a small
percentage of cases, the server handling the requests and replies to the
credit institute is limited in size and our secure link is narrow as well.

\stoptext
\stopcomponent
=============================================


G

On 14 Mar 2015, at 17:14, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>> 
>> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
>> 
>> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
>> - \startitemize[packed,joinedup] inserts whitespace between the list and the paragraph before it where mkii doesn’t
>> 
>> How can I fix this?
> 
> Do you have a example because I can’t reproduce it.
> 
> \showgrid
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \chapter{\contextmark}
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \startitemize[packed,joinedup]
> \item One
> \item Two
> \item Three
> \stopitemize
> 
> \stoptext 
> 
> Wolfgang
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
> 
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
> archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
> wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
> ___________________________________________________________________________________

___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

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On 14 Mar 2015, at 17:14, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>> 
>> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
>> 
>> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
>> - \startitemize[packed,joinedup] inserts whitespace between the list and the paragraph before it where mkii doesn’t
>> 
>> How can I fix this?
> 
> Do you have a example because I can’t reproduce it.
> 
> \showgrid
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \chapter{\contextmark}
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \startitemize[packed,joinedup]
> \item One
> \item Two
> \item Three
> \stopitemize
> 
> \stoptext 
> 
> Wolfgang
> ___________________________________________________________________________________
> If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
> 
> maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
> webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
> archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
> wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
> ___________________________________________________________________________________


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___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

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mkiv result



On 14 Mar 2015, at 17:14, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>> 
>> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
>> 
>> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
>> - \startitemize[packed,joinedup] inserts whitespace between the list and the paragraph before it where mkii doesn’t
>> 
>> How can I fix this?
> 
> Do you have a example because I can’t reproduce it.
> 
> \showgrid
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \chapter{\contextmark}
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \startitemize[packed,joinedup]
> \item One
> \item Two
> \item Three
> \stopitemize
> 
> \stoptext 
> 
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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

The itemize white space issue was a difference in handling \reference. In mkii a \reference between \startitemize and the first item did not produce empty space, in mkiv it does. I moved the \reference to inside the \item

G

On 14 Mar 2015, at 17:14, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>> 
>> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
>> 
>> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
>> - \startitemize[packed,joinedup] inserts whitespace between the list and the paragraph before it where mkii doesn’t
>> 
>> How can I fix this?
> 
> Do you have a example because I can’t reproduce it.
> 
> \showgrid
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \chapter{\contextmark}
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \startitemize[packed,joinedup]
> \item One
> \item Two
> \item Three
> \stopitemize
> 
> \stoptext 
> 
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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 15.03.2015 um 15:57 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
> 
> The itemize white space issue was a difference in handling \reference. In mkii a \reference between \startitemize and the first item did not produce empty space, in mkiv it does. I moved the \reference to inside the \item

For numbered items you can use the optional argument of \item to set a reference.

\starttext

\startitemize[n]
\item[item:one] First item
\item[item:two] Second item
\stopitemize

\page

Take a look at \in{item}[item:two] on \at{page}[item:two].

\stoptext

Wolfgang
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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
> 
> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
> 
> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?

The different space before the \chapter is caused by the “fixed” keyword for \blank
which produce different result with MkII and MkIV and the MkIV behaviour need
to be corrected.

The space after \chapter comes from your \writetolist entry and you can correct
this with the \GotoPar command at the end of the entry as shown below.

