em = slanted?

em = slanted?

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

Just a question for my curiousity: why \em switches to Slanted, not Italic?
(I found this while  setting up my own typescript for luatex.)

Best,
Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

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mimimal typescripting

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello,

I'm wondering why before defining a typeface I must define a synonym for it. For example, my minimal working definition for Vladimir Script fontface is

\starttypescript [serif] [vladimirscript]
    \definefontsynonym [Serif][name:vladimir][features=default]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [vladimirscript]
    \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [vladimirscript] [default]
\stoptypescript

Being XeTeX-adherent, it is a pain for me write that all for every font I use. Why I cannot specify it as simply as

\starttypescript [vladimirscript]
    \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [name:vladimir] [default]
\stoptypescript

or better just

\definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [name:vladimir] [default]

without any synonyms?

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Re: em = slanted?

[luigi scarso]

On 8/12/07, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky <yatskovsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Just a question for my curiousity: why \em switches to Slanted, not Italic?
hmm, try
\starttext
aXX {\it aXX {\em aXX}} \em aXX
\stoptext

Do you see the difference between first \em and second \em ?
\em stands for emphasize, so if surrounding texts is italic \em switch to roman.
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Re: em = slanted?

[Aditya Mahajan]

On Sun, 12 Aug 2007, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Just a question for my curiousity: why \em switches to Slanted, not Italic?
> (I found this while  setting up my own typescript for luatex.)

I don't know the reason for difference in defaults, but it can be 
changed:

\setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]

Aditya
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Re: em = slanted?

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Aug 2007, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>>
>> Just a question for my curiousity: why \em switches to Slanted, not Italic?
>> (I found this while  setting up my own typescript for luatex.)
> 
> I don't know the reason for difference in defaults, but it can be 
> changed:
> 
> \setupbodyfontenvironment[default][em=italic]

slanted has alwaye been the default .. dates from the time that we 
mostly used computer modern and i didn't want that italic for emphasizing

Hans

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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Hans Hagen]

Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm wondering why before defining a typeface I must define a synonym for it. For example, my minimal working definition for Vladimir Script fontface is
> 
> \starttypescript [serif] [vladimirscript]
>     \definefontsynonym [Serif][name:vladimir][features=default]
> \stoptypescript
> \starttypescript [vladimirscript]
>     \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [vladimirscript] [default]
> \stoptypescript
> 
> Being XeTeX-adherent, it is a pain for me write that all for every font I use. Why I cannot specify it as simply as
> 
> \starttypescript [vladimirscript]
>     \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [name:vladimir] [default]
> \stoptypescript
> 
> or better just
> 
> \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [name:vladimir] [default]
> 
> without any synonyms?
> 

depends if you want to access the individual fonts later on, some fonts 
come with 20 variants and only a few are used in a typeface then but you 
still may want to access the rest with symbolic names
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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Dear Hans,

I fully understand that such complex typescripts can be the only way to use full-featured professional fonts.  But if I have only one ttf with one kind of typeface in it, should I write it all? XeTeX style was very appealing for many people, and verbose font definitions may distract these users.  

But anyway, thank you for escaping us from TeX-specific font hell :)

Let me restate my question: is the following definition is really MINIMAL or it can be further reduced in some way?

 \starttypescript [serif] [vladimirscript]
    \definefontsynonym [Serif][name:vladimir][features=default]
 \stoptypescript
 \starttypescript [vladimirscript]
     \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [vladimirscript] [default]
 \stoptypescript

\usetypescript[vladimirscript]
\setupbodyfont
    [vladimirscript, 12pt]

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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Hans Hagen]

Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Dear Hans,
> 
> I fully understand that such complex typescripts can be the only way to use full-featured professional fonts.  But if I have only one ttf with one kind of typeface in it, should I write it all? XeTeX style was very appealing for many people, and verbose font definitions may distract these users.  

i dunno what xetex style means here, but

	\font\vladimirscript=name:vladimir*default at 12pt

is as minimum as it can gets but normally you want to set up a whole 
bunch of related things

> But anyway, thank you for escaping us from TeX-specific font hell :)
> 
> Let me restate my question: is the following definition is really MINIMAL or it can be further reduced in some way?
> 
>  \starttypescript [serif] [vladimirscript]
>     \definefontsynonym [Serif][name:vladimir][features=default]
>  \stoptypescript
>  \starttypescript [vladimirscript]
>      \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [vladimirscript] [default]
>  \stoptypescript
> 
> \usetypescript[vladimirscript]
> \setupbodyfont
>     [vladimirscript, 12pt]

\starttypescript [serif] [vladimirscript]
\setups[font:fallback:serif]
\definefontsynonym [Serif][name:vladimir][features=default]
\stoptypescript

\starttypescript [vladimirscript]
\definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [vladimirscript] [default]
\stoptypescript

\usetypescript[vladimirscript]
\setupbodyfont[vladimirscript, 12pt]

by adding the setups call, you make sure that your bold etc also uses 
the same font as fallback



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Re: em = slanted?

[Hans Hagen]

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

> Yes, I meant, why Context's defaults are different from latex's (and 
> plain tex)

because i hardly used, plain, only used latex for one document, then 
moved on to lamstex, inrstex and then started making a package that was 
configurable nd and could handle dutch; i know plain, but my latex 
knowlegde is minimal (only what i hear at conferences) -)

Hans

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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello Hans,

Thank you for the example, it looks really minimal. :)

But nevertheless I cannot make use of it! Should I use  \setupbodyfont or other command or nothing then? (I tried some variants, none worked). I currently have this, small and ugly: :) 

%engine=luatex
\starttext
\font\vladimirscript=name:vladimir*default at 36pt
\midaligned{This is my title to be in big vladimir font}
\stoptext

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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Wolfgang Schuster]

2007/8/13, Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky <yatskovsky@gmail.com>:
> Hello Hans,
>
> Thank you for the example, it looks really minimal. :)
>
> But nevertheless I cannot make use of it! Should I use  \setupbodyfont or other command or nothing then? (I tried some variants, none worked). I currently have this, small and ugly: :)
>
> %engine=luatex
> \starttext
> \font\vladimirscript=name:vladimir*default at 36pt
\vladimirscript
> \midaligned{This is my title to be in big vladimir font}
> \stoptext
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky

You should also enable then font, it is not enough to define it only.

Wolfgang
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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky]

Hello Wolfgang,

Thanks. It works!

%engine=luatex
\starttext
\font\vladimirscript=name:vladimir*default at 36pt
\vladimirscript
\midaligned{This is my title to be in big vladimir font}
\stoptext

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Re: mimimal typescripting

[Taco Hoekwater]

Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky wrote:
> Hello Wolfgang,
> 
> Thanks. It works!
> 

If you want to get away from the bare \font command but not much
more advanced, you can do this, which is a little shorter than
your original definition:

  \starttypescript [serif] [vladimirscript]
     \definefontsynonym [Serif][name:vladimir][features=default]
  \stoptypescript
  \definetypeface [vladimirscript] [rm] [serif] [vladimirscript][default]

  \setupbodyfont
     [vladimirscript, 12pt]


Best wishes, Taco
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