ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby]
>
> - index sorting takes place in mkiv
> - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context

Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been
thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no
fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, &
preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, &c.).

So how to best go about this?  I'm downloading the current minimals
(or should I use the .zips at
<http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm>?); what can I cut out?

--Joel
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Hans Hagen]

Joel C. Salomon wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>> luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby]
>>
>> - index sorting takes place in mkiv
>> - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context
> 
> Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been
> thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no
> fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, &
> preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, &c.).
> 
> So how to best go about this?  I'm downloading the current minimals
> (or should I use the .zips at
> <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm>?); what can I cut out?

use the minimals from the garden .. the zips will go away (apart from 
the cont-* zips)

one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for 
luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need

i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of 
lm is tex gyre open type


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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
> Joel C. Salomon wrote:
>  > On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>  >> luatex + context mkiv is indeed independent [of Ruby]
>  >>
>  >> - index sorting takes place in mkiv
>  >> - job control is done with mtxrun/mtx-context
>  >
>  > Now that I've been told the idea is at least possible, I've been
>  > thinking about how to generate a micro-minimal mkiv distribution: no
>  > fonts except the LM set, no engines except luaTeX, no kpathsea, &
>  > preferably no external dependencies (perl, ruby, &c.).
>  >
>  > So how to best go about this?  I'm downloading the current minimals
>  > (or should I use the .zips at
>  > <http://www.pragma-ade.nl/download-1.htm>?); what can I cut out?
>
>  use the minimals from the garden .. the zips will go away (apart from
>  the cont-* zips)
>
>  one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for
>  luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need
>
>  i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of
>  lm is tex gyre open type

There are many other OpenType fonts that get fetched by default as
well. And maybe the whole bin/common can be left out in that case
(maybe windows still needs some libraries).

So there is still some space that could be saved.

Mojca
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>  one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for
>  luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need

Any clues for how to go about this?

>  i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of
>  lm is tex gyre open type

I wasn't being dogmatic about cutting out all other fonts; just wanted
to avoid the old TeX-style pfb/vfb/&c. messes.  LM+Gyre is fine.

What I have in mind is a small package with SciTE & the
ultra-minimals, with a launcher like the portableapps.com programs
have that will set the appropriate environment variables.  Include
SciTE or Notepad++ (with a stripped-down set of configuration files,
perhaps; just enough for ConTeXt/lua/mp) and Sumatra PDF Portable, and
you've got a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting
environment on a USB stick.

--Joel
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>  There are many other OpenType fonts that get fetched by default as
>  well. And maybe the whole bin/common can be left out in that case
>  (maybe windows still needs some libraries).
>
>  So there is still some space that could be saved.

See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's
complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm
trying to minimize.

--Joel
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[luigi scarso]

>  See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's
>  complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm
>  trying to minimize.
A bit off-topic:
mayb we can also think a context-live iso img.

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Joel C. Salomon wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>  >  one option is to write a dedicated fetch script, load the minimals for
>  >  luatex use only (is an option) and then look at the files you need
>
>  Any clues for how to go about this?

There are two options:
1.) take a look at first-setup.sh (really stupid script); you can call
mtx-update with "--engine=luatex" and then you won't get almost any
tfm/enc/map files; you still get pfb files as they are needed for
math; and you get quite some helvetica/times enc/map/pfb files since
px & tx math fonts need them (needed for gyre) - this will go away
once gyre math is ready; it could be optimized, but I consider trying
to fix virtual fonts to use gyre instead of urw fonts a loss of time
since it's soon going to be obsolete rather soon anyway

2.) you can write your own set of rsync calls, like:

rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net'/minimals/current/fonts/new/
minimals/current/fonts/common/' texmf-fonts
rsync -av rsync://contextgarden.net'/minimals/current/bin/context/linux
minimals/current/bin/luatex/linux/' texmf-linux

>
>  >  i wonder if it's worth the trouble because all you get extra on top of
>  >  lm is tex gyre open type
>
>  I wasn't being dogmatic about cutting out all other fonts; just wanted
>  to avoid the old TeX-style pfb/vfb/&c. messes.  LM+Gyre is fine.
>
>  What I have in mind is a small package with SciTE & the
>  ultra-minimals, with a launcher like the portableapps.com programs
>  have that will set the appropriate environment variables.  Include
>  SciTE or Notepad++ (with a stripped-down set of configuration files,
>  perhaps; just enough for ConTeXt/lua/mp) and Sumatra PDF Portable, and
>  you've got a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting
>  environment on a USB stick.

If you're willing to work on it, just tell me what exactly you need (I
can put different stuff on the garden).

