How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hamid Kamrani]

At least in the U.S., it is the rule and a strict requirement to
typeset vertical lists in such a way that the numerals align on the
dot or parenthesis following the numeral.

(even the daily violation of the rule by some of the most widely used
word processors such as MS Word has not changed this old-aged
convention.)

I feel it must be possible in ConTeXt to do this because it is such a
basic requirement and ConTeXt is used professionally. However, it's
not the default behavior and I don't know which options will achieve
it.

(And if by any chance, this is not yet possible in ConTeXt, can anyone
suggest a workaround for this, in ConTeXt of course.

It is the default behavior in both LaTeX and eplain.

Compare (eplain):

\numberedlist\listcompact
     \li The first item.
     \li The second item.
     \li The third item.
     \li The fourth item.
     \li The fifth item.
     \li The sixth item.
     \li The seventh item.
     \li The eighth item.
     \li The ninth item.
     \li The tenth item.
\endnumberedlist

and (LaTeX)

\begin{enumerate}
     \item The first item.
     \item The second item.
     \item The third item.
     \item The fourth item.
     \item The fifth item.
     \item The sixth item.
     \item The seventh item.
     \item The eighth item.
     \item The ninth item.
     \item The tenth item.
\end{enumerate}

with (ConTeXt)

\startitemize[n,packed][stopper={.}]
     \item The first item.
     \item The second item.
     \item The third item.
     \item The fourth item.
     \item The fifth item.
     \item The sixth item.
     \item The seventh item.
     \item The eighth item.
     \item The ninth item.
     \item The tenth item.
\stopitemize

Thanks,
-Hamid
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> At least in the U.S., it is the rule and a strict requirement to
> typeset vertical lists in such a way that the numerals align on the
> dot or parenthesis following the numeral.

It is quite possible that there is a simpler solution that I simply
failed to find, but this works:

\unprotect
\startsetups [numberitemleft]
   \hbox to \dimexpr\getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!width -
                    \getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!distance\relax
       \bgroup \hfill
\stopsetups

\startsetups [numberitemright]
   \egroup
\stopsetups
\protect

\starttext
\startitemize[n,packed][left={\setups[numberitemleft]},
                         right={\setups[numberitemright]},
                         stopper={.}]
      \item The first item.
      \item The second item.
      \item The third item.
      \item The fourth item.
      \item The fifth item.
      \item The sixth item.
      \item The seventh item.
      \item The eighth item.
      \item The ninth item.
      \item The tenth item.
\stopitemize
\stoptext


You probably want to increase the 'width' parameter, but that should be
straightforward.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

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On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:13:22 -0400
"Hamid Kamrani" <hamid.kamrani@gmail.com> wrote:

> At least in the U.S., it is the rule and a strict requirement to
> typeset vertical lists in such a way that the numerals align on the
> dot or parenthesis following the numeral.
> 
> (even the daily violation of the rule by some of the most widely used
> word processors such as MS Word has not changed this old-aged
> convention.)
> 
> I feel it must be possible in ConTeXt to do this because it is such a
> basic requirement and ConTeXt is used professionally. However, it's
> not the default behavior and I don't know which options will achieve
> it.
> 
> (And if by any chance, this is not yet possible in ConTeXt, can anyone
> suggest a workaround for this, in ConTeXt of course.
> 
> It is the default behavior in both LaTeX and eplain.

Hi Hamid,

I corrected my last patch and integrated a itemalign key. You can test
it with the following example.

