From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Msuck: nntp://news.gmane.io/gmane.comp.tex.context/40152 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Hans Hagen Newsgroups: gmane.comp.tex.context Subject: Re: new version luatex / mkiv Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:06:45 +0200 Message-ID: <4801F755.7010205@wxs.nl> References: <48012E01.28680.2AAF86E@wwl.musensturm.de> Reply-To: mailing list for ConTeXt users NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208088596 28413 80.91.229.12 (13 Apr 2008 12:09:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:09:56 +0000 (UTC) To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Original-X-From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Sun Apr 13 14:10:31 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl ([131.211.172.88] helo=ronja.ntg.nl) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jl11q-0005os-Mz for gctc-ntg-context-518@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:09:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBD931FC44; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:09:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 28349-06-22; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:08:29 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.vet.uu.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BBB1FB95; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:08:28 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E7D1FB77 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:08:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from ronja.ntg.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.ntg.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 29155-03-13 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:07:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail.pragma-ade.net (dsl-083-247-100-017.solcon.nl [83.247.100.17]) by ronja.ntg.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC681FBEF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:07:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from [10.100.1.100] (unverified [10.100.1.100]) by controller-1 (SurgeMail 3.7b8) with ESMTP id 12726 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:07:18 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) In-Reply-To: <48012E01.28680.2AAF86E@wwl.musensturm.de> X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-274017400 X-Authenticated-User: hagen@controller-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl X-BeenThere: ntg-context@ntg.nl X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: mailing list for ConTeXt users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Errors-To: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ntg.nl Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.tex.context:40152 Archived-At: Wolfgang Werners-Lucchini wrote: > On 12 Apr 2008 at 12:00, ntg-context-request@ntg.nl wrote: > > Hallo Taco, > >> Real API documentation will be provided once I am past the "alpha" >> release stage. At the moment, I do not trust the API enough to >> expose it to anything except controlled environments (lua mplib, >> newmpost) >> >>>> Isn't mplib a dll under windows? >> It is possible to build the unix version as a .so because support >> for that comes from autofoo automatically, but that is not yet >> officially supported: debugging dynamic libraries is harder than >> debugging static code. > > On the other side, it is very easy to replace a dll by a new version, > if the interface stays stable. sure, but it also introduced unneeded mails on support lists of users who mix up things; we'd probably end up with the same situation as kpse ... mplib234.dll and so, which does not improve things either > If there is more than one program, which is using mplib, you have to > update all theses programs, if you make some mplib changes. indeed, but contrary to tex livem where all binaries are updated in sync, for moving targets like luatex we want to be sure that things match; disk space is cheap, and telling user to download 'this' and 'that' and put 'such' and 'so' in locations 'here' and 'there' is more trouble than let them just download one binary etc > But I think that a dll could very much boost the metapost usage. It > would than be very easy to write third party software. maybe, but that is independent of being used in luatex and mpost itself; as taco mentioned, there it will be staticaly linked, just as lua and its libs Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________