* luatex and typescripts/fonts
@ 2007-08-29 11:05 Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-08-29 11:28 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2007-08-29 11:52 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-08-29 11:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hi guys,
I missed some of the excitement of the last two weeks because I was
away. I tested the latest versions of ConTeXt and luatex and have
some problems:
1. Is there a simple switch to between luatex and pdftex? If I want
to write typescripts with the new name: syntax, I'd like to have the
old typsecripts as well to remain compatible. So: is there something
like a simple switch \ifluatex?
2. I tested with a number of OpenType fonts from my Adobe Type
Classics CD: ConTeXt Mkiv can address these fonts (which is
wonderful), but it does not read the kerning information. I don't
know whether this is because Adobe's kerning tables are so big
(kerning appears to work with the TeXGyre fonts and Latin Modern) or
because the Adobe fonts have these tables included in a somewhat
different way.
Will be back with lots of more question re. Greek soon!
All best
Thomas
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 11:05 luatex and typescripts/fonts Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2007-08-29 11:28 ` Wolfgang Schuster
2007-08-29 11:52 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-08-29 11:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2007/8/29, Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de>:
> Hi guys,
>
> I missed some of the excitement of the last two weeks because I was
> away. I tested the latest versions of ConTeXt and luatex and have
> some problems:
>
> 1. Is there a simple switch to between luatex and pdftex? If I want
> to write typescripts with the new name: syntax, I'd like to have the
> old typsecripts as well to remain compatible. So: is there something
> like a simple switch \ifluatex?
Hi Thomas,
you can try group your pdfTeX typescripts in
\beginOLDTEX ... \endOLDTEX
and your LuaTeX typescripts in
\beginLUATEX ... \endLUATEX
groups, or you make two extra files--one for pdfTeX and one for
LuaTeX--with the file type mkii and mkiv and load them in your
typescript file with \loadmarkfile{type-...}.
> 2. I tested with a number of OpenType fonts from my Adobe Type
> Classics CD: ConTeXt Mkiv can address these fonts (which is
> wonderful), but it does not read the kerning information. I don't
> know whether this is because Adobe's kerning tables are so big
> (kerning appears to work with the TeXGyre fonts and Latin Modern) or
> because the Adobe fonts have these tables included in a somewhat
> different way.
Sorry, not my price class.
> Will be back with lots of more question re. Greek soon!
>
> All best
>
> Thomas
Welcome back!
Wolfgang
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 11:05 luatex and typescripts/fonts Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-08-29 11:28 ` Wolfgang Schuster
@ 2007-08-29 11:52 ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-29 14:07 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-09-03 8:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-29 11:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I missed some of the excitement of the last two weeks because I was
> away. I tested the latest versions of ConTeXt and luatex and have
> some problems:
>
> 1. Is there a simple switch to between luatex and pdftex? If I want
> to write typescripts with the new name: syntax, I'd like to have the
> old typsecripts as well to remain compatible. So: is there something
> like a simple switch \ifluatex?
one option is to make two versions (name.mkii and name.mkiv) and then in
the name.tex file say \loadmarkfile{name} which will choose the right
variant then
> 2. I tested with a number of OpenType fonts from my Adobe Type
> Classics CD: ConTeXt Mkiv can address these fonts (which is
> wonderful), but it does not read the kerning information. I don't
> know whether this is because Adobe's kerning tables are so big
> (kerning appears to work with the TeXGyre fonts and Latin Modern) or
> because the Adobe fonts have these tables included in a somewhat
> different way.
depends on the way you define things ... maybe the kerning is language
dependent? kern is a feature
in base mode, we use tex's kerning and ligatures and can only have
simple replacement, in node mode, mkiv does everything itself
> Will be back with lots of more question re. Greek soon!
good
Hans
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 11:52 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-08-29 14:07 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-08-29 16:29 ` Hans Hagen
2007-09-03 8:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-08-29 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Wolfgang, Hans,
thanks a lot for your replies, that was extremely helpful.
On Aug 29, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
> one option is to make two versions (name.mkii and name.mkiv) and
> then in
> the name.tex file say \loadmarkfile{name} which will choose the right
> variant then
>
Ah, so \loadmarkfile is the magic switch. I had the idea to use .mkii
and .mkiv but couldn't figure out how to. Now that's very useful for
all further experiments...
> depends on the way you define things ... maybe the kerning is language
> dependent? kern is a feature
>
> in base mode, we use tex's kerning and ligatures and can only have
> simple replacement, in node mode, mkiv does everything itself
>
Okay, I tried this minimal definition in my typescript:
\definefontfeature
[jens]
[mode=node,kern=yes]
\starttypescript [serif] [jenson]
\definefontsynonym [Jenson-Roman] [name:AJensonPro-
Regular] [features=jens] \stoptypescript
\starttypescript [serif] [jenson]
\definefontsynonym [Serif] [Jenson-Roman] [features=jens]
\stoptypescript
\starttypescript [Jenson]
\definetypeface [Jenson] [rm] [serif] [jenson] [default]
\stoptypescript
But still no joy: I don't get any kerning. Tried with all sorts of
settings for script= and language=, but to no avail.