\input core-itm-patch

\starttext

\startframedtext[width=\textwidth]
\startitemize[n][style=bold]
\item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
  \startitemize[5,columns,two]
  \item Excellent student
  \item Good student
  \item Mediocre student
  \item Poor student
  \stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stopframedtext

\startitemize[n][style=bold]
\item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
  \startitemize[5, columns, two]
  \item Excellent student
  \item Good student
  \item Mediocre student
  \item Poor student
  \stopitemize
\stopitemize

\startitemize[n,packed,broad][itemalign=left]
\dorecurse{10}{\item Item \recurselevel.}
\stopitemize

\startitemize[n,packed,broad]
\dorecurse{10}{\item Item \recurselevel.}
\stopitemize

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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\def\c!itemalign{itemalign}

\def\doinitializeitemgrouplevel#1%
  {\copyparameters
     [\??op\currentitemgroup#1][\??oo]
     [\c!width,\c!factor,\c!distance,\c!align,\c!option,
      \c!style,\c!marstyle,\c!symstyle,\c!headstyle,
      \c!color,\c!marcolor,\c!symcolor,\c!headcolor,
      \c!beforehead,\c!afterhead,\c!before,\c!inbetween,\c!after,
      \c!stopper,\c!placestopper,\c!indenting,
      \c!n,\c!inner,\c!symbol,\c!margin,\c!items,
      \c!leftmargin,\c!rightmargin,\c!indentnext,
      \c!command,\c!itemalign,
      \c!start,\c!lefttext,\c!righttext]}

\def\redostartitemgroup[#1][#2]%
  {\setfalse\inlinelistitem % new, no indent (leftskip)
   \setfalse\concatnextitem % new, concat
   \setfalse\txtlistitem
   \ifhmode
     \ifconditional\autoconcatnextitem % new, concat
       \ifdim\lastskip=\itemsignal     % new, concat
         \settrue\concatnextitem       % new, concat
       \fi                             % new, concat
     \fi                               % new, concat
     \ifconditional\textlistitem\else\doifnotinset\v!text{#1}\par\fi % suboptimal
   \fi
   \begingroup
% new where, ok or not / we should integrate random, intro, continue here
\setfalse\reverselistitem
\setfalse\introlistitem
\setfalse\autointrolistitem
\setfalse\beforelistitem
\setfalse\afterlistitem
\setfalse\nowhitelistitem
\setfalse\randomizeitems
%
   \doifinsetelse\v!intro   {#1}{\settrue\introlistitem    }{\setfalse\introlistitem    }%
   \doifinsetelse\v!random  {#1}{\settrue\randomizeitems   }{\setfalse\randomizeitems   }%
   \doifinsetelse\v!continue{#1}{\settrue\continuelistitems}{\setfalse\continuelistitems}%
   % == \doifinsetelse\v!intro{#1}\settrue\setfalse\introlistitem
   \doglobal\increment\noflists
   \let\currentlist\noflists
   \newcounter\noflistelements
   \setfalse\headlistitem
   \setfalse\sublistitem
   \setfalse\symbollistitem
   \let\marsymbol\relax
   \globallet\somdestination\empty
   \let\symsymbol\empty
   \the\itemgroupcommands
\checkcurrentnofitems
   % \getitemparameter\itemlevel\empty
   \let\listitem\empty % ** start value
   \doifelsenothing{#1} % iffirstargument
     {\edef\@@opsymbol{\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!symbol}%
      \letgvalueempty{\@@globalitemsymbol\itemlevel}%
      \global\letitemparameter\itemlevel\v!continue\empty
    % \setitemmark\@@opsymbol % ** default value
      \dosetupitemgroupvariable[\itemlevel][#2]}
     {\dosetupitemgroupconstant[\itemlevel][#1]%
      \dosetupitemgroupvariable[\itemlevel][#2]%
      \doifinsetelse\v!continue{#1}% \noexpand, else problems in non-etex with chinese
        {\edef\@@opsymbol{\noexpand\getvalue{\@@globalitemsymbol\itemlevel}}%
         \getitemparameter\itemlevel\v!continue}
        {\edef\@@opsymbol{\noexpand\getitemparameter{\itemlevel}{\c!symbol}}%
         \global\setitemparameter\itemlevel\v!continue
           {\dosetupitemgroupconstant[\itemlevel][#1]%
            \dosetupitemgroupvariable[\itemlevel][#2]}}%
      \def\docommand##1% \setitemmark resets \docommand
        {\doifnot{##1}{0}{\setitemmark{##1}}}%
    % \processcommalist[#1,\@@opsymbol]\docommand
      \processcommalist[#1]\docommand}% ** preset sequence or provided sequence
   % moved to here, after settings
   \ifnum\itemlevel=\plusone % NIEUW
     \doadaptleftskip {\getitemparameter1\c!margin}%
     \doadaptleftskip {\getitemparameter1\c!leftmargin}%
     \doadaptrightskip{\getitemparameter1\c!rightmargin}%
   \fi
   \dosetraggedcommand{\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!align}\raggedcommand
   \doifsomething{\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!indenting}
     {% is \expanded needed?
      \expanded{\setupindenting[\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!indenting]}}%
   %
   \setitemlevel{#1}% moved to here
   \ifx\listitem\empty
     \setitemmark\@@opsymbol % ** default value
     \ifx\listitem\empty
       \edef\currentitemsymbol{\itemlevel}% ** fall back
     \fi
   \fi
   \ifconditional\autointrolistitem\ifnum\prevgraf<3
     \settrue\introlistitem
   \fi\fi
   \ifconditional\paragraphlistitem
     \ifnum\itemlevel>\plusone
       \letitemparameter\itemlevel\c!inbetween\empty
     \fi
   \fi
   \ifconditional\packlistitem
     \letitemparameter\itemlevel\c!inbetween\empty
   \fi
   \doifinset\v!columns{#1}%
     {\ifinsidecolumns\else\ifnum\itemcolumndepth=\zerocount
        \globallet\itemcolumndepth\itemlevel
        \itembeforecommand
        \processfirstactioninset
          [#1]
          [  \v!one=>\!!counta1\relax,
             \v!two=>\!!counta2\relax,
           \v!three=>\!!counta3\relax,
            \v!four=>\!!counta4\relax,
            \v!five=>\!!counta5\relax,
         \s!unknown=>\@EA\!!counta\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!n]%
        \ifinner
	      \dontleavehmode\vbox\bgroup
	        \scratchdimen\hsize
	        \advance\scratchdimen-\dimexpr\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!width\relax
	        \hsize\scratchdimen
	        \startsimplecolumns
	          [\c!n=\!!counta]
	    \else
          \startcolumns
            [\c!n=\!!counta, % netter \??op\itemlevel\c!n
             \c!height=,
             \c!rule=\v!off,
             \c!balance=\v!yes,
             \c!align=\v!no]%
      \fi\fi\fi}
   \calculatelistwidth\itemlevel{\dimen0}%
   \ifdim\dimen0>\zeropoint\relax
     \ifconditional\inlinelistitem\else
       \advance\leftskip \dimen0\relax
     \fi
   \fi
   \startcollectitems}

