From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/52088 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans van der Meer Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: how to get minimals working? Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:25 +0200 Message-ID: <4755196F-CEAE-49BC-9C5B-FD0CCB4C9276@uva.nl> References: <6faad9f00908040722q59001e39y8d65b955387a013f@mail.gmail.com> <92B35E4D-B567-4434-9375-8B732AD57E14@uva.nl> <6faad9f00908041045pe783debub3a6201a9215a13e@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1882133191==" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249411665 24690 80.91.229.12 (4 Aug 2009 18:47:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:47:45 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Tue Aug 04 20:47:38 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([195.12.62.10]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MYP2s-0007nf-0v for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:47:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AC7C9AE3; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id embYmYSHNAZo; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03333C9AAD; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F5D5C9AAD for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from balder.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (balder.elvenkind.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YqcgS7mPWHEn for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from pony.ic.uva.nl (pony.ic.uva.nl [145.18.40.181]) by balder.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39172C9A81 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:32 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (a82-95-102-36.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.95.102.36]) (authenticated bits=0) by pony.ic.uva.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n74IlPuq008500 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:47:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6faad9f00908041045pe783debub3a6201a9215a13e@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Spam-Score: undef - spam scanning disabled X-CanIt-Geo: ip=82.95.102.36; country=NL; region=07; city=Amsterdam; latitude=52.3500; longitude=4.9167; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=52.3500,4.9167&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: auth (inherits from default) X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 145.18.40.181 X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:52088 Archived-At: --===============1882133191== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-521505705 --Apple-Mail-6-521505705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Mojca for your answer and suggestion. There surely is something with my typescripts that makes them happy under mkii and very unhappy under mkiv. Switching them out of the way at least brings typesetting in LM back. However, I am attached to my use of Lucida and Mathtimes (both from Y&Y) and I would very much like to continue using them. Do you have a pointer with what to start? Would you give changing texnansi for 8r a good chance, for a first try? Or is more heavy surgery on my typefiles needed? I was never very good with typefiles and I fear very much I can start over all again for mkiv. For the regular postscript fonts like NewCenturySchoolbook etc. I will we be happy to use the TeX Gyre files for these. I guess they are already somewhere in my system. Would you please point me to a relevant starting point for the necessary incantations? For some dark reason I always seem to get lost when searching the ContextWiki for a specific topic. Hans van der Meer On 4 aug 2009, at 19:45, Mojca Miklavec wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 19:17, Hans van der Meer wrote: >> The files requested are here, zipped together. I am working happily >> with >> them for quite some time. Could it be they are outdated? > > Yes, it's quite possible. I don't have the fonts to test, but a few > possible relevant remarks: > > 1.) Try not to use that typescript and check if it still breaks > > 2.) Even if your typescripts are broken, there must be a bug > somewhere: luatex should not hang even if you feed it with junk; even > if you fix the typescripts, try to find the reason for that behaviour > > 3.) You use Lucida math; I would be surprised if it still works (I > would bet it doesn't, but I might be wrong.) > > 4.) It seems that the run breaks in type-psc (not 100% sure) > > 5.) [encoding=8r] ??? That's not even supposed to work in MKIV (unless > I'm wrong). Usually it gets ignored (and luatex just reads afm and pfb > files), but I'm not sure how exactly tfm reading works (if it works at > all inside typescripts). > > 6.) If you don't like TeX Gyre and think that using the old PostScript > fonts are still needed, it might make sense to revise your typescript > and make an optional officially unsupported (but public) typescript > that others could use as well (not sure if that would mean including > it in core or not). > > Mojca > ___________________________________________________________________________________ > If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an > entry to the Wiki! > > maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context > webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net > archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ > wiki : http://contextgarden.net > ___________________________________________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-6-521505705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Mojca for = your answer and suggestion. There surely is something with my = typescripts that makes them happy under mkii and very unhappy under = mkiv. Switching them out of the way at least brings typesetting in LM = back. 

However, I am = attached to my use of Lucida and Mathtimes (both from Y&Y) and I = would very much like to continue using them. Do you have a pointer with = what to start? Would you give changing texnansi for 8r a good chance, = for a first try? Or is more heavy surgery on my typefiles needed? I was = never very good with typefiles and I fear very much I can start over all = again for mkiv. 

For the regular = postscript fonts like NewCenturySchoolbook etc. I will we be happy to = use the TeX Gyre files for these. I guess they are already somewhere in = my system. Would you please point me to a relevant starting point for = the necessary incantations? For some dark reason I always seem to get = lost when searching the ContextWiki for a specific = topic.

Hans van der = Meer

On 4 aug 2009, = at 19:45, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On = Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 19:17, Hans van der Meer wrote:
The files requested are here, zipped together. I am = working happily with
them for = quite some time. Could it be they are outdated?

Yes, = it's quite possible. I don't have the fonts to test, but a = few
possible relevant remarks:

1.) Try not to use that = typescript and check if it still breaks

2.) Even if your = typescripts are broken, there must be a bug
somewhere: luatex should = not hang even if you feed it with junk; even
if you fix the = typescripts, try to find the reason for that behaviour

3.) You = use Lucida math; I would be surprised if it still works (I
would bet = it doesn't, but I might be wrong.)

4.) It seems that the run = breaks in type-psc (not 100% sure)

5.) [encoding=3D8r] ??? That's = not even supposed to work in MKIV (unless
I'm wrong). Usually it gets = ignored (and luatex just reads afm and pfb
files), but I'm not sure = how exactly tfm reading works (if it works at
all inside = typescripts).

6.) If you don't like TeX Gyre and think that using = the old PostScript
fonts are still needed, it might make sense to = revise your typescript
and make an optional officially unsupported = (but public) typescript
that others could use as well (not sure if = that would mean including
it in core or = not).

Mojca
____________________________________________________= _______________________________
If your question is of interest to = others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : = ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/= mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
webpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net
archive =  : https://foundry.s= upelec.fr/projects/contextrev/
wiki     : http://contextgarden.net
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