See also:
   http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-installer/src/
you can then start from there.

Mojca
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
> >  See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's
>  >  complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm
>  >  trying to minimize.
>  A bit off-topic:
>  mayb we can also think a context-live iso img.

I have already done it once (perl and ruby added to the CD, and
formats generated), and one could be prepared at/for the conference.
However, I have no idea how sensible the formats are (if you prepare a
live CD with slightly different versions of pdfTeX for different
platforms - probably that's not going to work?) And luatex should then
put its cache into temp.

Mojca

PS: but the main problem with CD is that you cannot update it, so it
probably gets old before you even manage to burn it
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[luigi scarso]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:32 PM, luigi scarso wrote:
>  > >  See my reply to Hans (about five minutes before this message); it's
>  >  >  complexity of installation and options, not disc usage, that I'm
>  >  >  trying to minimize.
>  >  A bit off-topic:
>  >  mayb we can also think a context-live iso img.
>
>  I have already done it once (perl and ruby added to the CD, and
>  formats generated), and one could be prepared at/for the conference.
>  However, I have no idea how sensible the formats are (if you prepare a
>  live CD with slightly different versions of pdfTeX for different
>  platforms - probably that's not going to work?) And luatex should then
>  put its cache into temp.
What about an image to run with a virtual machine ?

>
>  Mojca
>
>  PS: but the main problem with CD is that you cannot update it, so it
>  probably gets old before you even manage to burn it
Are you sure ?
pdftex is frozen (almost), .
I have a production with a context 4 years old.
Context (in some...contexts)  stay pretty young.

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Martin Schröder]

2008/4/11, luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com>:
> What about an image to run with a virtual machine ?

Much better.

Best
   Martin
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Any clues for how to go about this?
>
> There are two options:
> 1.) take a look at first-setup.sh (really stupid script); you can call
> mtx-update with "--engine=luatex"

As opposed to "--engine=all"?  Sounds good so far.  But...

> you still get pfb files as they are needed for math; and you get quite
> some helvetica/times enc/map/pfb files since px & tx math fonts need
> them (needed for gyre) - this will go away once gyre math is ready;

I suppose that a "legacy-free" TeX will have to wait a bit...

Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType
math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on
tug.org) in mkiv?

> 2.) you can write your own set of rsync calls, like:
<snip>
> See also:
>   http://minimals.contextgarden.net/setup/context-installer/src/
> you can then start from there.

Looking into it.

> > What I have in mind is a small package with …
> > a complete, truly stand-alone, modern typesetting
> > environment on a USB stick.
>
> If you're willing to work on it, just tell me what exactly you need (I
> can put different stuff on the garden).

Can't promise a lot of time, but it's something I need so I'll work on it.

--Joel
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Hans Hagen]

Joel C. Salomon wrote:

> Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType
> math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on
> tug.org) in mkiv?

cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math 
and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be 
supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but 
someoneelse may see it as a challenge)

H

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Joel C. Salomon]

On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>  > Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType
>  > math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on
>  > tug.org) in mkiv?
>
>  cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math
>  and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be
>  supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but
>  someoneelse may see it as a challenge)

So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX?

--Joel
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Hans Hagen]

Joel C. Salomon wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>>  > Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType
>>  > math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on
>>  > tug.org) in mkiv?
>>
>>  cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math
>>  and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be
>>  supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but
>>  someoneelse may see it as a challenge)
> 
> So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX?

quite probably not

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals (was re: Perl/Ruby dependency)

[Taco Hoekwater]

Hans Hagen wrote:
> Joel C. Salomon wrote:
>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
>>>  > Slight tangent: Is there any support for using any of the OpenType
>>>  > math fonts (I know of Cambria Math, STIX, and Asana Math—this last on
>>>  > tug.org) in mkiv?
>>>
>>>  cambria ... probably in the near future (as tex gyre will also have math
>>>  and), since stix is type 1 and spread over many fonts, it will not be
>>>  supported (that is: i will not make the typescripts for pdftex, but
>>>  someoneelse may see it as a challenge)
>> So will Stix be supported in mkiv or ConTeXt+XeTeX?
> 
> quite probably not

You can read that as:

   It depends on whether the released version of the Stix fonts will
   be packaged in a predictable manner.

It should either follow the cambria math example (otf, for mkiv) or
the cm/ams example (pfb, for mkii) to make it work in context.
 From the beta program so far, neither seems to be likely to happen,
but we will have to wait and see (some more).


Best wishes,
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

>> What about an image to run with a virtual machine ?
>
> Much better.

But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to
create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though.