\def\stopitemgroup
  {\stopcollectitems
   \ifconditional\textlistitem
     \removeunwantedspaces\space\ignorespaces
   \else
     \par
   \fi
   \ifnum\itemcolumndepth=\zerocount \dolistreference \fi % beware !
   \ifconditional\firstlistitem \else \endgroup \fi % toegevoegd, eerste \som opent groep
   \ifnum\itemcolumndepth=\itemlevel\relax
     \ifinner
       \stopsimplecolumns\egroup
     \else
       \stopcolumns
     \fi
     \doglobal\newcounter\itemcolumndepth
     \itemaftercommand
     \dontrechecknextindentation
   \else
     \ifnum\itemlevel=\plusone
       \doitembreak\allowbreak           % toegevoegd
       \itemaftercommand % \getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!after
       % was: \dochecknextindentation\??oo, is now:
       \dochecknextindentation{\??op\currentitemgroup\itemlevel}%
     \else
       % nieuw, not yet nobreak handling
       \ifcase\autoitemgroupspacing
         \itemaftercommand
       \or
         \itemaftercommand
       \fi
       \dontrechecknextindentation
     \fi
   \fi
   \endgroup
   \doglobal\decrement(\itemlevel,\itemincrement)%
   \egroup
   % new needed in sidefloats (surfaced in volker's proceedings)
   \ifconditional\textlistitem\else\par\fi
   \dorechecknextindentation}