%%%% begin example
\showgrid

\setuphead[chapter][before={\blank[force,2*line]}]

\starttext

\chapter{Knuth}

\writetolist[chapter]{}{}\GotoPar

\input knuth

\stoptext
%%%% end example

Wolfgang

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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

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On 15 Mar 2015, at 23:24, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>> 
>> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
>> 
>> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
> 
> The different space before the \chapter is caused by the “fixed” keyword for \blank
> which produce different result with MkII and MkIV and the MkIV behaviour need
> to be corrected.
> 
> The space after \chapter comes from your \writetolist entry and you can correct
> this with the \GotoPar command at the end of the entry as shown below.
> 
> %%%% begin example
> \showgrid
> 
> \setuphead[chapter][before={\blank[force,2*line]}]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \chapter{Knuth}
> 
> \writetolist[chapter]{}{}\GotoPar
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \stoptext
> %%%% end example

Thanks. I tried this

% Every chapter starts with a quote on the LHS page:
\setuphead
  [chapter]
  [page=,
   before={\setups[chapter:before]},
   after={\setups[chapter:after]}]

\startsetups chapter:before
    \page[left]
    \noheaderandfooterlines
    \startalignment[left,nothyphenated]
	\startnarrower[4*left]
            \em \getbuffer[chapter:quote]
	\stopnarrower
    \stopalignment
    \resetsetups[quote:text]
    \page[right]
    \noheaderandfooterlines
    \blank[force,2*big]
\stopsetups

\startsetups chapter:after
    \blank[3*big]
\stopsetups

\definelist[chaptertext]
\setuplist[chaptertext][margin=1.3em,pagecommand=\gobbleoneargument]
\define[1]\ChapterAbstract{\writetolist[chaptertext]{}{\start\itx#1\stop}\GotoPar}


(Adding the \GotoPar at the end) but it did not had any effect. At one place (no chapter but an unnumbered title, it doesn’t work as well. Here I now have:

\title[h:grief1]{Intermezzo:\\
A short story about grief}
\writetolist[chapter]{}{Intermezzo: A Short Story about Grief}\GotoPar
\ChapterAbstract{A small fragment of a movie script that beautifully
illustrates the gap between the rational and the real.}

I changed it to 
\title[h:grief1]{Intermezzo:\\
A short story about grief}
\writetolist[chapter]{}{Intermezzo: A Short Story about Grief}\GotoPar
\ChapterAbstract{A small fragment of a movie script that beautifully
illustrates the gap between the rational and the real.}\GotoPar

And that works. So I changed it in another chapter to

\chapter[h:loosely]{Prologue:\\Loosely Coupled Spaghetti}
\ChapterAbstract{Starting with an example of how things can go wrong in a
current Business-IT landscape, we notice that these kinds of problems have
existed almost for as long as IT has existed, and that no proposed `silver
bullet' has ever solved them. The goal of the book is introduced.}\GotoPar

\placeinitial S{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system for the approval of loans. The
business logic has been put into a Business Rule Engine (BRE)
system\footnote{If you are not technical and terms like `application server',

But there it doesn’t. Apparently, I am still missing something. 

G


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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

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Sorry to ask again, but is there no solution?

G

On 16 Mar 2015, at 15:03, Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl> wrote:

> 
> On 15 Mar 2015, at 23:24, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Am 14.03.2015 um 15:54 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>>> 
>>> I am running into two issues with my mkii-to-mkiv conversion project
>>> 
>>> - The \chapter command in mkiv uses more whitespace between the header and the first paragraph. How can I influence this?
>> 
>> The different space before the \chapter is caused by the “fixed” keyword for \blank
>> which produce different result with MkII and MkIV and the MkIV behaviour need
>> to be corrected.
>> 
>> The space after \chapter comes from your \writetolist entry and you can correct
>> this with the \GotoPar command at the end of the entry as shown below.
>> 
>> %%%% begin example
>> \showgrid
>> 
>> \setuphead[chapter][before={\blank[force,2*line]}]
>> 
>> \starttext
>> 
>> \chapter{Knuth}
>> 
>> \writetolist[chapter]{}{}\GotoPar
>> 
>> \input knuth
>> 
>> \stoptext
>> %%%% end example
> 
> Thanks. I tried this
> 
> % Every chapter starts with a quote on the LHS page:
> \setuphead
>   [chapter]
>   [page=,
>    before={\setups[chapter:before]},
>    after={\setups[chapter:after]}]
> 
> \startsetups chapter:before
>     \page[left]
>     \noheaderandfooterlines
>     \startalignment[left,nothyphenated]
> 	\startnarrower[4*left]
>             \em \getbuffer[chapter:quote]
> 	\stopnarrower
>     \stopalignment
>     \resetsetups[quote:text]
>     \page[right]
>     \noheaderandfooterlines
>     \blank[force,2*big]
> \stopsetups
> 
> \startsetups chapter:after
>     \blank[3*big]
> \stopsetups
> 
> \definelist[chaptertext]
> \setuplist[chaptertext][margin=1.3em,pagecommand=\gobbleoneargument]
> \define[1]\ChapterAbstract{\writetolist[chaptertext]{}{\start\itx#1\stop}\GotoPar}
> 
> 
> (Adding the \GotoPar at the end) but it did not had any effect. At one place (no chapter but an unnumbered title, it doesn’t work as well. Here I now have:
> 
> \title[h:grief1]{Intermezzo:\\
> A short story about grief}
> \writetolist[chapter]{}{Intermezzo: A Short Story about Grief}\GotoPar
> \ChapterAbstract{A small fragment of a movie script that beautifully
> illustrates the gap between the rational and the real.}
> 
> I changed it to 
> \title[h:grief1]{Intermezzo:\\
> A short story about grief}
> \writetolist[chapter]{}{Intermezzo: A Short Story about Grief}\GotoPar
> \ChapterAbstract{A small fragment of a movie script that beautifully
> illustrates the gap between the rational and the real.}\GotoPar
> 
> And that works. So I changed it in another chapter to
> 
> \chapter[h:loosely]{Prologue:\\Loosely Coupled Spaghetti}
> \ChapterAbstract{Starting with an example of how things can go wrong in a
> current Business-IT landscape, we notice that these kinds of problems have
> existed almost for as long as IT has existed, and that no proposed `silver
> bullet' has ever solved them. The goal of the book is introduced.}\GotoPar
> 
> \placeinitial S{\kap{\bf uppose we}} have a system for the approval of loans. The
> business logic has been put into a Business Rule Engine (BRE)
> system\footnote{If you are not technical and terms like `application server',
> 
> But there it doesn’t. Apparently, I am still missing something. 
> 
> G
> 
> 
>> 
>> Wolfgang
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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 20.03.2015 um 14:43 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
> 
> Sorry to ask again, but is there no solution?

Can you send a *working* minimal example!

Wolfgang

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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Gerben Wierda]

On 20 Mar 2015, at 18:33, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
>> Am 20.03.2015 um 14:43 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>> 
>> Sorry to ask again, but is there no solution?
> 
> Can you send a *working* minimal example!

I don’t know how. It happens with my project. I can’t publish my entire project’s source code as it is for a book that is sold commercially.

I’ll look into trying to make a minimal example. But so far I haven’t been able to.

G

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Re: mkiv versus mkii: whitespace issues

[Wolfgang Schuster]

> Am 21.03.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
> 
> On 20 Mar 2015, at 18:33, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> Am 20.03.2015 um 14:43 schrieb Gerben Wierda <gerben.wierda@rna.nl>:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to ask again, but is there no solution?
>> 
>> Can you send a *working* minimal example!
> 
> I don’t know how. It happens with my project. I can’t publish my entire project’s source code as it is for a book that is sold commercially.
> 
> I’ll look into trying to make a minimal example. But so far I haven’t been able to.

The initial is the problem but you can fix this when you replace \GotoPar with a different mechanism.

%%%% begin example
\showgrid

\definelist[chaptertext][style=\itx]

\define[1]\ChapterAbstract{\doflushatpar{\writetolist[chaptertext]{}{#1}}}

\starttext

\title{\headtext{content}}

\placelist[chapter,chaptertext]

\chapter{Knuth}

\ChapterAbstract{\input ward }

\placeinitial\input knuth

\stoptext
%%%% end example

Wolfgang
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