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[luigi scarso]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Patrick Gundlach <patrick@gundla.ch> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>> What about an image to run with a virtual machine ?
>>
>> Much better.
>
> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to
> create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though.

What about this
http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hi,

>> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to
>> create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though.

> What about this
> http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder

Not sure what rpath really is, but I can't see where it could help. I
thought about creating a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop vm with TeX
installed. Installation is not the hard part, maintainig it is. 

But this might get off-topic!?!?

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[luigi scarso]

> But this might get off-topic!?!?
yes, better stop here

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Hans Hagen]

Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>>> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to
>>> create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though.

so much?

>> What about this
>> http://www.rpath.com/rbuilder
> 
> Not sure what rpath really is, but I can't see where it could help. I
> thought about creating a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop vm with TeX
> installed. Installation is not the hard part, maintainig it is. 

indeed it involves some long term maintainance, esp once users start 
depending on it, but the idea of being able to run from say a memory 
stick has some appeal

Hans

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Patrick Gundlach]

Hello Hans,

>>>> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to
>>>> create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though.
>
> so much?

With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is that
there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only the
regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre
installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far to
go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with this
quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space. Without java,
this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm (vmware based) takes
about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware hacks. So this is the
smallest part.

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Hans Hagen]

Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> Hello Hans,
> 
>>>>> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image is not hard to
>>>>> create, but it will take something like 2 gig. Nice idea, though.
>> so much?
> 
> With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is that
> there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only the
> regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre
> installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far to
> go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with this
> quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space. Without java,
> this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm (vmware based) takes
> about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware hacks. So this is the
> smallest part.

aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ?

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Martin Schröder]

2008/5/25 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
> aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ?

Yes, but we want a standard debian-like system for making system
updates easier. There have been efforts to create TeX-Linuxes; I
remember a talk at a recent BachoTeX...

Best
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Johan Sandblom]

How about Morphix?

http://www.morphix.org

I made a disk for another purpose about a year ago, it is based on
debian, and I don't think the system itself was more than some 100 Mb

Johan


2008/5/25 Martin Schröder <martin@oneiros.de>:
> 2008/5/25 Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl>:
>> aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ?
>
> Yes, but we want a standard debian-like system for making system
> updates easier. There have been efforts to create TeX-Linuxes; I
> remember a talk at a recent BachoTeX...
>
> Best
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[John Culleton]

On Sunday 25 May 2008 05:04:22 pm Hans Hagen wrote:
> Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> > Hello Hans,
> >
> >>>>> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image
> >>>>> is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig.
> >>>>> Nice idea, though.
> >>
> >> so much?
> >
> > With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is
> > that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only
> > the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre
> > installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far
> > to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with
> > this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space.
> > Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm
> > (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware
> > hacks. So this is the smallest part.
>
> aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ?
>
> Hans

Slackware allows you to pick and choose which software you install. 
And a CDR variant, Slax, will run from a mini-cdr.  There are other 
diminutive Linuxes. 

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Siep Kroonenberg]

On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 10:56:22PM -0400, John Culleton wrote:
> On Sunday 25 May 2008 05:04:22 pm Hans Hagen wrote:
> > Patrick Gundlach wrote:
> > > Hello Hans,
> > >
> > >>>>> But also much bigger. Having an ubuntu/context (vmware) image
> > >>>>> is not hard to create, but it will take something like 2 gig.
> > >>>>> Nice idea, though.
> > >>
> > >> so much?
> > >
> > > With a lot of effort one could cut it down a bit. The problem is
> > > that there is no way to get a minimal ubuntu/gnome desktop, only
> > > the regular one with all kinds of software (open office etc.) pre
> > > installed. You can remove this software, but I don't know how far
> > > to go. It takes some time experimenting. I've played around with
> > > this quite a bit and I always get about 2 gig of disk space.
> > > Without java, this could be 1.5 or so. Installing such a vm
> > > (vmware based) takes about 10-20 minutes, including all vmware
> > > hacks. So this is the smallest part.

The Ubuntu alternate cd lets you do a text-only install. Afterwords,
you can add whatever you want.

> > aren't there those tiny linuxes of some 50 meg ?
> >
> > Hans
> 
> Slackware allows you to pick and choose which software you install. 
> And a CDR variant, Slax, will run from a mini-cdr.  There are other 
> diminutive Linuxes. 

Debian is another distro which lets you pick and choose during
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

Guys,

why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future LuaTeX will
ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web server is already
there, print server and post script interpreter not far away from
being done, fonts are there, editor support may come from Jonathan
Kew, international support is there, login mechanism is probably also
hidden somewhere already [reading from zip files and from web etc.]
...)