\def\dolistitem % evt aantal items opslaan per niveau, scheelt zoeken
  {\ifconditional\textlistitem
    % begin of item
   \else
     \par
   \fi
%    \ignorespaces
   \increment\noflistelements
   \optimizelistitemsbreak
   \noindent
   \setbox8\hbox
     {\ifconditional\headlistitem
        \ifconditional\symbollistitem
          \symsymbol
        \else
          \doitemattributes\itemlevel\c!headstyle\c!headcolor{\listitem}%
        \fi
      \else
        \ifconditional\symbollistitem
          \symsymbol % no attributes, why?
        \else
          \doitemattributes\itemlevel\c!style\c!color{\listitem}%
        \fi
      \fi}%
   \doifsomething\somdestination
     {\setbox8\hbox{\goto{\box8}[\somdestination]}}%
   \globallet\somdestination\empty
   \dimen2=\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!width\relax
   % new, prevents loops when symbol is (not yet found) graphic
   \ht8=\strutheight
   \dp8=\strutdepth
   % so that content differs per run (esp mp graphics afterwards)
   \checkforrepeatedlistitem
   \ifdim\dimen2<\zeropoint\relax
     \llap{\ifconditional\sublistitem\llap{+}\fi\box8\hskip\leftmargindistance}%
   \else
     \ifdim\dimen2=\zeropoint\relax
       \calculatelistwidth1{\dimen0}%
     \else
       \calculatelistwidth\itemlevel{\dimen0}%
     \fi
     \ifconditional\textlistitem
       \hbox{\ifconditional\sublistitem+\fi\box8\hskip\interwordspace}\nobreak
     \else\ifconditional\inlinelistitem
       \hbox to \dimen0{\ifconditional\sublistitem\llap{+}\fi\box8\hfill}%
     \else\ifconditional\txtlistitem
       \dodotxtitem
     \else
       % todo: align+marge binnen de hbox
       \llap{\hbox to \dimen0{\ifconditional\sublistitem\llap{+}\fi
         \doifelse{\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!itemalign}\v!right
           {\box8\hfill}
           {\hfill\box8\hskip\getitemparameter\itemlevel\c!distance}}}%
     \fi\fi\fi
   \fi
   \forceunexpanded % needed for m conversion (\os) / i need to look into this
   \setevalue{\@@currentitemsymbol\itemlevel}%
     {\getvalue{\@@localitemsymbol\itemlevel}}% still problems with \uchar ?
    %{\noexpand\getvalue{\@@localitemsymbol\itemlevel}}% no, spoils subrefs
   \resetunexpanded
   \setfalse\headlistitem
   \setfalse\sublistitem
   \setfalse\symbollistitem
   \EveryPar{\ignorespaces}% needed ?
   \ignorespaces}

\setupitemgroups
  [\c!itemalign=\v!right]

\protect \endinput

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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hamid Kamrani]

Taco and Wolfang,

Thanks both for your responses.
But:
1. The setup offered by Taco does not line up the numerals on the
dots. Maybe my problem was misunderstood.

2. With Wolfgang's patch, I think I must be missing some code because
I get the Undefined control sequence error.


systems         : begin file itemize-test02 at line 3
! Undefined control sequence.
\redostartitemgroup ...ands \checkcurrentnofitems
                                                  \let \listitem \empty \doi...

\dostartitemgroup ... \dodostartitemgroup [#2][#3]
                                                  \else \doifassignmentelse ...
l.6 \startitemize[n][style=bold]

?
! Undefined control sequence.
\dolistitem ...stelements \optimizelistitemsbreak
                                                  \noindent \setbox 8\hbox {...

