Re: MetaFont

Re: MetaFont

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> > But this does massivly restrict metafonts capabilities. Pens for
> > example are not allowed (Metafont with applied handbrake)!
> 
> I agree, metatype1 is not very easy to use if you are familiar
> with
> metafont already. For existing fonts, mf2pt1 is in general the
> best
> approach, I think. There is a (patched?) version out there that
> delegates most the hard work to fontforge, and it's results are
> normally
> quite acceptable.

There was once (1990) an article in TUGboat 11:4, pages 525-541
which discribes an patch to mf84. The patched mf could produce type3 
fonts. Should'nt it be possible to do the same for type1?

Wolfgang
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Taco Hoekwater]

Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>>> But this does massivly restrict metafonts capabilities. Pens for
>>> example are not allowed (Metafont with applied handbrake)!
>> I agree, metatype1 is not very easy to use if you are familiar
>> with
>> metafont already. For existing fonts, mf2pt1 is in general the
>> best
>> approach, I think. There is a (patched?) version out there that
>> delegates most the hard work to fontforge, and it's results are
>> normally
>> quite acceptable.
> 
> There was once (1990) an article in TUGboat 11:4, pages 525-541
> which discribes an patch to mf84. The patched mf could produce type3 
> fonts. Should'nt it be possible to do the same for type1?

Not without a lot of effort. Type3 fonts allow all sorts of stuff
that is illegal in Type1, like overlapping and mixing of strokes
and fills.

Best wishes,
Taco
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> >>> But this does massivly restrict metafonts capabilities. Pens
> for
> >>> example are not allowed (Metafont with applied handbrake)!
> >> I agree, metatype1 is not very easy to use if you are familiar
> >> with
> >> metafont already. For existing fonts, mf2pt1 is in general the
> >> best
> >> approach, I think. There is a (patched?) version out there that
> >> delegates most the hard work to fontforge, and it's results are
> >> normally
> >> quite acceptable.
> > 
> > There was once (1990) an article in TUGboat 11:4, pages 525-541
> > which discribes an patch to mf84. The patched mf could produce
> type3 
> > fonts. Should'nt it be possible to do the same for type1?
> 
> Not without a lot of effort. Type3 fonts allow all sorts of stuff
> that is illegal in Type1, like overlapping and mixing of strokes
> and fills.

The cases where fontforge is refusing, are cases which are best 
handeld inside metafont, where one has the knowledge: a.) elliptical 
curves, which are represented by polygons (lots of points and 
resolution depandend) and should converted to something smoother, and 
b.) short epicycles, which are also artifacts from penmotions, which 
can easyly be detected and replaced by an corner point.

Wolfgang
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Taco Hoekwater]

Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>>> Has anybody ever tried to rewrite metafont to produce type1
>> fonts?
>>
>> Yes. The Gyre project is using an extended Metapost to generate
>> Type1
>> and OTF fonts.
>>
>>
> 
> That's MetaType1?
> But this does massivly restrict metafonts capabilities. Pens for 
> example are not allowed (Metafont with applied handbrake)!

I agree, metatype1 is not very easy to use if you are familiar with
metafont already. For existing fonts, mf2pt1 is in general the best
approach, I think. There is a (patched?) version out there that
delegates most the hard work to fontforge, and it's results are normally
quite acceptable.

Best wishes,
Taco
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> > Has anybody ever tried to rewrite metafont to produce type1
> fonts?
> 
> Yes. The Gyre project is using an extended Metapost to generate
> Type1
> and OTF fonts.
> 
> Best
>    Martin
> 

That's MetaType1?
But this does massivly restrict metafonts capabilities. Pens for 
example are not allowed (Metafont with applied handbrake)!

Wolfgang

___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Martin Schröder]

2007/8/15, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini <wwl@musensturm.de>:
> Has anybody ever tried to rewrite metafont to produce type1 fonts?

Yes. The Gyre project is using an extended Metapost to generate Type1
and OTF fonts.

Best
   Martin
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

> >> I am still using MetaFont typefaces.
> >> Will too LuaTeX support MetaFont as PdfTeX does?
> 
> Yes (as Hans and Martin said already). But you really should
> consider switching to outline fonts.

I am looking for a good way to convert these fonts to type1, but 
textrace and mftrace don't run under windows and the results of 
mf2pt1 are not (yet) ok. I am working on this.

Has anybody ever tried to rewrite metafont to produce type1 fonts?

Wolfgang
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
>> Hallo,
>>
>> I am still using MetaFont typefaces.
>> Will too LuaTeX support MetaFont as PdfTeX does?

Yes (as Hans and Martin said already). But you really should
consider switching to outline fonts.

Taco
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Martin Schröder]

2007/8/13, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> as long as you use tfm files and have proper map entries

"Pixel fonts can be used without being listed in the map file."

Best
   Martin
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Martin Schröder]

2007/8/13, Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini <wwl@musensturm.de>:
> I am still using MetaFont typefaces.
> Will too LuaTeX support MetaFont as PdfTeX does?

Of course. It's still TeX. :-)

Best
   Martin
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

Re: MetaFont

[Hans Hagen]

Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote:
> Hallo,
> 
> I am still using MetaFont typefaces.
> Will too LuaTeX support MetaFont as PdfTeX does?

as long as you use tfm files and have proper map entries

Hans

-----------------------------------------------------------------
                                           Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE
               Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
      tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com
                                              | www.pragma-pod.nl
-----------------------------------------------------------------
___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________

MetaFont

[Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini]

Hallo,

I am still using MetaFont typefaces.
Will too LuaTeX support MetaFont as PdfTeX does?

Wolfgang



___________________________________________________________________________________
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive  : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
___________________________________________________________________________________