Thomas
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 14:07 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2007-08-29 16:29 ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-29 17:21 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-29 16:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> But still no joy: I don't get any kerning. Tried with all sorts of
> settings for script= and language=, but to no avail.
there is indeed aproblem with kerning, depends on the kind of lookup
(only the real complex contextual ones work); i'll fix it
Hans
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 16:29 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-08-29 17:21 ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-29 17:49 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-29 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Hans Hagen wrote:
> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
>
>> But still no joy: I don't get any kerning. Tried with all sorts of
>> settings for script= and language=, but to no avail.
>
> there is indeed aproblem with kerning, depends on the kind of lookup
> (only the real complex contextual ones work); i'll fix it
i'm preparing a new upload that should fix it ...
\starttext
\setupcolors[state=start]
\definefontfeature
[default-base]
[script=dftl,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,trep=yes]
\definefontfeature
[default-node]
[script=dftl,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=yes,tlig=yes,trep=yes,mode=node]
\definefontfeature
[default-none]
[script=dftl,language=dflt,liga=yes,kern=no, tlig=yes,trep=yes]
\startoverlay
{\vtop{\color[red] {\font\test=name:lmroman12regular*default-node
\test \input ward \input zapf \input linden }}}
{\vtop{\color[green]{\font\test=name:lmroman12regular*default-base
\test \input ward \input zapf \input linden }}}
{\vtop{\color[blue] {\font\test=name:lmroman12regular*default-none
\test \input ward \input zapf \input linden }}}
\stopoverlay
\blank
\startoverlay
{\vtop{\color[red] {\font\test=name:texgyrepagella*default-node
\test \input ward \input zapf \input linden }}}
{\vtop{\color[green]{\font\test=name:texgyrepagella*default-base
\test \input ward \input zapf \input linden }}}
{\vtop{\color[blue] {\font\test=name:texgyrepagella*default-none
\test \input ward \input zapf \input linden }}}
\stopoverlay
\stoptext
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 17:21 ` Hans Hagen
@ 2007-08-29 17:49 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
2007-08-29 18:51 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Thomas A. Schmitz @ 2007-08-29 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
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On Aug 29, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> i'm preparing a new upload that should fix it ...
>
Very nice sample file... But the 19:22 version doesn't fix it for the
Adobe fonts. Kerning has worked for me with the TeXGyre and LM fonts.
Thanks for looking into it, Hans!
Best
Thomas
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 17:49 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2007-08-29 18:51 ` Hans Hagen
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From: Hans Hagen @ 2007-08-29 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> On Aug 29, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>
>> i'm preparing a new upload that should fix it ...
>>
>
> Very nice sample file... But the 19:22 version doesn't fix it for the
> Adobe fonts. Kerning has worked for me with the TeXGyre and LM fonts.
that was base kerning -)
what font? i need to look into the font in order to see what is the problem
i'll send you a file showing that at least my fonts work -)
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* Re: luatex and typescripts/fonts
2007-08-29 11:52 ` Hans Hagen
2007-08-29 14:07 ` Thomas A. Schmitz
@ 2007-09-03 8:08 ` Wolfgang Schuster
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From: Wolfgang Schuster @ 2007-09-03 8:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
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2007/8/29, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I missed some of the excitement of the last two weeks because I was
> > away. I tested the latest versions of ConTeXt and luatex and have
> > some problems:
> >
> > 1. Is there a simple switch to between luatex and pdftex? If I want
> > to write typescripts with the new name: syntax, I'd like to have the
> > old typsecripts as well to remain compatible. So: is there something
> > like a simple switch \ifluatex?
Hi Hans,
can't this be integrated in \usetypescriptfile to look at first for a file
with the extensions mkii, mkiii or mkiv and if there is no file use
a tex file as fallback.
Wolfgang
> one option is to make two versions (name.mkii and name.mkiv) and then in
> the name.tex file say \loadmarkfile{name} which will choose the right
> variant then
>
> > 2. I tested with a number of OpenType fonts from my Adobe Type
> > Classics CD: ConTeXt Mkiv can address these fonts (which is
> > wonderful), but it does not read the kerning information. I don't
> > know whether this is because Adobe's kerning tables are so big
> > (kerning appears to work with the TeXGyre fonts and Latin Modern) or
> > because the Adobe fonts have these tables included in a somewhat
> > different way.
>
> depends on the way you define things ... maybe the kerning is language
> dependent? kern is a feature
>
> in base mode, we use tex's kerning and ligatures and can only have
> simple replacement, in node mode, mkiv does everything itself
>
> > Will be back with lots of more question re. Greek soon!
>
> good
>
> Hans
>
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