Best regards,
-Hamid

On 6/24/07, Wolfgang Schuster <schuster.wolfgang@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 23:13:22 -0400
> "Hamid Kamrani" <hamid.kamrani@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > At least in the U.S., it is the rule and a strict requirement to
> > typeset vertical lists in such a way that the numerals align on the
> > dot or parenthesis following the numeral.
> >
> > (even the daily violation of the rule by some of the most widely used
> > word processors such as MS Word has not changed this old-aged
> > convention.)
> >
> > I feel it must be possible in ConTeXt to do this because it is such a
> > basic requirement and ConTeXt is used professionally. However, it's
> > not the default behavior and I don't know which options will achieve
> > it.
> >
> > (And if by any chance, this is not yet possible in ConTeXt, can anyone
> > suggest a workaround for this, in ConTeXt of course.
> >
> > It is the default behavior in both LaTeX and eplain.
>
> Hi Hamid,
>
> I corrected my last patch and integrated a itemalign key. You can test
> it with the following example.
>
> \input core-itm-patch
>
> \starttext
>
> \startframedtext[width=\textwidth]
> \startitemize[n][style=bold]
> \item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
>   \startitemize[5,columns,two]
>   \item Excellent student
>   \item Good student
>   \item Mediocre student
>   \item Poor student
>   \stopitemize
> \stopitemize
> \stopframedtext
>
> \startitemize[n][style=bold]
> \item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
>   \startitemize[5, columns, two]
>   \item Excellent student
>   \item Good student
>   \item Mediocre student
>   \item Poor student
>   \stopitemize
> \stopitemize
>
> \startitemize[n,packed,broad][itemalign=left]
> \dorecurse{10}{\item Item \recurselevel.}
> \stopitemize
>
> \startitemize[n,packed,broad]
> \dorecurse{10}{\item Item \recurselevel.}
> \stopitemize
>
> \stoptext
>
> Wolfgang
>
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> Taco and Wolfang,
> 
> Thanks both for your responses.
> But:
> 1. The setup offered by Taco does not line up the numerals on the
> dots. Maybe my problem was misunderstood.

Did you miss this?

Taco wrote:
> You probably want to increase the 'width' parameter, but that should be
> straightforward.

It should work with width=2pc (two digits and a dot do not fit in the 
default allocated space, so the 10. sticks out to the right)

Taco
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hamid Kamrani]

On 6/24/07, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> > Taco and Wolfang,
> >
> > Thanks both for your responses.
> > But:
> > 1. The setup offered by Taco does not line up the numerals on the
> > dots. Maybe my problem was misunderstood.
>
> Did you miss this?

I certainly did. I'm sorry, the misunderstanding was on my part.

I do like your solution. But how to make it the default? This should
be the default behavior and in fact the required width should be
calculated by ConTeXt. Otherwise ConTeXt is behaving like MS Word.

Please note that, second to paragraphs, lists are the most widely used
text blocks. It is imperative that they format correctly.

If you're using Arabic numerals then you have the chance to list your
first 9 items correctly.But, alas, if you have to use roman numeral.
The problem shows up in the second item. (you would not itemize if you
had only one item!)

Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
core of ConTeXt.

My apologies for discounting your solution too quickly.

Best regards,
-Hamid





>
> Taco wrote:
> > You probably want to increase the 'width' parameter, but that should be
> > straightforward.
>
> It should work with width=2pc (two digits and a dot do not fit in the
> default allocated space, so the 10. sticks out to the right)
>
> Taco
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hamid Kamrani]

On 6/24/07, Hamid Kamrani <hamid.kamrani@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/24/07, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> > Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> > > Taco and Wolfang,
> > >
> > > Thanks both for your responses.
> > > But:
> > > 1. The setup offered by Taco does not line up the numerals on the
> > > dots. Maybe my problem was misunderstood.
> >
> > Did you miss this?
On a follow-up to previous note:
I think this is how I missed the width issue. In my testing, I had
both distance and width parameters. I may  be doing something wrong
but these two conflict.
\unprotect
\startsetups [numberitemleft]
  \hbox to \dimexpr\getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!width -
                   \getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!distance\relax
      \bgroup\hfill
\stopsetups