The only serious concern being security, but for those who do not care
too much ...

Mojca
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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Gour]

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>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> writes:

Hmm,
Mojca> Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future
Mojca> LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web
Mojca> server is already there, print server and post script interpreter
Mojca> not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may
Mojca> come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login
Mojca> mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from
Mojca> zip files and from web etc.]  ...)

Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in
some big box deep under the earth's surface?


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[Hans Hagen]

Gour wrote:
>>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> Hmm,
> Mojca> Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future
> Mojca> LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web
> Mojca> server is already there, print server and post script interpreter

mtxrun --script server ... in order to know this, read between the lines 
on this list and see what gets added to the main context zip

> Mojca> not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may
> Mojca> come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login

one of the projects funded by TUG is a cross platform environment 
derived from texshop (on osx) .. in order to know about this ... attend 
user groups

> Mojca> mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from
> Mojca> zip files and from web etc.]  ...)

reading from web and zip is mentioned in the mk document and articles

> Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in
> some big box deep under the earth's surface?

you can try to read our minds; mojca is very good in that -)

Hans

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Mojca Miklavec]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gour wrote:
>>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec writes:
>
> Hmm,
> Mojca> Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future
> Mojca> LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web
> Mojca> server is already there, print server and post script interpreter
> Mojca> not far away from being done, fonts are there, editor support may
> Mojca> come from Jonathan Kew, international support is there, login
> Mojca> mechanism is probably also hidden somewhere already [reading from
> Mojca> zip files and from web etc.]  ...)
>
> Where can one find more about the above stuff or everything is sealed in
> some big box deep under the earth's surface?

It was a joke ... I hope.

But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :)

Mojca
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[Gour]

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>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:

Hans> you can try to read our minds; mojca is very good in that -)

Heh, this feature God marked as 'female-only' ;)


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[Hans Hagen]

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

> But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :)

indeed, there many secrets will be revealed

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Hans Hagen]

Gour wrote:
>>>>>> "Hans" == Hans Hagen <pragma@wxs.nl> writes:
> 
> Hans> you can try to read our minds; mojca is very good in that -)
> 
> Heh, this feature God marked as 'female-only' ;)

ah, now i know why she had wings on that video ... an angel

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[luigi scarso]

On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mojca Miklavec
<mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gour wrote:
>>>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec writes:
>>
>> Hmm,
>> Mojca> Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future
>> Mojca> LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web
>> Mojca> server is already there, print server and post script interpreter
>> Mojca> not far away from being done,

OPERATING SYSTEM
Linux

WEB SERVER
http://www.keplerproject.org/

PRINT SERVER
http://www.cups.org/

POSTSCRIPT INTERPRETER
http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/

FONTS
http://fontforge.sourceforge.net

EDITOR
emacs, scite, notepad++, vim,.....

LANGUAGE
ruby, python, perl, lua, cweb, pascal-web,..

The problem in maintenance.

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Re: ConTeXt ultraminimals

[Hans Hagen]

luigi scarso wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mojca Miklavec
> <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Gour wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec writes:
>>> Hmm,
>>> Mojca> Guys, why don't you wait a bit more. In a not-so-distant-future
>>> Mojca> LuaTeX will ship with the whole operating system anyway. (Web
>>> Mojca> server is already there, print server and post script interpreter
>>> Mojca> not far away from being done,
> 
> OPERATING SYSTEM
> Linux
> 
> WEB SERVER
> http://www.keplerproject.org/
> 
> PRINT SERVER
> http://www.cups.org/
> 
> POSTSCRIPT INTERPRETER
> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/
> 
> FONTS
> http://fontforge.sourceforge.net
> 
> EDITOR
> emacs, scite, notepad++, vim,.....
> 
> LANGUAGE
> ruby, python, perl, lua, cweb, pascal-web,..
> 
> The problem in maintenance.

indeed, which is why we want to keep luatex as minimal a possible; there 
is now support for sockets so one can do fancy things but the main 
reason for sockets being there is not that one can then build webservers 
(side effect) but because sockets are nowadays as fundamental as files

Hans

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[Gour]

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>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> writes:

Mojca> But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :)

Well, I'm considering to visit for a few days...let's see.

Last week-end we were in Logarska Dolina (na Rinki).


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[Gour]

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>>>>> "Mojca" == Mojca Miklavec <mojca.miklavec.lists@gmail.com> writes:

Mojca> But you can always consult about details in Bohinj :)

Hey, what is this:

Sunday	(24.08.)  Hard work all day (& night) long

Not even a free Sunday?

That's heretic ;)


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