\startsetups [numberitemright]
  \egroup
\stopsetups
\protect

\starttext
\startitemize[n][style=bold]
\item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
\startitemize[R,packed][left={\setups[numberitemleft]},
                        right={\setups[numberitemright]},
                        stopper={.},
                        width=3em,
                        style=\sc,
                        distance=5em]
     \item The first item.
     \item The second item.
     \item The third item.
     \item The fourth item.
     \item The fifth item.
     \item The sixth item.
     \item The seventh item.
     \item The eighth item.
     \item The ninth item.
     \item The tenth item.
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext

Best,
-Hamid

>
> I certainly did. I'm sorry, the misunderstanding was on my part.
>
> I do like your solution. But how to make it the default? This should
> be the default behavior and in fact the required width should be
> calculated by ConTeXt. Otherwise ConTeXt is behaving like MS Word.
>
> Please note that, second to paragraphs, lists are the most widely used
> text blocks. It is imperative that they format correctly.
>
> If you're using Arabic numerals then you have the chance to list your
> first 9 items correctly.But, alas, if you have to use roman numeral.
> The problem shows up in the second item. (you would not itemize if you
> had only one item!)
>
> Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
> for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
> core of ConTeXt.
>
> My apologies for discounting your solution too quickly.
>
> Best regards,
> -Hamid
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Taco wrote:
> > > You probably want to increase the 'width' parameter, but that should be
> > > straightforward.
> >
> > It should work with width=2pc (two digits and a dot do not fit in the
> > default allocated space, so the 10. sticks out to the right)
> >
> > Taco
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

2007/6/25, Hamid Kamrani <hamid.kamrani@gmail.com>:
> On 6/24/07, Hamid Kamrani <hamid.kamrani@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 6/24/07, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> > > Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> > > > Taco and Wolfang,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks both for your responses.
> > > > But:
> > > > 1. The setup offered by Taco does not line up the numerals on the
> > > > dots. Maybe my problem was misunderstood.
> > >
> > > Did you miss this?
> On a follow-up to previous note:
> I think this is how I missed the width issue. In my testing, I had
> both distance and width parameters. I may  be doing something wrong
> but these two conflict.

The width value need to be larger than the distance value because the resulting
width for the number in your example is width (below 3em) - distance (below 5em)
= -2em (5em - 3em). The same problem did also appear in my solution.
Wolfgang

> \unprotect
> \startsetups [numberitemleft]
>   \hbox to \dimexpr\getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!width -
>                    \getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!distance\relax
>       \bgroup\hfill
> \stopsetups
>
> \startsetups [numberitemright]
>   \egroup
> \stopsetups
> \protect
>
> \starttext
> \startitemize[n][style=bold]
> \item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
> \startitemize[R,packed][left={\setups[numberitemleft]},
>                         right={\setups[numberitemright]},
>                         stopper={.},
>                         width=3em,
>                         style=\sc,
>                         distance=5em]
>      \item The first item.
>      \item The second item.
>      \item The third item.
>      \item The fourth item.
>      \item The fifth item.
>      \item The sixth item.
>      \item The seventh item.
>      \item The eighth item.
>      \item The ninth item.
>      \item The tenth item.
> \stopitemize
> \stopitemize
> \stoptext
>
> Best,
> -Hamid
>
> >
> > I certainly did. I'm sorry, the misunderstanding was on my part.
> >
> > I do like your solution. But how to make it the default? This should
> > be the default behavior and in fact the required width should be
> > calculated by ConTeXt. Otherwise ConTeXt is behaving like MS Word.
> >
> > Please note that, second to paragraphs, lists are the most widely used
> > text blocks. It is imperative that they format correctly.
> >
> > If you're using Arabic numerals then you have the chance to list your
> > first 9 items correctly.But, alas, if you have to use roman numeral.
> > The problem shows up in the second item. (you would not itemize if you
> > had only one item!)
> >
> > Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
> > for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
> > core of ConTeXt.
> >
> > My apologies for discounting your solution too quickly.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > -Hamid
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Taco wrote:
> > > > You probably want to increase the 'width' parameter, but that should be
> > > > straightforward.
> > >
> > > It should work with width=2pc (two digits and a dot do not fit in the
> > > default allocated space, so the 10. sticks out to the right)
> > >
> > > Taco
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Taco Hoekwater]

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Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> 
> Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
> for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
> core of ConTeXt.

See the attached file how to make a special version of itemize
that has default behaviour like you want. I could have used
\setupitemgroup[itemize] directly instead, but I assume you don't
want your bullet lists right aligned as well.

Since ConTeXt cannot know beforehand how wide the number space
should be (neither do eplain and latex), the 'width' key has to
be a fixed quantity, but you can still change all of the default
parameters where you call \startenumerate, just like you did
before with \startitemize, so that should be only a minor
nuisance.

I do agree it would be better if the core was extended so that
the two setups were not necessary.

Best wishes,
Taco





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\unprotect
\startsetups [numberitemleft]
  \hbox to \dimexpr\getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!width - 
                    \getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!distance\relax 
   \bgroup \hfill
\stopsetups

\startsetups [numberitemright]
  \egroup
\stopsetups
\protect

\defineitemgroup
   [enumerate]

\setupitemgroup
   [enumerate]
   [each]
   [n,packed]
   [left={\setups[numberitemleft]},
    right={\setups[numberitemright]},
    stopper={.},
    width=2pc]

\starttext
\startenumerate
     \item The first item.
     \item The second item.
     \item The third item.
     \item The fourth item.
     \item The fifth item.
     \item The sixth item.
     \item The seventh item.
     \item The eighth item.
     \item The ninth item.
     \item The tenth item.
\stopenumerate
\stoptext

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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hamid Kamrani]

Thank you both, Taco and Wolfgang.

I will make use of your suggestions and solutions.

BTW. It seems that now I have to put some of the styling of the
numerals, such as using small caps in the setups of right and left.
For example:

\unprotect
\startsetups [numberitemleft]
  \hbox to \dimexpr\getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!width -
                   \getitemparameter\itemlevel \c!distance\relax
      \bgroup\hfill
      \cap\bgroup(
\stopsetups

\startsetups [numberitemright]
  )\egroup
  \egroup
\stopsetups
\protect

\starttext
\startitemize[n][style=bold]
\item As a college student, how do you rate yourself?
\startitemize[R,packed][left={\setups[numberitemleft]},
                        right={\setups[numberitemright]},
                        stopper={.},
                        width=4.5em,
                        style=\sl,
                        distance=2em]
     \item The first item.
     \item The second item.
     \item The third item.
     \item The fourth item.
     \item The fifth item.
     \item The sixth item.
     \item The seventh item.
     \item The eighth item.
     \item The ninth item.
     \item The tenth item.
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext

Thanks again,
-Hamid

On 6/25/07, Taco Hoekwater <taco@elvenkind.com> wrote:
> Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> >
> > Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
> > for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
> > core of ConTeXt.
>
> See the attached file how to make a special version of itemize
> that has default behaviour like you want. I could have used
> \setupitemgroup[itemize] directly instead, but I assume you don't
> want your bullet lists right aligned as well.
>
> Since ConTeXt cannot know beforehand how wide the number space
> should be (neither do eplain and latex), the 'width' key has to
> be a fixed quantity, but you can still change all of the default
> parameters where you call \startenumerate, just like you did
> before with \startitemize, so that should be only a minor
> nuisance.
>
> I do agree it would be better if the core was extended so that
> the two setups were not necessary.
>
> Best wishes,
> Taco
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> Thank you both, Taco and Wolfgang.
> 
> I will make use of your suggestions and solutions.
> 
> BTW. It seems that now I have to put some of the styling of the
> numerals, such as using small caps in the setups of right and left.

Yes, that is the downside of lack of core support.

Best wishes,
Taco
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hans Hagen]

Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> Hamid Kamrani wrote:
>>
>> Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
>> for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
>> core of ConTeXt.
> 
> See the attached file how to make a special version of itemize
> that has default behaviour like you want. I could have used
> \setupitemgroup[itemize] directly instead, but I assume you don't
> want your bullet lists right aligned as well.
> 
> Since ConTeXt cannot know beforehand how wide the number space
> should be (neither do eplain and latex), the 'width' key has to
> be a fixed quantity, but you can still change all of the default
> parameters where you call \startenumerate, just like you did
> before with \startitemize, so that should be only a minor
> nuisance.
> 
> I do agree it would be better if the core was extended so that
> the two setups were not necessary.

I'll upload a beta that supports:

\startitemize[n,fit,broad][itemalign=flushright]
      \dorecurse{100}{\item The first item.}
\stopitemize

\setupitemgroup[itemize][each][fit]
\setupitemgroup[itemize][each][distance=.5em,factor=1,itemalign=flushright]

\startitemize[n]
      \dorecurse{100}{\item The first item.}
\stopitemize

others should wikify this

Hans


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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Hamid Kamrani]

And so you did. This is beautiful. Thank you Hans.

On 6/25/07, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> Taco Hoekwater wrote:
> > Hamid Kamrani wrote:
> >>
> >> Taco, I very much appreciate your solution. It allows me to continue
> >> for now but I humbly ask, in fact, beg to have a solution built in the
> >> core of ConTeXt.
> >
> > See the attached file how to make a special version of itemize
> > that has default behaviour like you want. I could have used
> > \setupitemgroup[itemize] directly instead, but I assume you don't
> > want your bullet lists right aligned as well.
> >
> > Since ConTeXt cannot know beforehand how wide the number space
> > should be (neither do eplain and latex), the 'width' key has to
> > be a fixed quantity, but you can still change all of the default
> > parameters where you call \startenumerate, just like you did
> > before with \startitemize, so that should be only a minor
> > nuisance.
> >
> > I do agree it would be better if the core was extended so that
> > the two setups were not necessary.
>
> I'll upload a beta that supports:
>
> \startitemize[n,fit,broad][itemalign=flushright]
>       \dorecurse{100}{\item The first item.}
> \stopitemize
>
> \setupitemgroup[itemize][each][fit]
> \setupitemgroup[itemize][each][distance=.5em,factor=1,itemalign=flushright]
>
> \startitemize[n]
>       \dorecurse{100}{\item The first item.}
> \stopitemize
>
> others should wikify this
>
> Hans
>
>
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Re: How to align numerals in lists on the dot or paranthesis that follows the numeral?

[Wolfgang Schuster]

2007/6/24, Hamid Kamrani <hamid.kamrani@gmail.com>:
> Taco and Wolfang,
>
> Thanks both for your responses.
> But:
> 1. The setup offered by Taco does not line up the numerals on the
> dots. Maybe my problem was misunderstood.
>
> 2. With Wolfgang's patch, I think I must be missing some code because
> I get the Undefined control sequence error.
>
>
> systems         : begin file itemize-test02 at line 3
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> \redostartitemgroup ...ands \checkcurrentnofitems
>                                                   \let \listitem \empty \doi...
>
> \dostartitemgroup ... \dodostartitemgroup [#2][#3]
>                                                   \else \doifassignmentelse ...
> l.6 \startitemize[n][style=bold]
>
> ?
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> \dolistitem ...stelements \optimizelistitemsbreak
>                                                   \noindent \setbox 8\hbox {...
>
> Best regards,
> -Hamid

Hi Hamid,

I tested my code on the garden and it worked, update your ConTeXt
and it should also work for you.

Wolfgang
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